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  • Originally posted by Hollywood View Post
    Any rumblings at all of Ray Ray possibly moving to TE, Joey? I'd love to see what he could do at that spot with his elite athleticism and our gaping hole there next year, seems like a great fit.
    If either of the Sanford guys move to TE, it'll be Dye. Althought Dye is likely sticking at DE. Talk of those guys was for depth reasons but eith Epps back and Jimmy Graham playing better then expected, there's no worries there.

    Ray Ray will be sticking to defense from what I've heard.

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    • Originally posted by JoeyJr09 View Post
      If either of the Sanford guys move to TE, it'll be Dye. Althought Dye is likely sticking at DE. Talk of those guys was for depth reasons but eith Epps back and Jimmy Graham playing better then expected, there's no worries there.

      Ray Ray will be sticking to defense from what I've heard.
      My worries aren't this year, they are next year when we have absolutely nobody to play TE for us. I say redshirt one of them and let them learn the position.

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      • Are you kidding me ? They're going to red-shirted an athlete like Armstrong because RYAN HILL & CHAVEZ GRANT are ahead of them ? RYAN HILL & CHAVEZ GRANT ???????????????????????????

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        • BTW do they give updated height/weights for the incoming freshman? I do wonder what Ray Ray is at...

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          • Originally posted by GhostDeini View Post
            Are you kidding me ? They're going to red-shirted an athlete like Armstrong because RYAN HILL & CHAVEZ GRANT are ahead of them ? RYAN HILL & CHAVEZ GRANT ???????????????????????????
            Is this a serious post? Why would you waste a year of Ray Ray's eligibility to run with the 3rd team and just see spot duty on ST when Chavez Grant and Ryan Hill are capable of doing the same thing.

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            • Originally posted by Hollywood View Post
              My worries aren't this year, they are next year when we have absolutely nobody to play TE for us. I say redshirt one of them and let them learn the position.
              We'll be fine at TE. Sanders will have a year in the system, Plein can still be used there on occasion as a blocker and we are gonna have at least 2 more coming in. Not studs by any means but certainly it will be enough depth.

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              • Just heard Telamaque is starting. Great news.

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                • Originally posted by fresssh View Post
                  Just heard Telamaque is starting. Great news.
                  Where'd you get this from. Theres a chance he starts seeing as Randy said the depth chart isn't final and Randy loves moving guys around but I seriously doubt that Randy would name him the start mere hours after putting him on the 2nd string.

                  Also, the starting lineups likely won't be set until game day.This new depth chart just gives us a peak at what coaches are thinking.

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                  • Originally posted by fresssh View Post
                    Wow, i 2 would be shocked if he was redshirted. I heard from a few people he started out awful in pratctice but really improved and they think he could get nice PT mid way through the season. I know he isnt listed on the 2 deep, but I havent heard anythnig of Grant and Hill being ahead of him. Only coaches know for sure, but thats my hearing.


                    Anybody a little surprised on the depth chart? VT not starting. Chambers ahead of Benjamin on KR. Coop over Benjamin on PR. Hankerson over A. Johnson. Maybe Holmes over Forston(Doubt it). Regis not on 2 deep. An Sam Sheilds may Start.
                    1st off, show me some love for being the only Canes fan that was skeptical about Ray Ray having an immediate impact. Safety is a difficult position for a freshman and I didn't think he'd be ready. jk I'm not gonna gloat but you got crow on this one Joey. Grant is the nickel and possibly a safety in certain packages. Hill is backup FS. I know they're not starting caliber but I'm happy with the safety depth, especially compared to past years where Lovon Ponder and that other POS were back there.

                    LOVE the depth chart. VT is starting now apparently (thank god) but he shoulda won it without question.

                    Chambers is our best KR imo (give props to Joey who's been wanting him back there for years iirc). He's got speed, burst, agility and he's a downhill guy. Benjamin is more of a sideline to sideline PR. Coop/Benjamin are about even at PR for me. I'd use em both and I expect us to do the same.

                    I've always been a Hankerson fan (minus the drops). He has a good build and he can run a full route tree. He's been working hard so he's earned another shot. AJ has great hands and intangibles but he's too slow and gets no separation. I hate to say it but AJ was way overhyped coming out of HS and will probably bust. His game doesn't translate to college.

                    Forston hasn't lived up to the hype. I thought Joseph was gonna start and I despise him so I'm glad it's Holmes. Holmes has impressed me when healthy. He's the best overall athlete of the 3.

                    I've always loved Regis and he should be ahead of Joseph. This shouldn't be a surprise tho....DT is competitive for us this year.

                    Sam Shields has been a pleasant surprise at CB. I hoped he would impress enough to start. Shields can stick to any receiver and breaks down well to tackle. DVD has no agility and is too thin. He's a major liability against the run and pass.

                    Harland Gunn at RG....YES! Figs is way too top-heavy and awkward. Gunn is a house. Our run game will be scary if/when Franklin gets moved to RT and Washington starts at LG.

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                    • Originally posted by JoeyJr09 View Post
                      We'll be fine at TE. Sanders will have a year in the system, Plein can still be used there on occasion as a blocker and we are gonna have at least 2 more coming in. Not studs by any means but certainly it will be enough depth.
                      Man that's wayyyy too much optimism if you think two second year players in Billy 'Idaho' Sanders and Stephen 'I'm a tackle, not a TE' Plein plus two incoming freshman can provide enough depth at the TE spot. No way.

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                      • Originally posted by etk View Post
                        AJ has great hands and intangibles but he's too slow and gets no separation. I hate to say it but AJ was way overhyped coming out of HS and will probably bust. His game doesn't translate to college.

                        Forston hasn't lived up to the hype. I thought Joseph was gonna start and I despise him so I'm glad it's Holmes. Holmes has impressed me when healthy. He's the best overall athlete of the 3.
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                        whoa whoa whoa...slow your roll here.

                        AJ will be just fine. He had a very good true freshman year, was at times our most reliable WR and will always put up a good numbers IMO. Yea he doesn't have the greatest speed but you can't discount how physical the guy is. He is the type that will always outmuscle his defender. Being that physical plus having great hands is the kind of guy every team will kill for. He is the kind that will get us a key 1st down on 3rd and 6 all year.

                        I like Hankerson too, but there is a good reason why AJ had more yards, receptions (about double) and TDs in his freshman year to Hankerson's total two years here combined. AJ will not bust.

                        And I expect more from you than to say that Forston hasn't lived up to the hype. Based on what? He was outstanding as a true freshman last year in a position that is hard to be outstanding at. He was consistently in the backfield and causing disruptions. He is a 1st round pick in a couple years. He is going to dominate this year and just because he isn't starting, I guarantee he gets just as much, if not the most playing time of any DT. Yea he needs to improve his run defense, but he didn't have the type of help in that category that he will this year. I expect huge things from him this year.

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                        • Originally posted by Hollywood View Post
                          whoa whoa whoa...slow your roll here.

                          AJ will be just fine. He had a very good true freshman year, was at times our most reliable WR and will always put up a good numbers IMO. Yea he doesn't have the greatest speed but you can't discount how physical the guy is. He is the type that will always outmuscle his defender. Being that physical plus having great hands is the kind of guy every team will kill for. He is the kind that will get us a key 1st down on 3rd and 6 all year.

                          I like Hankerson too, but there is a good reason why AJ had more yards, receptions (about double) and TDs in his freshman year to Hankerson's total two years here combined. AJ will not bust.

                          And I expect more from you than to say that Forston hasn't lived up to the hype. Based on what? He was outstanding as a true freshman last year in a position that is hard to be outstanding at. He was consistently in the backfield and causing disruptions. He is a 1st round pick in a couple years. He is going to dominate this year and just because he isn't starting, I guarantee he gets just as much, if not the most playing time of any DT. Yea he needs to improve his run defense, but he didn't have the type of help in that category that he will this year. I expect huge things from him this year.
                          AJ fit in well as a tFr because he was a rare reliable target. I think he's gonna fall down the depth chart as we have receivers with more physical ability that will develop and produce. Just because a guy is productive as a Fr doesn't mean things will continue on an upward slope. Lots of guys start in their early years because they come into a good situation but get overpassed when better talent comes along. That's what I think will happen to AJ. Bust isn't the right word, I'll admit that, but he doesn't have much upside and will lose touches as the position gets more competitive.

                          Forston hasn't lived up to the hype yet. What more can I say? I see a lot of non-Miami fans predicting big things from him this year but he's not even a clear-cut starter. DTs are slow to develop in college and he's no different. He was in the backfield a fair bit as a Fr but struggled a bit against the run and missed a lot of tackles when he disrupted said backfield. I'd like to see him improve his agility and pursuit. Forston had some big missed opportunities last year and that led to some big plays as the rest of the D wasn't there to clean up what he started. I don't know where you get that outstanding crap....Forston was stuck in the same pile as Dwayne Hendricks, Antonio Dixon and Joe Joseph last year. Unless you saw something the coaches didn't see......?

                          I still think he'll be a 1st day pick when it's all said and done, but I'm not sure this year is his year to dominate. I like Forston, but I'm realistic and I don't let the Rivals rankings dictate how I evaluate our players. Bailey, Robinson, Moncur and Ojomo are/were better players for us going into the year. I like Forston as a penetrator but he's far from a complete player and it's hard to call a rotational player "dominant". Maybe towards the end of the year he'll start scratching the surface....we'll see.

                          It's also concerning that I always hear/read positive reports about almost every DL on the team except Forston. He doesn't sound like a good practice player/worker.

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                          • But going by your own reasoning you consider a guy who was always in the backfield as a true freshman DT not living up to the hype? What more could he possibly have done?

                            Yea he missed some tackles, but those are the kind of things that improve from year 1 to 2. Getting in the backfield that much just shows the athletic ability and talent that he has.

                            I think your just being fooled by the depth chart, it doesn't matter that he isn't 'starting' he is still going to play just as much (I wouldn't be surprised either if he is starting the FSU game on snap 1, btw) as any other DT.

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                            • Originally posted by Hollywood View Post
                              But going by your own reasoning you consider a guy who was always in the backfield as a true freshman DT not living up to the hype? What more could he possibly have done?

                              Yea he missed some tackles, but those are the kind of things that improve from year 1 to 2. Getting in the backfield that much just shows the athletic ability and talent that he has.

                              I think your just being fooled by the depth chart, it doesn't matter that he isn't 'starting' he is still going to play just as much (I wouldn't be surprised either if he is starting the FSU game on snap 1, btw) as any other DT.
                              This is my bad. I haven't worded myself properly a few times throughout this thread and I'm confusing you.

                              Forston has completely lived up to my expectations and is on the right track. He's not living up to the unreasonable hype and billing that was given to him by others. People expected him to come in and dominate as a Fr. He was what you'd expect a talented Fr DT to look like...not a superstar by any means. Now he's getting even more hype and he hasn't even cemented a starting spot. It's similar with Marvin Austin on UNC (but MUCH worse). Everyone said he was a lock to start and be a key player for the Heels as a tFr. I saw him a few times last year and he looked like a pylon. Now he's a potential 1st round pick? Huh.

                              I want Forston to be treated the same as any other player that's shown flashes and has talent and upside. I don't see as many people proclaiming Travis Benjamin or Brandon Harris as studs. Both are in a similar situation.

                              I expect him to get the 2nd most snaps at DT. No way he gets more snaps than Bailey. Bailey is the best or 2nd best player on this team.

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                              • 3 Days til Kickoff.

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