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  • The top 25 college football defensive units over the past decade

    I have only been really paying attention to college football since 1997, so the time span I am looking at is between 1997 and 2011, so a little more than a decade.

    This is what I could think of in terms of the best defensive units I have seen in that time span. Overall defensive depth, talent level and on the field performance was taken into consideration. And yes if a team stock pile four or five future NFL players at one position, yes that was a major factor in the rankings as well.


    Enjoy.

    *Ongoing editing ;o) Now updated to the top 65






    1) 2001

    DE J. McDougle
    DT V. Wilfork, M. Waters
    DT W. Joseph, O. Harris
    DE A. Williams, T. Carroll
    OLB DJ Williams, L. Williams
    ILB J. Vilma
    OLB H. Clark, R. McIntosh
    CB P. Buchanon, A. Rolle
    CB M .Rumph, K. Jennings
    SS E. Reed, M. Sikes
    FS S. Taylor





    2) 2007

    DE C. Matthews, K. Moore
    DT S. Ellis
    DT F. Moala, A. Spicer
    DE L. Jackson, E. Griffen
    OLB B. Cushing, T. Williams
    ILB R. Maualuga, C. Gailippo
    OLB K. Rivers, K. Maiava, M. Morgan
    CB C. Harris, K. Thomas
    CB T. Thomas, J. Pinkard
    SS K. Ellison, W. Harris
    FS T. Mays, McCurtis





    3) 1997

    DE J. Hall
    DT J. Williams
    DT R. Renes
    DE G. Steele
    OLB D. Jones
    ILB S. Sword
    OLB I. Gold
    CB C. Woodson
    CB A. Weathers, J. Whitely
    SS T. Hendricks
    FS M .Ray





    4) 2011

    DE J. Williams, Q. Dial
    NT Josh Chapman
    DE D. Square, E. Stinson
    OLB C. Upshaw
    ILB D. Hightower, N. Johnson
    ILB CJ Mosley, T. Depriest
    OLB J. Harris, A. Hubbard
    CB Dre Kirkpatrick
    CB D. Milliner, D. Menzie
    SS M. Barron
    FS R. Lester








    5) 2004

    DE M. Spears, M. Oliver, T. Johnson
    DT K. Williams, C. Wroten
    DT G. Dorsey, M. Favorite
    DE C. Pittman, T. Jackson
    OLB A. Highsmith
    ILB L. Turner, L. Sanders
    OLB C. Vaughn
    CB C. Webster, J. Zenon
    CB T. Daniels, Prude Jr, C. Jackson
    SS L .Landry, C. Taylor
    FS J. Daniels, C. Steltz





    6) 2011

    DE K. Adams, B. Mingo
    DT B. Logan, J. Downs
    DT M. Brockers, A. Johnson
    DE S. Montgomery, L. Edwards
    OLB R. Baker
    ILB K. Minter
    OLB S. Francois
    CB M. Claiborne, R. Brooks
    CB T. Mathieu, T. Simon
    SS E. Reid, C. Loston
    FS B. Taylor





    7) 1998

    DE R. Bailey
    DT Collins
    DT Pickett
    DE J. Cotton
    OLB N. Diggs
    ILB Katzenmoyer
    OLB J. Cooper
    CB Winfield, D. Ross
    CB Plummer, N. Clements
    SS Berry
    FS D. Moore





    8 ) 2002

    DE W. Smith, S. Fraser, Kudla
    DT D. Scott, Pitcock
    DT T. Anderson, M. Green
    DE K. Peterson, J. Richardson
    OLB B. Carpenter, Hawk
    ILB Wihelm, M. D'Andrea
    OLB C. Grant, R. Reynolds
    CB C. Gamble
    CB D. Fox, Underwood
    SS Doss, T. Everett
    FS W. Allen, Nickey, Salley





    9) 1997

    DE D. Warren, Seymour
    DT C. Simon
    DT L. Smith, J. Johnson
    DE G. Spiers, J. Reynolds
    OLB Polley
    ILB S. Cowart, B. Jennings
    OLB B. Allen
    CB S. Rolle
    CB T. Cody, C. Thomas
    SS D. Gibson
    FS D. Jackson, S. Key





    10) 1999

    DE C. Brown
    DT A. Adams
    DT J. Kennedy
    DE J. Kurpeikis, M. Haynes
    OLB L. Arrington
    ILB B. Short
    OLB M. Morrison
    CB D. Macklin
    CB B. Jue
    SS J. Boyd
    FS D. Fox





    11) 2009

    DE M. Dareus
    DT T. Cody, Chapman
    DE Deaderick, L. Washington
    OLB C. Reamer
    ILB R. McClain
    ILB N. Johnson, D. Hightower
    OLB E. Anders, Upshaw
    CB K. Jackson, M. Johnson
    CB J. Arenas
    SS R. Green
    FS J Woodall





    12) 1999

    DE Overstreet, O. Hand
    DT J. Henderson, R. Moore
    DT D. Walker, A. Haynesworth
    DE S. Ellis
    OLB R. Thompson, K. Whiteside
    ILB D. Stevenson, E. Moore
    OLB E. Westmoreland
    CB A. Lott
    CB D. Goodrich
    SS T. Gaines
    FS D. Grant





    13) 2006

    DE Harvey, Estopinan
    DT M .Thomas, J. Cohen
    DT R. McDonald, S. Harris
    DE J. Moss, J. Cunningham
    OLB B. Spikes, R. Stamper
    ILB B. Siler
    OLB E. Everett
    CB R. Lewis
    CB R. Smith
    SS R. Nelson
    FS T. Joiner, K. Jackson





    14) 1997

    DE G. Winstrom
    DT J. Peters
    DT J. Wiltz, C. Warren
    DE M. Rucker, Vanden Bosch
    OLB T. Ortiz
    ILB J. Foreman
    OLB C. Polk
    CB R. Brown
    CB E. Swiney, J. Walker
    SS M .Brown
    FS E. Warfield, B. Harrison





    15) 2008

    DE Gibson, L. Wilson
    DT Denlinger, R. Rose
    DT Larimore, Worthington
    DE Heyward
    OLB M. Freeman, B. Rolle
    ILB Laurinaitis, A. Spitler
    OLB R. Homan, C. Terry, Moeller
    CB M. Jenkins, Chekwa
    CB D. Washington, D. Torrence
    SS K. Coleman, J. Hines
    FS A. Russell, J. O'Neal





    16) 2002

    DE K. Udeze
    DT S. Cody, M. Wright
    DT M. Patterson
    DE O. Nazel, F. Rucker
    OLB M. Grootegoed, D. Sartz
    ILB L. Tatupu
    OLB M. Simmons, O. Lua
    CB J. Wyatt
    CB M. Allmond, R. Nunn
    SS T. Polamalu
    FS D. Bing, J. Leach





    17) 1997

    DE T. Beauchamp, T. Bullard
    DT E. Chester, B. Gurley
    DT R. McGrew, A. Mitchell
    DE D. Chambers, W. Cohens
    OLB J. Kearse
    ILB M. Peterson, T. Sims
    OLB Rutledge
    CB F. Weary
    CB E. Williams
    SS T. George, R. Graddy
    FS T. Brown, M. Manuel





    18 ) 2003

    DE J. Ratliff
    DT S. Johnson
    DT D. McNeil
    DE R. Torbor
    OLB K. Dansby, A. Williams
    ILB D. Thomas
    OLB T. Williams
    CB C. Rogers,
    CB M. Pitts, G. Williams
    SS W. Herring
    FS J. Rosegreen





    19) 1999

    DE C. Moore
    DT C. Bradley
    DT D. Pugh
    DE J. Engelberger
    OLB B. Taylor, M. Hawkes
    ILB J. Houseright
    OLB J. Smith
    CB I. Charlton
    CB A. Midget
    SS R. Whitaker, C. Bird
    FS W. Pile





    20) 2009

    DE B. Turner
    DT N. Suh
    DT J. Crick, Steinkuhler
    DE P. Allen
    OLB P. Dillard
    ILB W. Compton
    OLB S. Fisher
    CB Amukamara
    CB Dennard, Gomes
    SS Asante
    FS O'Hanlon, Hagg






    21) 2002

    DE D. Cody
    DT D. Dvoracek
    DT T. Harris, K. Klein
    DE J. Wilkerson
    OLB T. Lehman
    ILB L .Mitchell
    OLB C. Ingram
    CB D. Strait, A. Perkins
    CB A. Woolfolk
    SS B. Pool
    FS B. Everage





    22) 2004

    DE K. Wimbley
    DT B. Bunkley
    DT Fluellen
    DE C. Davis
    OLB E. Sims
    ILB B. Davis
    OLB AJ. Nicholson, Timmons
    CB A. Cromartie, L. Smith
    CB B. McFadden, T. Carter
    SS J. Carter
    FS P. Watkins





    23) 2005

    DE D. Tapp O. Martin
    DT J. Lewis
    DT C. Powell
    DE C. Ellis Burchette
    OLB X. Adibi
    ILB V. Hall
    OLB J. Anderson
    CB J. Williams, V. Harris
    CB B. Flowers
    SS A. Rouse, D. Parker
    FS J. Hamilton





    24) 2013

    DE M. Edwards
    DT T. Jernigan, McDaniel
    DT A. McCloud
    DE Casher, Hicks
    OLB Telvin Smith, Northrup
    ILB Christian Jones
    OLB N. Andrews, Terrance Smith
    CB L. Joyner, R. Darby
    CB PJ Williams, Waisome
    SS J. Ramsey
    FS T. Brooks





    25) 1998

    DE D. Howard
    DT D. McIntosh
    DT A. Rowe
    DE J. Clements, C. Johnson
    OLB M. Simoneau
    ILB J. Kelly
    OLB T. Ochs, B. Leber
    CB G. Neasman
    CB D. Carter, J. Butler
    SS J. Cooper
    FS L. Chapman, C. Scott





    Just missed the cut...................

    26) *Penn State 2005
    DE Hali
    DT Alford
    DT J. Shaw, E. Johnson
    DE J. Gaines
    OLB Connor, Hull
    ILB P. Posluszny, T. Shaw, S. Lee
    OLB T. Shaw, Sales
    CB A. Zemaitis, J. King
    CB A. Phillips
    SS C. Lowry, Scirrotto
    FS McCready, T. Davis


    27) *Michigan Wolverines 2006
    DE Woodley, T. Jamison
    DT Branch
    DT T. Taylor
    DE Biggs, B. Graham
    OLB S. Crable, C. Graham
    ILB D. Harris
    OLB P. Burgess
    CB L. Hall
    CB M. Trent
    SS Adams, R. Mundy
    FS Englemon, Barringer 



    28 ) *Florida Gators 2000
    DE A. Brown, B. McCray
    DT G. Warren
    DT D. Chambers, B. Gurley
    DE LaFavor, T Bullard
    OLB M. Nattiel, T. Carroll
    ILB A. Davis
    OLB B. Hardmon
    CB L. Sheppard
    CB B. Alexander, R. Cromartie
    SS M. Manuel, L. Norwood
    FS T. Johnson, D. Dixon




    29) *Iowa Hawkeyes 2003
    DE M. Roth, H. Hodges
    DT Clauss
    DT J. Babineaux
    DE Iwebema, Mattision
    OLB E. Miles, Humpal
    ILB A. Hodge, Klinkenborg
    OLB C. Greenway
    CB J. Johnson
    CB A. Allen
    SS B. Sanders, S. Considine
    FS Paschal, Merrick


    30) *Oklahoma 2007
    DE English
    DT G. McCoy
    DT D. Granger, A. Taylor
    DE J. Beal, F. Alexander
    OLB L. Baker
    ILB C. Lofton
    OLB D. Pleasant, T. Lewis
    CB R. Smith, L. Holmes
    CB M. Walker, B. Jackson, Franks
    SS N. Harris, Q. Carter
    FS DJ. Wofle


    31) *Alabama 2005
    DE W. Gilberry, E. Knight
    DT B. Greenwood
    DT J. Clark, D. Lee
    DE M. Anderson
    OLB D. Ryans
    ILB F. Roach, P. Hall
    OLB J. Simpson
    CB S. Castille, R. Robinson
    CB C. Peprah, A. Madison
    SS R. Harper
    FS J. Dukes, R. Johnson


    32) *Texas 2009
    DE S. Kindle
    DT L. Houston
    DT Randall
    DE Acho
    OLB K. Robinson
    ILB Muckelroy
    OLB J. Norton
    CB Ch. Brown, Cu. Brown
    CB A. Williams, D. Beasley
    SS E. Thomas
    FS Gideon, N. Brewster


    33) *Texas 2000
    DE Redding
    DT Hampton
    DT S. Rogers, M. Tubbs
    DE Pittman
    OLB T. Jones
    ILB D. Lewis
    OLB Rawls
    CB Q. Jammer, N. Vasher
    CB R. Babers, A. Brooks
    SS J. Walker
    FS C. Brown, D. Pearson


    34) *Michigan State 1999
    DE R. Smith
    DT D. Bernard
    DT D. Thomas
    DE J. Hendricks
    OLB J. Peterson
    ILB TJ. Turner
    OLB J. Thornhill
    CB A. Cambell, B. Nelson
    CB R. Hill, C. Henry
    SS T. Wright
    FS R. Newsome


    35) *Illinois 2007
    DE D. Walker, Pilcher
    DT C. Norwell
    DT Lindquist
    DE W. Davis
    OLB A. Steele
    ILB J. Leman
    OLB B. Miller
    CB V. Davis
    CB A. Ball, D. Hicks
    SS K. Mitchell
    FS J. Sanders, J. Harrison


    36) *Alabama 1999
    DE King
    DT C. Griffin
    DT R. Grimes K. Smith
    DE Moorhead
    OLB M. Merritt
    ILB S. Rasheed
    OLB D. Gilbert
    CB T. Dixon
    CB M. Lewis
    SS Spencer
    FS R. Myles


    37) *Texas A&M 1998
    DE R. Bernard
    DT R. Edwards
    DE Flemons
    OLB C. Anthony
    ILB D. Nguyen
    ILB J. Glenn
    OLB W. Holdman
    CB J. Webster
    CB S. Curry
    SS M. Jameson
    FS R. Coady


    38 ) *Georgia 1998
    DE D. Evans
    DT Seymour
    DT Stroud,
    DE Luckie
    OLB W. Witherspoon, O. Grant
    ILB K. Bell
    OLB B. Bailey
    CB C. Bailey
    CB J. Henderson
    SS J. Phillips
    FS Chambers


    39) *Miss State 2000
    DE E. Wyms
    DT W. Blade
    DT D. Davis, T. Golliday
    DE C. Stephens
    OLB J. Clark
    ILB M. Haggan
    OLB R. Knight
    CB F. Smoot
    CB S. Byrdsong, E. Clinton
    SS P. Prather
    FS J. Morgan


    40) *Iowa 2008
    DE A. Clayborn
    DT M. King, Klug
    DT M. Kroul
    DE C. Ballard, B. Binns
    OLB AJ. Edds
    ILB P. Angerer, J. Coleman
    OLB J. Hunter
    CB B. Fletcher
    CB A. Spievey
    SS T. Sash
    FS B. Greenwood


    41) *Wake Forest 2006
    DE M. Robinson
    DT B. Robinson
    DT J. Smith
    DE J. Thompson
    OLB A. Curry
    ILB Abbate
    OLB S .Arnoux
    CB A. Smith, B. Ghee
    CB R. Swanson
    SS P. Ghee, C. Vaughn
    FS Gattis


    42) *South Florida 2007
    DE G. Selvie
    DT T. McClain
    DT A. Harris
    DE Buie
    OLB T. McKenzie
    ILB B. Moffitt
    OLB Momperimer
    CB M. Jenkins
    CB T. Williams, J. Murphy
    SS N. Allen, L. Gachette
    FS C. Williams


    43) *Kansas State 2001
    DE C. Coffman
    DT T. Reese
    DT R. Berry
    DE Shull, B. Hickman
    OLB B. Leber
    ILB T. Pierce, T. Sims
    OLB J. Buhl
    CB T. Newman
    CB D. Faggins
    SS J. McGraw
    FS R. Washington, M. Proctor



    44) *UNC 2009
    DE R. Quinn, Q. Coples
    DT M. Austin
    DT C. Thomas, T. Powell
    DE EJ. Wilson, M. McAdoo
    OLB B. Carter
    ILB Q. Sturdivant
    OLB Z. Brown
    CB K. Burney
    CB C. Brown
    SS M. Williams, M. Merletti
    FS D. Williams, D. Searcy


    45) *UCLA 2001
    DE K. Coleman
    DT R. Leisle
    DT Fletcher
    DE D. Ball, M. Ball
    OLB B. Chillar
    ILB R. Thomas, M. Reese
    OLB S. Havner, R. Nece
    CB M. Ware, M. Cassell
    CB R. Manning, J. Hunter
    SS M. Anderson
    FS B. Emanuel


    46) *LSU 1999
    DE J. Green
    DT K. Allen
    DT J. Mitchell
    DE K. Mitchell
    OLB B. James
    ILB T. Faulk
    OLB C. Smith
    CB M. Roman
    CB F. Booker, D. Hookfin
    SS C. LeBlanc
    FS R. Clark, D. James


    47) *West Virginia 1997
    DE Kevin Landolt
    DT Henry Slay
    DT John Thornton
    DE Greg Robinette, Ryan Price
    OLB Gary Stills
    ILB Steve Lippe
    OLB Damon Cogdell
    CB Charles Fisher
    CB Perlo Bastien, Gary Tompkins
    SS Barrett Green
    FS Nate Terry


    48 ) *Miami Hurricanes 2006
    DE B. Atkins, B. Pata
    DT A. Dixon
    DT K. Brown
    DE C. Campbell. V. Franklin
    OLB J. Beason, C. McCarthy
    ILB G. Cook
    OLB T. Gooden, R. Davis
    CB B. Johnson
    CB G. Sharpe, R. Phillips
    SS B. Meriweather, A. Reddick
    FS K. Phillips, W. Cooper


    49) *NC State 2005
    DE M. Williams, L. Wright
    DT D. Pressley, A. Cash
    DT J. McCargo, D. Tyler
    DE M. Lawson, W. Young
    OLB S. Tulloch
    ILB O. Hoyte
    OLB P. Lowery
    CB AJ Davis
    CB M. Hudson
    SS G. Heath
    FS L. Rumph, D. Morgan


    50) *Notre Dame 2003
    DE Tuck
    DT C. Hilliard, D. Landri
    DT T. Laws
    DE V. Abiamiri, D. Stephenson
    OLB M. Goolsby
    ILB B. Hoyte
    OLB D. Curry, C. Watson
    CB A. Wooden
    CB V. Duff
    SS Zbikowski
    FS G. Earl


    51) *Arizona 1998
    DE Tafoya, K. Fraser
    DT D. Greer
    DT I. Haroon
    DE M. Robertson
    OLB D. Polk
    ILB M. Bell
    OLB Sprotte A. Pierce
    CB C. McAllister
    CB K. Hunter
    SS G. Payne
    FS R. Jones


    52) *Louisville 2004
    DE E. Dumervil
    DT Okoye, Graddy
    DT M. Stanley
    DE M. Jones
    OLB B. Johnson
    ILB R. McCune, L. Myles
    OLB M. Jackson, J. Jackerson
    CB R. Council, A. Sharp
    CB W. Gaay, G. Smart
    SS K. Rhodes
    FS B. Sharp


    53) *Purdue 2003
    DE S. Phillips
    DT C. Terrill
    DT B. Villarreal
    DE R. Edwards, E. Bright
    OLB L. Johnson
    ILB Koutouvides, G. Hall
    OLB G. Gardner, S. Keglar
    CB J. Reeves
    CB A. Rogers
    SS B. Pollard
    FS S. Schweigert


    54) *UNC 2001
    DE J. Peppers
    DT R. Sims
    DT E. Davis
    DE J. Evans, J. Dumas
    OLB D. Thornton
    ILB Q. Monk
    OLB S. Williams
    CB E. Hood
    CB M. Waddell
    SS D. Reid
    FS D. Coleman


    55) *TCU 2007
    DE T. Blake, J. Hughes
    DT Christopher
    DT J. Vess
    DE C. Ortiz
    OLB J. Phillips
    ILB D. Hawthorne
    OLB R. Henson, D. Washington
    CB R. Priest
    CB N. Sanders
    SS S. Hodge
    FS D. Roach, B. Bonner


    56) *Washington State 2002
    DE I. Brown
    DT R. Long
    DT Tupai
    DE Acholonu
    OLB K. Sperry
    ILB W. Derting
    OLB P. Bennett
    CB M. Trufant
    CB K. Paymah, J. David
    SS E. Coleman
    FS H. Abdullah


    57) *Wisconsin 2000
    DE Welsh
    DT W. Bryant
    DT Sprague
    DE E. James
    OLB R. Knight
    ILB N. Griesen
    OLB J. Mack
    CB J. Fletcher
    CB M. Echols, BJ Tucker
    SS B. Brown
    FS J. Doering


    58 ) *Cal 2006
    DE Ma'afala
    DT Mebane
    DT T. Alualu
    DE Tafisi
    OLB A. Felder
    ILB D. Bishop
    OLB W. Williams, Z. Follett
    CB D. Hughes
    CB T. Mixon
    SS B. Hicks
    FS T. DeCoud


    59) *Tennessee 2008
    DE R. Ayers
    DT D. Williams
    DT D. Bolden
    DE W. Brown, B. Martin
    OLB R. McCoy
    ILB Myers-White
    OLB L. Thompson
    CB D. Willingham
    CB M. Johnson
    SS E. Berry
    FS D. Morley, A. Gaines


    60) *Georgia Tech 2006
    DE M. Johnson
    DT J. Anoai, D. Robertson
    DT D. Richard, V. Walker
    DE A. Oliver
    OLB K. Hall
    ILB P. Wheeler
    OLB G. Guyton
    CB K. Scott, A. Roberson
    CB Word-Daniels
    SS J. Lewis
    FS D. Jones


    61) *Virginia 2005
    DE C. Canty
    DT A. Hoffman
    DE C. Long
    OLB Blackstock
    ILB A. Brooks, J. Cooper
    ILB K. Parham, J. Dias
    OLB C. Sintim
    CB M .Hamilton
    CB T. Franklin
    SS M. Weeks
    FS J. Hardy


    62) *Utah 2008
    DE P. Kruger
    DT Talamaivao
    DT Filiaga
    DE K. Misi
    OLB Sylvester
    ILB M. Wright
    OLB Fotu
    CB S. Smith
    CB B. McCain, R, Stanford
    SS J. Dale
    FS R. Johnson



    63) *Kansas 2005
    DE C. Keith
    DT C. Blakesley
    DT J. McClinton
    DE J. Wheeler
    OLB J. Mortensen, B. Perkins
    ILB N. Reid
    OLB M. Rivera, J. Holt
    CB A. Talib
    CB C. Gordon
    SS J. Kemp
    FS D. Stuckey, J. Thornton


    64) *Oregon State 2006
    DE D. Smith
    DT Silvira
    DT W. Vea
    DE Van Orsow
    OLB D. Doggett
    ILB A. Darlin, K. Kristick
    OLB LaRocque
    CB B. Hughes, J. Dockery
    CB K. Lewis
    SS S. Piscitelli
    FS Afalava


    65) *Oregon 2007
    DE N. Reed
    DT R. Harris
    DT Linehan
    DE Tukuafu
    OLB Paysinger, Matthews
    ILB Bacon
    OLB Tuitele
    CB Byrd, Glasper
    CB Thurmond
    SS Chung
    FS T. Ward




    *Note the rosters are as exact as I could get, it is quite hard however to find a up to date and accurate roster from the late 90's
    Last edited by Ozzy; 08-06-2014, 10:54 AM.

  • #2
    I think you missed the boat with Iowa.

    2008 defense
    DE- Clayborn
    DT- King (Klug backing up)
    DT- Kroul
    DE- Ballard (Binns backing up)
    OLB- Edds
    MLB- Angerer
    OLB- Hunter
    CB- Fletcher
    CB- Spievey
    FS- Greenwood
    SS- Sash

    Overall, the DL and Secondary are much better than the 05 team. 05 was probably better at LB, but only because Hodge and Greenway were machines. But Edd and Angerer aren't too far behind. On the 08 defense, there are already 4 draft picks, and likely Clayborn, Ballard, Binns, Sash, and probably Hunter will all get drafted, the first 3 in the first 3 rounds I'm sure. Granted, King and Kroul weren't NFL prospects really, but as college DTs they were ridiculous despite being tiny.

    Overall, the 08 defense > 05 defense, imo.

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    • #3
      Overall, the DL and Secondary are much better than the 05 team. 05 was probably better at LB, but only because Hodge and Greenway were machines. But Edd and Angerer aren't too far behind. On the 08 defense, there are already 4 draft picks, and likely Clayborn, Ballard, Binns, Sash, and probably Hunter will all get drafted, the first 3 in the first 3 rounds I'm sure. Granted, King and Kroul weren't NFL prospects really, but as college DTs they were ridiculous despite being tiny.

      Overall, the 08 defense > 05 defense, imo.
      I disagree, because Greenway and Hodge are worlds ahead of those linebackers on Iowa in 08, it is not even close. As for the corners, depends on how much you like Spievey, I really like Allen and Johnson, both not great pro players but fine college players. Could also argue Greenwood and Sash were not what they are now back in 08. Also could argue the depth in 05 at defensive back is better as well. The defensive line is clearly better however again one could argue Clayborn was not the player he is now back then, and Binns did not even see the field did he? Still though Greenway trumps them all, he alone is better than all three of those linebackers combined. Or at least that is my opinion. If one thinks Spievey is Deion Sanders like and Angerer is a pro bowl inside linebacker then maybe, but my opinion on those two clearly is not as high as yours. Also hard to have the 08 team when potentially the 09 defensive line and or this up coming 10 defensive line is far better than the 08 line would ever dream of being.

      Yes it is debatable however, but again Greenway and Hodge are the closers in my book for the debate.

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      • #4
        Ohio State's National Championship Defense nowhere to be found...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ozzy View Post
          I disagree, because Greenway and Hodge are worlds ahead of those linebackers on Iowa in 08, it is not even close. As for the corners, depends on how much you like Spievey, I really like Allen and Johnson, both not great pro players but fine college players. Could also argue Greenwood and Sash were not what they are now back in 08. Also could argue the depth in 05 at defensive back is better as well. The defensive line is clearly better however again one could argue Clayborn was not the player he is now back then, and Binns did not even see the field did he? Still though Greenway trumps them all, he alone is better than all three of those linebackers combined. Or at least that is my opinion. If one thinks Spievey is Deion Sanders like and Angerer is a pro bowl inside linebacker then maybe, but my opinion on those two clearly is not as high as yours. Also hard to have the 08 team when potentially the 09 defensive line and or this up coming 10 defensive line is far better than the 08 line would ever dream of being.

          Yes it is debatable however, but again Greenway and Hodge are the closers in my book for the debate.
          That's fair. Like I said, Hodge and Greenway are easily better. But that Edds and Angerer aren't bad either, but yes there is a large gap between the two pairs. As for the DL, it's easily better in 08 than 05. Iwebema was talented, but never produced up to his talent level. Clayborn in 08 was at least equal to Iwebema. Mattison was pretty productive, but no where near as talented as Ballard. That was Ballards 1st year starting and 2nd ever playing DE, and while he probably wasn't as productive, he was still very good. And 08 King/Kroul were obviously better than 05.

          I would agree on depth in the secondary in 08, but first Shada shouldn't count for anything because he was worthless. Also, if we are going to say Clayborn and Sash (will get to him) weren't the players in 08 that they are now, then you can't say Godfrey and Fletcher were good depth because neither really saw the field in 05, to my recollection. So, you really can't say in 05 that they would be good backups knowing what we know now. If you do, then you have to say the same for Clayborn and Sash.

          As for Sash, his frosh year in 08 may not have been as good as 09, but he is still better than either safety in 05 by a lot. I believe he led the Big XI in INTs in 08, but don't know his tackle numbers off the top of my head. The one thing I will say is that in 08 Greenwood was pretty terrible. To the corners, both pairs were very good for Iowa. However, I'll take Spievey over the other 3. He was probably our best CB in 08, and while not lockdown like 09, he was still well above average, but was overshadowed by a "career" year by Fletcher.

          Again, it's just my opinion, but I'd take the 08 D every time based on talent and production. 05 probably wasn't as talented, but was super productive, whereas 08 has a lot of talent and wasn't super productive (yet) but just above average.

          Either way, I'm enjoying your lists. You're doing a great job, and it makes the offseason a little better. :)

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          • #6
            wonderbredd24 Ohio State's National Championship Defense nowhere to be found...
            Very good point, however I do not include any defenses that over lap one another. Here are those two rosters, or at least the ones I could find.


            2005
            DE V. Gholston
            DT Q. Pitcock
            DT M. Green, D. Patterson
            DE M. Kudla, J. Richardson
            OLB B. Carpenter, M. Freeman
            ILB A. Schlegel, J. Laurinaitis, M. D'Andrea
            OLB AJ Hawk, C. Terry
            CB A. Youboty, T. Everett
            CB M. Jenkins, D. Washington
            SS D. Whitner, A. Russell
            FS N. Salley


            2002
            DE W. Smith, S. Fraser, Kudla
            DT D. Scott, Pitcock
            DT Pickett, T. Anderson, M. Green
            DE K. Peterson, J. Richardson
            OLB B. Carpenter, Hawk
            ILB Wihelm, M. D'Andrea
            OLB C. Grant, R. Reynolds
            CB C. Gamble
            CB D. Fox, Underwood
            SS Doss, T. Everett
            FS W. Allen, Nickey, Salley


            The 2002 team has a far superior defensive line with Smith, Pickett and Peterson being on the roster so point for them. The 2005 team has much better linebackers as a group, the 02 team was good but not great and Carpenter was not the player he was later, neither was Hawk, that 05 team Hawk was a monster and Carpenter was as well, much less they have James on the team also, Schegel and Freeman. Then it comes down to the defensive backs, I love Doss and really loved will Allen, and Gamble was a big time play maker. However the 05 team Jenkins is a flat out stud and was forever, Washington was very talented and Youboty was extremely talented. I would also say Whitner was a better safety than Doss in some ways, and Salley was not as good as Will Allen but still solid. However I guess the playmaking ability of Gamble was never matched in 05. So I will agree with you and switch out the 05 defense to the 02 defense because of the defensive backs and the defensive line.

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            • #7
              Pickett was a Ram in 2002. We had Smith/Anderson/Peterson/Scott as our D-Line with Simon Fraser as the main backup at DE and David Thompson the main backup at DT. 2002 DLine was definitely superior but as a unit and in terms of overall talent I agree that 2005 was a better defense. They didn't win the championship that year but it wasn't the defense's fault that the offense got off to a slow start.

              This was our 2005 defense, so loaded:

              DE-David Patterson
              DT-Marcus Green
              DT-Quinn Pitcock
              DE-Mike Kudla
              WLB-AJ Hawk
              MLB-Anthony Schlegel
              SLB-Bobby Carpenter
              CB-Ashton Youboty
              CB-Tyler Everett
              FS-Nate Salley
              SS-Donte Whitner
              NB-Malcolm Jenkins

              not to mention Vernon Gholston who redshirted that year b/c of injury, and James Laurinaitis who was a true freshman and the #4 linebacker.

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              • #8
                keylime_5
                Pickett was a Ram in 2002. We had Smith/Anderson/Peterson/Scott as our D-Line with Simon Fraser as the main backup at DE and David Thompson the main backup at DT. 2002 DLine was definitely superior but as a unit and in terms of overall talent I agree that 2005 was a better defense. They didn't win the championship that year but it wasn't the defense's fault that the offense got off to a slow start.

                This was our 2005 defense, so loaded:

                DE-David Patterson
                DT-Marcus Green
                DT-Quinn Pitcock
                DE-Mike Kudla
                WLB-AJ Hawk
                MLB-Anthony Schlegel
                SLB-Bobby Carpenter
                CB-Ashton Youboty
                CB-Tyler Everett
                FS-Nate Salley
                SS-Donte Whitner
                NB-Malcolm Jenkins

                not to mention Vernon Gholston who redshirted that year b/c of injury, and James Laurinaitis who was a true freshman and the #4 linebacker.
                I know very tough call, however I view Will Smith as a far better lineman than Gholston and Tim Anderson, Fraser and Scott were beasts in the middle, Pitcock was good but not great.

                It is a tough call, and since the rosters over lap I cannot have both. Still the playmaking ability of Gamble and the fine player in Will Allen tip it for me.

                Very tough call though.

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                • #9
                  2006 Michigan should be on the list (which is way too biased towards the present, btw). Woodley and Hall were finalists for pretty much every award, and the defense had 2 first team All-Americans + 2 second team All-Americans. Allowed just 43 rushing YPG (lowest by any team since 1985) on 1.9 YPC. One of the most successful in the NFL too.

                  DE: LaMarr Woodley
                  DT: Terrence Taylor
                  DT: Alan Branch
                  DE: Rondell Biggs
                  WILL: Prescott Burgess
                  MIKE: David Harris
                  SAM: Shawn Crable
                  CB: Leon Hall
                  CB: Morgan Trent
                  SS: Jamar Adams
                  FS: Brandent Engleman
                  Last edited by Michigan; 06-22-2010, 12:57 PM.
                  I'm a state.

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                  • #10
                    I'd put 2006 Michigan at the very least over 2007 Illinois.

                    '06 Michigan

                    #15 Scoring D
                    #1 Rush D
                    #10 Total D
                    #4 sacks
                    #13 tackles for loss

                    DT-Alan Branch, Terrance Taylor
                    DE-LaMarr Woodley, Rondell Biggs
                    DE-Brandon Graham, Tim Jamison
                    OLB-Shawn Crable, Prescott Burgess
                    MLB-David Harris
                    CB-Leon Hall, Morgan Trent
                    S-Jamar Adams, Willis Barringer

                    2 first rounders, 3 second round picks, 1 third round pick, 10 players currently on NFL rosters.


                    '07 Illinois

                    #13 sacks

                    You already have Illinois' roster up. '06 Michigan finished top 20 in 5 defensive categories, including the #1 rush D in the nation. Illinois was able to finish top 20 in one category, sacks, and '06 Michigan finished higher and had more. How many of the guys from Illinois are even on NFL rosters? '07 Illinois was barely a mediocre defense that year, let alone one of the top 25 defensive units over the past decade.



                    Originally posted by Jakey
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                    • #11
                      that miami group is just ******* dirty
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                      • #12
                        Michigan

                        2006 Michigan should be on the list (which is way too biased towards the present, btw). Woodley and Hall were finalists for pretty much every award, and the defense had 2 first team All-Americans + 2 second team All-Americans. Allowed just 43 rushing YPG (lowest by any team since 1985) on 1.9 YPC. One of the most successful in the NFL too.

                        DE: LaMarr Woodley
                        DT: Terrence Taylor
                        DT: Alan Branch
                        DE: Rondell Biggs
                        WILL: Prescott Burgess
                        MIKE: David Harris
                        SAM: Shawn Crable
                        CB: Leon Hall
                        CB: Morgan Trent
                        SS: Jamar Adams
                        FS: Brandent Engleman
                        First off if you can read, I said I was looking between the time of 1997 and 2009. Why would I try to rank a defense I never even saw play? No offense but I did not even watch college football till 1997 so clearly a list based on all eternity is not possible for me to do at least.

                        Good point Michigan could be on there, you say they are better than the 07 Illinois team which I disagree with. The defensive backs on Illinois are far better, V. Davis was a stud, Mitchell was a great college safety and Alan Ball I was a huge fan of. The Michigan safeties I was never a fan of, Engleman was nothing special and Adams never reached his potential. The linebackers yes of course, they are just great on Michigan, but I feel a lot of people underrate Steele as a linebacker and Leman was an absolutely outstanding college player. The defensive line, outside of Woodley is even I feel, Illinois had few absolute stars but a lot of good solid depth, but yes Woodley shifts it for them. End result in my opinion Illinois had better depth in the secondary and on the defensive line but do not have the stars Michigan had.

                        But yes I will have to think about it, because they are possibly better than that South Florida defense.



                        ironman4579 I'd put 2006 Michigan at the very least over 2007 Illinois.

                        '06 Michigan

                        #15 Scoring D
                        #1 Rush D
                        #10 Total D
                        #4 sacks
                        #13 tackles for loss

                        DT-Alan Branch, Terrance Taylor
                        DE-LaMarr Woodley, Rondell Biggs
                        DE-Brandon Graham, Tim Jamison
                        OLB-Shawn Crable, Prescott Burgess
                        MLB-David Harris
                        CB-Leon Hall, Morgan Trent
                        S-Jamar Adams, Willis Barringer

                        2 first rounders, 3 second round picks, 1 third round pick, 10 players currently on NFL rosters.


                        '07 Illinois

                        #13 sacks

                        You already have Illinois' roster up. '06 Michigan finished top 20 in 5 defensive categories, including the #1 rush D in the nation. Illinois was able to finish top 20 in one category, sacks, and '06 Michigan finished higher and had more. How many of the guys from Illinois are even on NFL rosters? '07 Illinois was barely a mediocre defense that year, let alone one of the top 25 defensive units over the past decade.
                        How is Illinois defense last year relevant to this discussion? That makes no sense. As for statistics, I never look at them, or rarely do, because one can alter them when looking at who they play, play weak competition of course you will have a great defense.

                        And if one wants to play the statistic game, then why did this great Michigan defense get dominated against Ohio State and USC the last two games of the season. In both games gave up season high in points with over 30 each game? That might by why they did not instantly come to mind when thinking of great defenses off the top of my head. Also screams to the issue of competition played, thus I do not look at statistics with such a list, much less the hell it would be to find those statistics ;o)


                        I went on players and yes one can really argue Michigan had better overall players. I was really high on Mitchell and Ball though in college, and I feel their defensive backs again on Illinois are better. But yes if you just look at pro players that is a great defense. I will think about including them on the list.
                        Last edited by Ozzy; 06-22-2010, 01:23 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ozzy View Post
                          First off if you can read, I said I was looking between the time of 1997 and 2009. Why would I try to rank a defense I never even saw play? No offense but I did not even watch college football till 1997 so clearly a list based on all eternity is not possible for me to do at least.
                          I'm saying it's too biased towards the 2007-2009 period. Nebraska's 09 defense is definitely not the best they've had since '97, Texas '09 defense is a fringe top 25 at best, and South Florida and Illinois (WHAT!?) should not be on there at all.
                          Last edited by Michigan; 06-22-2010, 01:30 PM.
                          I'm a state.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ozzy View Post
                            First off if you can read, I said I was looking between the time of 1997 and 2009. Why would I try to rank a defense I never even saw play? No offense but I did not even watch college football till 1997 so clearly a list based on all eternity is not possible for me to do at least.

                            Good point Michigan could be on there, you say they are better than the 07 Illinois team which I disagree with. The defensive backs on Illinois are far better, V. Davis was a stud, Mitchell was a great college safety and Alan Ball I was a huge fan of. The Michigan safeties I was never a fan of, Engleman was nothing special and Adams never reached his potential. The linebackers yes of course, they are just great on Michigan, but I feel a lot of people underrate Steele as a linebacker and Leman was an absolutely outstanding college player. The defensive line, outside of Woodley is even I feel, Illinois had few absolute stars but a lot of good solid depth, but yes Woodley shifts it for them. End result in my opinion Illinois had better depth in the secondary and on the defensive line but do not have the stars Michigan had.

                            But yes I will have to think about it, because they are possibly better than that South Florida defense.



                            How is Illinois defense last year relevant to this discussion? That makes no sense. As for statistics, I never look at them, or rarely do, because one can alter them when looking at who they play, play weak competition of course you will have a great defense.

                            And if one wants to play the statistic game, then why did this great Michigan defense get dominated against Ohio State and USC the last two games of the season. In both games gave up season high in points with over 30 each game? That might by why they did not instantly come to mind when thinking of great defenses off the top of my head. Also screams to the issue of competition played, thus I do not look at statistics with such a list, much less the hell it would be to find those statistics ;o)


                            I went on players and yes one can really argue Michigan had better overall players. I was really high on Mitchell and Ball though in college, and I feel their defensive backs again on Illinois are better. But yes if you just look at pro players that is a great defense. I will think about including them on the list.

                            I never said a word about last years Illinois team, unless last year was '07. Briinging up Illinois is completely relevant because you have them on a list of the top 25 best defenses of the last decade. And I'm sorry, there's no way they belong on there. Like, at all.

                            One player got dominated against USC. Morgan Trent. He was the weak point of that defense. If we're playing the "got dominated" game, '07 Illinois gave up 40 to Missouri, 49 to USC.

                            I would completely disagree with Illinois secondary being that much better.Leon Hall was, at worst, equal with Davis, and likely better because he was actually willing to work hard. Technically he was far superior, though david might have had the edge in pure athleticism. Jamar Adams was underrated. Michigan has a big edge in LB, and I'll take Woodley and Branch over anyone on Illinois defense. Throwing in freshman Brandon Graham makes it a no brainer. If you didn't want to put Michigan on there, fine. I realize it's difficult to rank teams. But there's no way that Illinois team should be on there. I'm not even sure I'd put that '06 Florida on the list over '06 Michigan.



                            Originally posted by Jakey
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                            i am literally gonna kick a baby to death!

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                            • #15
                              how is 1997, 1998, 1999 in the last decade?

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