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  • #16
    Originally posted by 504 to ATL View Post
    You have to remember how loaded programs like UGA, LSU, UF, AU, and Tenn are right now.

    Alabama might be able to move past teams like AU, and Tenn shortly but UGA, LSU, and UF from top to bottom have 10x more talent than Alabama has.
    Unless Alabama can win recruiting wars between UGA, LSU, and UF soon it will take a number of years for them to move ahead of those schools. Which I dont see happening soon because UF if I remember correctly is dominating college sports and will most likely only get richer in recruiting in the comming years.

    UGA's last class was stocked and this years is no different. LSU has arguablly the most talent in the nation maybe only behind USC, and LSU will contine to go to BCS bowls so recruiting will not die down for them either.


    In other words Alabama will not win an SEC title anytime soon nor go to a BCS bowl. Maybe 5 or more years from now but that is another story.

    if Bama moves past Ten and Auburn then they will be in the SEC championship game every other year (just like Ten and Aub).

    your post implies that UF, Geogria, and LSU is 10x's more talented than Auburn and Ten

    btw, Auburn beat Florida and Ten destroyed Georgia......

    neither Florida nor LSU has went undefeated....its something Auburn accomplishded a few years ago.....Auburn has been more consistent than Florida


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    • #17
      If you look at their record last year there were only 2 losses by which Bama lost by more than 8 and that was Florida at Florida and LSU at LSU. Both won BCS bowls including UF's national championship.

      There were also two really close losses - One to Arkansas by 1 in OT and one to Tennessee by 3.

      With the new top 10 recruiting classes and Saban coming in I can only see things improving drastically in about 2-3 years if not immediatley.

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      • #18
        Not this season...but in 2 years they will challenge for the SEC West and win 9-10 games.

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        • #19
          He'll have to go through LSU and Auburn first, so the answer to your question is NO.

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          • #20
            THe thing thats really gonna hurt him is having another powerhouse in the same state.

            At LSU he could get every big time player in the state if only because theres no other top tier school in the state. Louisiana has tons of high school talent so if you can keep it in state you'll build a monster.

            At Alabama he'll have to outrecruit Auburn, which is by no means easy, and it seems to me that the state has much less high school talent in a given year than his last job.

            I think a lot of people at Alabama are expecting a quick turn-around..but thats most likely not going to be the case. Hes a great recuiter but its going to take some time to build up that program again.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by TigerBait45 View Post
              THe thing thats really gonna hurt him is having another powerhouse in the same state.

              At LSU he could get every big time player in the state if only because theres no other top tier school in the state. Louisiana has tons of high school talent so if you can keep it in state you'll build a monster.

              At Alabama he'll have to outrecruit Auburn, which is by no means easy, and it seems to me that the state has much less high school talent in a given year than his last job.

              I think a lot of people at Alabama are expecting a quick turn-around..but thats most likely not going to be the case. Hes a great recuiter but its going to take some time to build up that program again.

              One reason for auburn's rise in recruiting in recent years was saban's departure from LSU. He owned south Alabama (Dothan Mobile etc.) and had considerable influence in the deep south.

              Word is, he's already put his roots back in down in South Alabama. Living in Hoover, alabama, I know that most of the guys around here were looking to play for Auburn until saban walked in.

              Mike Shula was a solid recruiter (a la Zook) but, he didn't have the ties and influence Saban has. I'd look for Auburn to suffer in in-state recruiting at Bama's expense in the near future.

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              • #22
                One reason for auburn's rise in recruiting in recent years was saban's departure from LSU. He owned south Alabama (Dothan Mobile etc.) and had considerable influence in the deep south.
                I don't know about that LSU's still been pulling talent out of Mobile even without Saban, got two guys from Mobile in last Feb's signing class.

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                • #23
                  I think they have a good chance of winning the SEC West

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                  • #24
                    I don't follow the SEC but it seems to me like there's enough talent in Florida and other southern states to go around. After all, players from down there are highly recruited by schools throughout the country and become playmakers at many schools besides those in the SEC.

                    Between the three Florida universities, Auburn, and LSU, they can still only take a certain number of guys. Even if Bama doesn't start getting the guys at the very top, they will still get many great prospects.

                    I think Saban's a jerk but he will have Bama back at a competitive level in two years. If he really does stay there, he'll have them contending in the SEC in 4 at the most.

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                    • #25
                      Yes. A well known coach at a university like Alabama with the tradition and fan support... It will be extremely hard for him to not turn them around.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by SouthernPride396 View Post
                        One reason for auburn's rise in recruiting in recent years was saban's departure from LSU. He owned south Alabama (Dothan Mobile etc.) and had considerable influence in the deep south.

                        Word is, he's already put his roots back in down in South Alabama. Living in Hoover, alabama, I know that most of the guys around here were looking to play for Auburn until saban walked in.

                        Mike Shula was a solid recruiter (a la Zook) but, he didn't have the ties and influence Saban has. I'd look for Auburn to suffer in in-state recruiting at Bama's expense in the near future.
                        I suppose thats true. I've always seen him as an incredible recruiter, but talent alone doesn't win. Some of his teams at LSU had a tendency to not show up prepared. They put it together for one season, and even then they lost a game they should've won.

                        We'll have to wait and see how it turns out, I guess. I think that the coach who comes in after him will probably have more success than Saban did on the field, but I could be wrong about that.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by constant cough View Post
                          I don't know about that LSU's still been pulling talent out of Mobile even without Saban, got two guys from Mobile in last Feb's signing class.
                          That's because Saban established a pipeline there for them.

                          His first objective will be to cut off that pipeline, and slow down the flow of recruits Auburn gets from what he considers to be "his" recruiting property--- through you can't cut Auburn out entirely out of any part of Alabama.

                          Then, Saban will work to re-establish the numerous connections he established in Baton Rouge and the surrounding areas.

                          After all, turnabout is fair play.

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                          • #28
                            He didn't make any friends in Louisiana this recruiting season.. I think he'll have a pretty rough go of things in trying to re-establish his connections in the state for a little while.

                            It also doesn't hurt that LSU is having monumental success right now and that Les Miles is showing a pretty good recruiters touch. He's showing that he can keep the best players in state just like Saban did.

                            The SEC's coaches are brutal right now.

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                            • #29
                              Yeah I agree I don't see Saban making any inroads in Louisiana, he isn't exactally well liked down here anymore. You should hear what Rayville or West Monroe's coaches have to say about him. They basically said they will steer all their recruits over to LSU.

                              Saban may or may not cut off LSU's pipeline to Mobile but that doesn't change the fact that since he left LSU has still been able to recruit Moblie and neither Auburn nor Saban has stopped that, yet. We'll see.

                              Saban is more of a threat to Auburn recruiting than to LSU. LSU recruits Louisiana,Texas, Mississippi and some Alabama and Flroida. If Saban starts beating LSU I can see it affecting Alabama recruiting but Saban will never have any affect on LSU's ablity to recruit Louisiana or Texas. I don't even see it affecting LSU's Mississippi recruiting, LSU has always recruiting Miss well even during the bad years.

                              Alabama and LSU's recruiting territory doesn't overlap enough for Saban to make a difference to LSU's recruiting even if he does start winning. In short, I'm not worried about Saban I'm much more concerned about Auburn and Florida.
                              Last edited by constant cough; 05-09-2007, 11:51 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Not to mention Louisiana's talent is far superior to Alabama's. He can shut off the state all he wants but he wont come in and get any of LAs studs.

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