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  • #16
    Originally posted by DWilliams2IndyColts View Post
    But would your opinion be the same if Butler wasn't going to SC? And Benn is the best True Freshman receiver in the country.
    Yes, I said it before when everyone thought he was thought to be a FSU commit. Floyd was the receiver I wanted most this year.

    I guess we'll see, I like what I see from Kamara and stand by my opinion.
    Chinese Democracy starts on November 23rd 2008!!!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Axl Rose View Post
      Yes, I said it before when everyone thought he was thought to be a FSU commit. Floyd was the receiver I wanted most this year.

      I guess we'll see, I like what I see from Kamara and stand by my opinion.
      You would take Floyd ahead of Julio Jones?????????? Surprising...

      Just a quick Benn/Kamara comparison...

      Kamara: 32 catches, 357 yards, 11.2 ypc, 4 TD
      Benn: 49 catches, 596 yards, 12.2 ypc, 1 TD, 32 rushes, 158 yards, 4.9 ypc (Big 10 Freshman of the Year)

      I'd say round 1 goes to Benn, but it should be a good battle.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by SNIPER26 View Post
        You would take Floyd ahead of Julio Jones?????????? Surprising...

        Just a quick Benn/Kamara comparison...

        Kamara: 32 catches, 357 yards, 11.2 ypc, 4 TD
        Benn: 49 catches, 596 yards, 12.2 ypc, 1 TD, 32 rushes, 158 yards, 4.9 ypc (Big 10 Freshman of the Year)

        I'd say round 1 goes to Benn, but it should be a good battle.
        I never seen Jones, ND was never in it for him so I never really paid attention to him. Floyd may not be the highest rated WR but the one I want cause hes the whole package IMO and fits ND well.

        4 TD's to 1 TD, thats the most important of all the stats IMO.
        Chinese Democracy starts on November 23rd 2008!!!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Axl Rose View Post
          I never seen Jones, ND was never in it for him so I never really paid attention to him. Floyd may not be the highest rated WR but the one I want cause hes the whole package IMO and fits ND well.

          4 TD's to 1 TD, thats the most important of all the stats IMO.
          Considering Kamara got his TDs against Navy (2), Duke and Purdue, I wouldn't put too much stock into that

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          • #20
            Also consider what Kamara has to work with around him.


            Comparing player's ability this early in their career is useless.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by gstock05 View Post
              Also consider what Kamara has to work with around him.


              Comparing player's ability this early in their career is useless.
              Seriously. The supporting cast he had this year was pitiful. I still like Benn more, though.


              Can someone at all tell me how Butler looked considerably better in that clip? He certainly looked faster, but faster does not equal better. Floyd was able to use his quickness and size to win one-on-one battles, much like Butler used his speed.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by mqtirishfan View Post
                Seriously. The supporting cast he had this year was pitiful. I still like Benn more, though.


                Can someone at all tell me how Butler looked considerably better in that clip? He certainly looked faster, but faster does not equal better. Floyd was able to use his quickness and size to win one-on-one battles, much like Butler used his speed.
                Butler is faster and has better hands, arguably the two most important characteristics of a WR. I'd argue that Butler runs better routes also. Basically, he's more polished than Floyd, and the only thing Floyd has on him is size/strength.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Jericho@SC View Post
                  Butler is faster and has better hands, arguably the two most important characteristics of a WR. I'd argue that Butler runs better routes also. Basically, he's more polished than Floyd, and the only thing Floyd has on him is size/strength.
                  And yet, Scout and Rivals rank Floyd ahead of Butler.

                  Any argument you try to make on hands and route running ability would imply you've seen every game that both Butler and Floyd have made over their entire HS career to make that type of comparison.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Jericho@SC View Post
                    Butler is faster and has better hands, arguably the two most important characteristics of a WR. I'd argue that Butler runs better routes also. Basically, he's more polished than Floyd, and the only thing Floyd has on him is size/strength.
                    I absolutely do not see anything in that video to show that Butler has better hands or runs better routes. In the video, Butler runs faster, but Floyd is able to make huge plays because of his shiftiness.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by mqtirishfan View Post
                      I absolutely do not see anything in that video to show that Butler has better hands or runs better routes. In the video, Butler runs faster, but Floyd is able to make huge plays because of his shiftiness.
                      http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=692630

                      Brice Butler is a unanimous selection among Mike Farrell, JC Shurburtt, and Jeremy Crabtree as having the best hands.

                      Jeremy Crabtree: "Butler is also an excellent route runner."

                      I may not have seen EVERY video of Brice Butler, but the Rivals experts have seen a bunch of film on him.

                      And Floyd may have looked good on that film, but how do you know it wasn't because of the weak competition he was playing against?

                      Butler is widely regarded by recruiting experts as having some of the best hands in this year's class. And you can't argue that his 40 times are faster than Floyd's 40 times. Like I said, speed and hands.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Jericho@SC View Post
                        Like I said, speed and hands.
                        I don't agree with that. I'd rate attributes like this.

                        1. Hands
                        2. Route-Running
                        3. What you do after the catch
                        4. Tough Catch Ability
                        5. Blocking
                        6. Speed

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Jericho@SC View Post
                          http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=692630

                          Brice Butler is a unanimous selection among Mike Farrell, JC Shurburtt, and Jeremy Crabtree as having the best hands.

                          Jeremy Crabtree: "Butler is also an excellent route runner."

                          I may not have seen EVERY video of Brice Butler, but the Rivals experts have seen a bunch of film on him.

                          And Floyd may have looked good on that film, but how do you know it wasn't because of the weak competition he was playing against?

                          Butler is widely regarded by recruiting experts as having some of the best hands in this year's class. And you can't argue that his 40 times are faster than Floyd's 40 times. Like I said, speed and hands.
                          Great, so you found 3 guys to validate a portion of your weak point.

                          Unfortunately, those same 3 help rank all of the WRs for Rivals, and Floyd is ranked ahead of Butler, meaning they must think that in the overall scheme of things, Floyd is a better WR than Butler.

                          You're trying to fall back on speed and hands as the sole requirements for a "polished" WR, but a truly polished WR can make the catch (difficult or routine), make something happen after the catch, and lay a block to spring a teammate for a big play.

                          Speed in a 40 yard dash isn't everything. Jerry Rice ran what...a 4.6? 4.7?

                          Butler is good. I just don't think he's better than Floyd right now.
                          Last edited by JayP; 12-12-2007, 01:31 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by SNIPER26 View Post
                            I don't agree with that. I'd rate attributes like this.

                            1. Hands
                            2. Route-Running
                            3. What you do after the catch
                            4. Tough Catch Ability
                            5. Blocking
                            6. Speed
                            no way is speed that low... speed i would put at 4 or 5. Blocking doesn't make a great receiver... Randy Moss i would argue is the best receiver in the NFL right now, and he doesn't do much if anything blocking wise.


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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JayP View Post
                              Great, so you found 3 guys to validate a portion of your weak point.

                              Unfortunately, those same 3 help rank all of the WRs for Rivals, and Floyd is ranked ahead of Butler, meaning they must think that in the overall scheme of things, Floyd is a better WR than Butler.

                              You're trying to fall back on speed and hands as the sole requirements for a "polished" WR, but a truly polished WR can make the catch (difficult or routine), make something happen after the catch, and lay a block to spring a teammate for a big play.

                              Speed in a 40 yard dash isn't everything. Jerry Rice ran what...a 4.6? 4.7?

                              Butler is good. I just don't think he's better than Floyd right now.

                              Fair enough. You have your opinion, I have mine. In terms of being polished, I just feel like Butler is less of a bust factor at this point because of his hands.


                              5 star WRs come into CFB and the Pros every year. Two things that you usually see from new WRs at both levels that make you realize that they perhaps aren't as good as they were advertised are dropped balls and inability to get open. You cant' be a good receiver if you can't catch balls thrown your way. By the same token, you won't get balls thrown your way if you can't get open.

                              If you look at USC this year, they had Vidal Hazelton, Patrick Turner, David Ausberry and Ronald Johnson. All 5 star talents. A mixture of "big bruising Mike Williams clones" and speedsters. Yet their passing game was weak this year because every single one of the the WR's struggled with dropped balls and for some reason couldn't get free from opposing corners.

                              I agree that Floyd is physically stronger and might have better RAC ability, but they said the same thing about Ausberry and Turner, and they both disappointed this year.

                              I'm not saying Floyd is going to do the same or that he can't catch or get open, but I'm wary of WRs who are touted more for their physical traits than fundamentals.

                              All I'm saying is that out of the two, I see Butler as less likely to have problems with dropped balls, and getting open. He's not an all world prospect, but I like him better a s a prospect.
                              Last edited by Jericho@SC; 12-12-2007, 02:23 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by VoteLynnSwan View Post
                                no way is speed that low... speed i would put at 4 or 5. Blocking doesn't make a great receiver... Randy Moss i would argue is the best receiver in the NFL right now, and he doesn't do much if anything blocking wise.
                                I would put it

                                1. Hands - Obviously you gotta catch the ball

                                2. Route Running - If you run good routes, you can get open w/o speed.

                                3. Speed - On certain routes (streak), and against really good corners, without this
                                you won't get open.

                                4. Special Catch ability - Not all catches will be easy

                                5. Run after catch - I don't think this is that important. Most important thing is you catch the ball and get those yards. Also, it's not like NFL DB's aren't solid tacklers, so exceptional YAC is not common. RAC is more like a bonus rather than a necessity.

                                6. Blocking - Majority of WRs in the league aren't even good at this. No one expects a WR to be a great blocker.


                                Obviously you gotta catch the ball.

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