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  • #46
    You know you'll have to redo this next year.
    Possible, UNC does have the talent to make it interesting but need to achieve and reach that potential and not choke it up like they did last year. They need to dominate, especially considering they have a lack luster quarterback leading the way on offense.

    However overall, doubt any defense this years can get too high on lists like these. Have some good defenses but nothing great, will have to wait and see who develops and what kind of talent comes in.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Ozzy View Post
      Yes we all know Sniper every Michigan player is the best player in the world ever, simple as that right?
      Not sure where I said that. If you truly believe that, you don't read half of my Michigan-related posts.

      Yes Hall has a better work ethic than Davis, sadly Davis is so superior athletically between the two they are about equal, regardless of the superior technique Hall has or the superior work ethic, Davis's athletic ability can trump that in many cases.
      Great. Davis is also more athletic than 99 percent of the corners in the NFL. Should we anoint him the best CB, too? I'd rather have a guy who can, you know, actually cover than a guy who's athletic and not that good in coverage. Vontae's a better athlete, whoopdie-*******-do. Hall was and is a better football player.

      Or talk about some other teams besides Michigan once in awhile. Any opinions on that sweet Tennessee defense or that old school Va Tech defense from 1999?
      Maybe if you'd write factually accurate information once in a blue moon, I wouldn't correct you on it. However, the fact that you legitimately believed that the '07 Illinois defense, a defense that was middle-of-the-pack in the Big 10 and below average nationally was better than the '06 Michigan defense, just because you like a player better because he jumps farther and runs faster, is laughable.

      Also, I talk about other teams all the time. Stop ******* stereotyping me for a minute and look around. ZOMGZ SNIPER LIKES MICHIGAN SO HE ONLY TALKS ABOUT THEM LOLZZZZZZ. No, look around, then talk.

      If you want other critiques on your article, Ohio State could easily field three or four defenses on this. You underrated '09 Nebraska and overrated '06 Florida.

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      • #48
        Maybe if you'd write factually accurate information once in a blue moon, I wouldn't correct you on it. However, the fact that you legitimately believed that the '07 Illinois defense, a defense that was middle-of-the-pack in the Big 10 and below average nationally was better than the '06 Michigan defense, just because you like a player better because he jumps farther and runs faster, is laughable.

        Also, I talk about other teams all the time. Stop ******* stereotyping me for a minute and look around. ZOMGZ SNIPER LIKES MICHIGAN SO HE ONLY TALKS ABOUT THEM LOLZZZZZZ. No, look around, then talk.

        If you want other critiques on your article, Ohio State could easily field three or four defenses on this. You underrated '09 Nebraska and overrated '06 Florida.
        I cleared up the Illinois issue rather clearly I believe. The V. Davis issue is totally different entirely.

        But yes if you want to pretend I did not correct myself on that Illinois defensive issue, that is fine.


        As for Nebraska and Florida, Nebraska I actually overrated and moved them down a little, I had them quite high originally. Still like them but the depth at linebacker is an issue and it is yet to be seen how great those defensive backs will become. Florida overrated? How, the fact that the defensive line was absolutely sick you did not like? Or the fact they had very fine linebacker play, or the fact they had Reggie Nelson who absolutely dominated at safety, much less got great performances out of corner Ryan Smith intercepting passes. That defensive line was outstanding though and one of the best and deepest I have seen. One could argue they are the best in this group, at least their ends are better than Nebraska's last year with Moss, Harvey and company.

        Explanation with statements is lovely and quite wonderful.


        Still waiting on the Va Tech and Tennessee defensive roster conversation, or any non standard defense conversation. I know some have watched other defenses outside of the obvious ones. Top to bottom conversation on all rosters is ideal but pick and choose conversation is a must I guess considering.....

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        • #49
          Blessed Big Ten Network, help filling the boring days of summer. Had a great game on last night between Alabama and Michigan. Two fine defenses.


          I am probably going to include this unit, amazing defense, I LOVED Rasheed at linebacker, loved his speed and quickness. Clearly having Griffin, a wonderful tackle ahead of him helped him big time keep blockers off of him and keep him free, because later in his career he was no where close to being as good as he was as a freshman. Merritt was a fast linebacker as well and that defensive line was very solid, especially with Moorhead, Griffin and King. That defensive backfield was the only weakness, Dixon was ok but played out of position, Spencer was a tough guy though but Lewis got beat a lot. They said that unit was ranked #2 nationally in run defense, again those are nice to see and hear but ultimately again I feel it comes down to players, so what if they were #2 nationally in rush defense, they get killed in the passing game then just like the Minnesota Vikings ;o) Need complete defense...

          1999 Alabama
          DE King
          DT C. Griffin
          DT R. Grimes K. Smith
          DE Moorhead
          OLB M. Merritt
          ILB S. Rasheed
          OLB D. Gilbert
          CB T. Dixon
          CB M. Lewis
          SS Spencer
          FS R. Myles




          Odd thing is, they might be deeper than the 07, they have a lot of the same players on the roster though. But the likes of Woodson clearly switches it to that old Michigan defense, how can it not. And Sword was a great linebacker and surprisingly I believe Gold and Jones played a lot even as young players on that older defense. Renes sure was a beast though, great player for them for a very long time. Hendricks was a fun player to watch as well, and Cato June and him were a great par. Oddly this defense got totally racked by Alexander the Great in that game, what a special running back he was!

          1999 Michigan
          DE Hall
          DT Renes
          DT J. Williams
          DE Frysinger, Rumishek
          OLB Gold, S. Orr
          ILB D. Jones, L. Foote
          OLB V. Hobson
          CB T. Howard
          CB Whitley
          SS T. Hendricks
          FS C. June
          Last edited by Ozzy; 06-24-2010, 10:02 AM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by GB12 View Post
            Yeah, he said it was a little more than a decade...
            I'm just being obnoxious

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Ozzy View Post
              As for Nebraska and Florida, Nebraska I actually overrated and moved them down a little, I had them quite high originally. Still like them but the depth at linebacker is an issue and it is yet to be seen how great those defensive backs will become.
              Nebraska had the second-lowest scoring defense since 2004 (sorry, cfbstats.com only goes back that far). They did it playing in a high-scoring conference and would have been better if they had an offense that could do anything.

              Virginia Tech averaged 31.8 points per game. They scored 16 vs. Nebraska.
              Texas Tech averaged 37 points per game. They scored 31 vs. Nebraska.
              Texas averaged 39.3 points per game. They scored 12 (!!!!) vs. Nebraska.
              Oklahoma averaged 31.1 points per game. They scored, um, yeah, 3, vs. Nebraska.
              Arizona averaged 27.4 points per game. Nebraska shut them out.

              Florida overrated? How, the fact that the defensive line was absolutely sick you did not like? Or the fact they had very fine linebacker play, or the fact they had Reggie Nelson who absolutely dominated at safety, much less got great performances out of corner Ryan Smith intercepting passes. That defensive line was outstanding though and one of the best and deepest I have seen. One could argue they are the best in this group, at least their ends are better than Nebraska's last year with Moss, Harvey and company.
              Florida was a very good defense. However, they ranked sixth in scoring D, 33rd in pass defense, fifth in rushing defense, and didn't play offenses that were as good as Nebraska's.

              Still waiting on the Va Tech and Tennessee defensive roster conversation, or any non standard defense conversation. I know some have watched other defenses outside of the obvious ones. Top to bottom conversation on all rosters is ideal but pick and choose conversation is a must I guess considering.....
              Tennessee's defense in the front four was silly good. Virginia Tech, well, to be honest, I lose VT defenses in the shuffle because they're so consistently good without big names.

              By the way, Reggie Nelson was the FS for Florida, not the SS.

              Oh, Wisconsin '01 defense. You were so nasty.

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              • #52
                Nebraska had the second-lowest scoring defense since 2004 (sorry, cfbstats.com only goes back that far). They did it playing in a high-scoring conference and would have been better if they had an offense that could do anything.

                Virginia Tech averaged 31.8 points per game. They scored 16 vs. Nebraska.
                Texas Tech averaged 37 points per game. They scored 31 vs. Nebraska.
                Texas averaged 39.3 points per game. They scored 12 (!!!!) vs. Nebraska.
                Oklahoma averaged 31.1 points per game. They scored, um, yeah, 3, vs. Nebraska.
                Arizona averaged 27.4 points per game. Nebraska shut them out.
                I guess again I am not a big stat guy, but yes they were extremely impressive, just the fact they carried the football team like that, because the offense was just awful but they still won games because of that great defense. So yeah maybe they could be moved back up where I had them before.


                Florida was a very good defense. However, they ranked sixth in scoring D, 33rd in pass defense, fifth in rushing defense, and didn't play offenses that were as good as Nebraska's.
                Again not a stat guy so I never looked at that. And it is debatable if those Big 12 offenses are that good, or Big 12 defenses are just that bad. SEC has some solid offensive teams from time to time, and much better offensive line talent usually. But just the linebackers alone make them get over Nebraska in terms of positional talent.


                Oh, Wisconsin '01 defense. You were so nasty.
                I guess I was mistaken, the defense with the ball hawk Fletcher on it was in 2000. Not sure Bryant or James were great players back then as they were later, but yes that defense was led by those outstanding corners. Not that deep but great corner play.


                I guess in 05 they were pretty good too, only freshman with Levy, Casillas, Ike and Langford but a great class and a pretty talented group. Dontez Sanders I just loved at linebacker. Remember a few years back these guy had a great group with these freshman but they did not do all that well during the season.
                DE J. Cooper, Shaughnessy
                DT Chapman
                DT Hayden
                DE Monty, Schofield
                OLB D. Sanders
                ILB Zalewski
                OLB Casillas, Levy
                CB Ikegwuonu
                CB B. Bell, Langford
                SS Stellmacher, White
                FS R. Rogers

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                • #53
                  The 05 Crimson Tide defense just missed the cut? If you measure how well they did at the next level, you have to consider them.

                  NFL starters in bold:

                  *Alabama 2005
                  DE W. Gilberry, E. Knight
                  DT B. Greenwood
                  DT J. Clark, D. Lee
                  DE M. Anderson
                  OLB D. Ryans
                  ILB F. Roach, P. Hall
                  OLB J. Simpson
                  CB S. Castille, R. Robinson
                  CB C. Peprah, A. Madison
                  SS R. Harper
                  FS J. Dukes, R. Johnson

                  DE Wallace Gilberry later led the SEC in TFLs, Mark Anderson led the NFL in sacks the next yr. as a Chicago Bear rookie, Demeco Ryans was the Defensive MVP with the Texans, & Roman Harper was doing very well with the Saints as a rookie safety until he tore his knee up, he's still trying to come back from that injury. Harper was also the Bama safety who saved the W vs. Tennessee in 05 with a bone-jarring tackle at the goal line to knock the ball out for a touchback.

                  Blessed Big Ten Network, help filling the boring days of summer. Had a great game on last night between Alabama and Michigan. Two fine defenses.
                  I remember that bowl game loss to Michigan in OT, the Wolverines had that unknown guy at QB named Tom Brady...... the 2 good defenses kind of cancelled one another out & it went into OT.
                  Last edited by LizardState; 06-25-2010, 05:29 PM.

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                  • #54
                    I think you're thinking of the 2002 ND defense, which should be given a helluva lot more credit that they're getting. When your team goes 10-3 and you can easily chalk up 8 of the wins to defense making plays, that's a hellified defense. If the offense had a freakin' clue that year, ND would have stayed in the NC hunt longer than they did.

                    The roster for the 2002 team was as follows:

                    Notre Dame 2002
                    DE J. Tuck
                    DT C. Hilliard
                    DT D. Campbell
                    DE K. Budinscak
                    OLB M. Goolsby*
                    ILB C. Watson
                    OLB D. Curry
                    CB S. Walton
                    CB V. Duff
                    SS G. Sapp
                    FS G. Earl

                    *Goolsby was hurt most of the season, so the other starting position varied.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by LizardState View Post
                      I remember that bowl game loss to Michigan in OT, the Wolverines had that unknown guy at QB named Tom Brady...... the 2 good defenses kind of cancelled one another out & it went into OT.
                      <3 David Terrell.

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                      • #56
                        LizardState The 05 Crimson Tide defense just missed the cut? If you measure how well they did at the next level, you have to consider them.

                        NFL starters in bold:

                        *Alabama 2005
                        DE W. Gilberry, E. Knight
                        DT B. Greenwood
                        DT J. Clark, D. Lee
                        DE M. Anderson
                        OLB D. Ryans
                        ILB F. Roach, P. Hall
                        OLB J. Simpson
                        CB S. Castille, R. Robinson
                        CB C. Peprah, A. Madison
                        SS R. Harper
                        FS J. Dukes, R. Johnson

                        DE Wallace Gilberry later led the SEC in TFLs, Mark Anderson led the NFL in sacks the next yr. as a Chicago Bear rookie, Demeco Ryans was the Defensive MVP with the Texans, & Roman Harper was doing very well with the Saints as a rookie safety until he tore his knee up, he's still trying to come back from that injury. Harper was also the Bama safety who saved the W vs. Tennessee in 05 with a bone-jarring tackle at the goal line to knock the ball out for a touchback.
                        I really like that defense, but so many good ones are ahead of them. But yes could argue it, I like them a lot more than most do because I loved Peprah as a defensive back, LOVED him and Castille I thought was outstanding as well. Prince Hall was lights out as a freshman that year also, too bad his career did not end like that. But yes it was an amazing defense but so was the 1999 defense where Griffin is better than any defensive lineman they had in 05 I feel. But yes they could get up higher but that defensive line is not at that level as some other groups.




                        JayP I think you're thinking of the 2002 ND defense, which should be given a helluva lot more credit that they're getting. When your team goes 10-3 and you can easily chalk up 8 of the wins to defense making plays, that's a hellified defense. If the offense had a freakin' clue that year, ND would have stayed in the NC hunt longer than they did.

                        The roster for the 2002 team was as follows:

                        Notre Dame 2002
                        DE J. Tuck
                        DT C. Hilliard
                        DT D. Campbell
                        DE K. Budinscak
                        OLB M. Goolsby*
                        ILB C. Watson
                        OLB D. Curry
                        CB S. Walton
                        CB V. Duff
                        SS G. Sapp
                        FS G. Earl

                        *Goolsby was hurt most of the season, so the other starting position varied.
                        No the 2003 had more depth and overall talent with Landri, Laws, Zbikowski, Abiamiri and Hoyte I feel. But yes that 2002 defense was good but could make the argument they looked like a flat out joke late in the season and in the bowl game. I never though guys like Sapp, Earl, Vuff or Walton lived up to their potential, none of them did. I thought it was a great defense as well and they were at times but not that good. It has more to do with the fact that they have had so many awful ones as of late, anything resembling solid is considered great or outstanding. But yes lack of production of these players at the next level speaks to their overall talent. They have a lot of decent players, very few elite outside of Tuck. But yes hopefully the Irish get back to their defensive ways but based on Kelly's history, I doubt that happens.

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                        • #57
                          Here is a tough one I found, the 2002 visus 2000 Ohio State defensive.


                          The 02 defense has the depth I think and overall talent, especially at linebacker, plus the defensive line was a lot more well polished. But the 2000 defense had great linebackers as well, Bullard and Cooper were both really good, And they have Clements, a great corner along with Derek Ross, Nickey and Doss. But the defensive line was the main weakness because those players were not proven yet. But the 2002 defense accomplished a lot more and Gamble was an absolute game changer.


                          2002 Ohio State
                          DE W. Smith, S. Fraser, Kudla
                          DT D. Scott, Pitcock
                          DT T. Anderson, M. Green
                          DE K. Peterson, J. Richardson
                          OLB B. Carpenter, Hawk
                          ILB Wihelm, M. D'Andrea
                          OLB C. Grant, R. Reynolds
                          CB C. Gamble
                          CB D. Fox, Underwood
                          SS Doss, T. Everett
                          FS W. Allen, Nickey, Salley



                          2000 Ohio State
                          DE K. Peterson
                          DT T. Anderson
                          DT M. Collins, M. Green
                          DE W. Smith
                          OLB C. Bullard
                          ILB Wilhelm, R. Reynolds
                          OLB J. Cooper, C. Grant
                          CB N. Clements
                          CB D. Ross
                          SS M. Doss
                          FS D. Nickey, W. Allen

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                          • #58
                            2000 defense kinda sucked. guys like wilhelm, doss, nickey, allen, smith, peterson, anderson, and grant were great in 2002 as upperclassmen. they were too young in 2000. No question that 2002 and 1998 were our two best defenses until 2005, 2008, and 2009. I'd rank them like this for this decade:

                            1-2002
                            1a-2005
                            3-2009
                            4-2008
                            5-2007
                            6-2003

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                            • #59
                              keylime_5 2000 defense kinda sucked. guys like wilhelm, doss, nickey, allen, smith, peterson, anderson, and grant were great in 2002 as upperclassmen. they were too young in 2000. No question that 2002 and 1998 were our two best defenses until 2005, 2008, and 2009. I'd rank them like this for this decade:

                              1-2002
                              1a-2005
                              3-2009
                              4-2008
                              5-2007
                              6-2003
                              I guess I might be incorrect, forgot that a few of my defenses on here go as far back as 1997, and in that time span the 1998 Ohio State defense was lights out, I personally do not remember a ton from that group but clearly they had quite a few talented players. Not sure if this is exact but this is what I could gather was there group.

                              DE R. Bailey
                              DT Collins
                              DT Pickett
                              DE Wayne
                              OLB Diggs
                              ILB Katzenmoyer
                              OLB J. Cooper
                              CB Winfield, D. Mitchell
                              CB Plummer
                              SS Berry
                              FS D. Moore


                              If that is correct? If so I will make the changes needed, clearly Cooper, Pickett and Bailey are over lapping players. But Winfield and Plummer, cannot get much better than them, and Berry was a stud safety.

                              Sorry for the mistake, not sure how I forgot them, if that is their legit roster they could be really high up there. I would put them over 2002 Ohio State because of the talent level, sure not exactly aware of the depth at all positions but just like the older Penn State and Michigan defenses, they had such star players hard to beat that top flight talent with even depth.

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                              • #60
                                I'd have a hard time putting any recent OSU defense ahead of their '02 defense. That defense was amazing and stepped up big. They were the only reason that the refs were able to hand the Buckeyes the NC.

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