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    started a topic etk's 1st Mock on NFLDC

    etk's 1st Mock on NFLDC

    Rules

    1. Don't mock my mock. If you have any comments/concerns with any of the picks feel free to post constructive criticism. For those of you who need simple english, don't just say "bad pick, we don't need him". That will get you nowhere here. Conversely, a good convincing argument could lead to a change in picks and positive rep.

    2. Don't comment on your team's standings. I predicted the records myself and it took longer than expected. It's all opinion but I'm more of a draft expert than an NFL prognosticator so criticizing your team's standing just makes you look like a fool.

    3. Don't argue with me about which underclassmen are and aren't in my mock.
    I know so-and-so is a beast and yada-yada, I don't know any of the prospects personally so I can't tell you if they declare or not. I put in the ones that I needed :)

    4. Enjoy! Feel free to ask me to explain any of the picks or anything else for that matter.

    Mock

    1. Tennessee: Jake Long, OT, Michigan
    2. Dallas (via CLE): Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas (u)
    3. Oakland: Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
    4. Minnesota: Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
    5. Miami: Sam Baker, OT, USC
    6. Kansas City: Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
    7. Tampa Bay: Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (u)
    8. New York Giants: Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (u)
    9. Atlanta: Barry Richardson, OT, Clemson
    10. Buffalo: Dan Connor, OLB, PSU
    11. New York Jets: Chris Long, DE, Virginia
    12. Green Bay: Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech (u)
    13. Jacksonville: Colt Brennan, QB, Hawaii
    14. New England: Quentin Groves, DE, Auburn
    15. Seattle: Martin Rucker, TE, Missouri
    16. Baltimore: Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
    17. Detroit: Keith Rivers, LB, USC
    18. Houston: DeSean Jackson, WR, California (u)
    19. Arizona: Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
    20. Washington: Adarius Bowman, WR, OKSU
    21. Dallas:Early Doucet, WR, LSU
    22. Pittsburgh: Gosder Cherilus, OT, BC
    23. New Orleans: Frank Okam, DT, Texas
    24. Carolina: Jonathan Hefney, S, Tennessee
    25. Chicago: Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
    26. Cincinnati: Tommy Blake, DE, TCU
    27. Philadelphia: Tom Zbikowski, S, Notre Dame
    28. San Francisco: Terrell Thomas, CB, USC
    29. Denver: Shawn Crable, OLB, Michigan
    30. San Diego: Phillip Wheeler, LB, Georgia Tech
    31. St. Louis: Louis Holmes, DE, Arizona
    32. New England: Jasper Brinkley, LB, South Carolina


    4 USC prospects go in the first round, but the scary thing is how several more could realistically make it too. I left a lot of great prospects out of this mock so it looks like it's gonna be a strong draft. I'm excited!
    Last edited by etk; 09-05-2007, 06:44 PM.

  • adschofield
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    hmmm, Herm is not giving up on Brodie, he's prob. going to be the starter by mid-season, I think DeSean Jackson makes sense there, maybe Brandon Flowers

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  • Hermstheman83
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    Etk,
    Your mock is really good, I don't think KC would pick a QB though. I think it is way to early to be counting him out. Also, I would think our greatest need would be O-line. Perhaps it's too early to be thinking O-line with what's left(I like Sam Baker myself, but Scott has us taking a guy out of Boise State....).
    Also, I think JA will be re-signed to a long term deal, we got the cap to do it.

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  • TitanHope
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    Originally posted by etk
    McFadden: Not a need
    Jackson: Too early
    Dorsey: Not a need, early for a DT
    Campbell: Makes most sense of the 4

    Drafting a RT may not be the most logical choice here, especially considering the # of the pick, but I see no other choice. None of the other prospects available make better sense, and you weren't very convincing in arguing that they were. Campbell is an option but the Titans need help on offense, and Long is the best available candidate as an upgrade over Stewart. Vanden Bosch is solid and the Titans don't need another oversized DE, so LaBoy is fine for the moment.
    *sigh*

    Here is a website that lists many OL statistics from last season. As you can see, the Titans line was 12th in the league when it came to pass protection, which I think reflects greatly on our OT's. Roos and Stewart are just going into their 3rd year in the NFL, and they're a big part of the 12th best pass protecting line in the league. Now, Vince Young's manueverability has some to do with this, but that only proves that OT isn't that big of a need to be upgraded. On the other hand, they're the 27th ranked unit when it comes to run blocking, which I believe reflects on our guards. Thats why I said that Guard would be a more logical position to upgrade. But still, thats only because the rankings are listed by the Adj. Line Yards stat. Look at the rest of the stats when it comes to run blocking. The Titans line is above the league average in everything else when it comes to run blocking.

    The Titans won't draft Jake Long with the 1st overall pick. There is a great chance that they'd take McFadden. You want to know why? Because in the 2003 draft, the top player on our board was Larry Johnson. He got picked by the Cheifs right before our selection. In the 2004 draft, we were wanting Steven Jackson. He got picked by the Rams right before us too. Even in the 2005 draft, the Titans were wanting to pick either Ronnie Brown, Caddillac Williams, or Cedric Benson instead of Pacman. Unfortunately, those 3 got picked before the Titans also. The Titans have been after a RB for a while now. If LenDale doesn't perform, I don't think the front office will pass up on a talent like McFadden when they've been lusting after RB's for the past few years. Even if it means we have McFadden, White, and Henry on roster. And as you said, Jackson is too early and the Titans don't draft WR's early in the draft, since they're not as important in our offense. We do have a big need at DT. Albert Haynesworth is in the last year of his contract, and there's no other presence at DT besides him. What other over-sized DE are you talking about? LaBoy isn't even starting this season. Antwan Odom is, but he has struggled with injuries all year.

    Its your choice since it's your mock. But Jake Long is a very poor pick, despite what HEISMANHERSCHEL says (Just becaue OL is a safe pick doesn't mean its a good one). I've explained to you why its a bad selection also. You asked for constructive criticism, and I gave you it with a good enough argument to back it up. Anymore counterpoints on your part are just a sign of stubborness. Fortunately, I think its time for me to stop attempting to correct you.
    Last edited by TitanHope; 09-07-2007, 08:54 PM.

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  • OSUGiants17
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    Nice G-Men pick

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  • MURPHMAN
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    Carolina's needs at safety have been well documented. However, most/all of the young safeties on the roster are signed for mulitple years and Fox and the FO have NEVER placed much emphisis on the position in the draft or free agency. Hopefully 2 of the 5 on the roster will emerge as starters as the year goes on. If not, then it is a big need but I am not sure Hefney is the answer. Based on the new personel hired for scouting talent and the most recent draft results, the Panthers seem to be moving away from targeting certain players and going more for BPA (assuming any kind of need is there). As of now, Hefney may be a reach that early.

    Both starting OT's are UFA's after this season and despite all the talk by Richardson that Gross is a priority to be re-signed, it still has not happened. The back-ups are not that strong either so that would be my first round choice since this class is stacked.

    If not OT, DT could be a huge need. Both backups are UFA's and we all know that Kris Jenkins is on shaky ground with the FO.

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  • HEISMANHERSCHEL
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    That was a great mock. Probably the best I have seen. Well done!

    If I was the Titans, I would have taken Jackson, as they could use him at wr and special teams.

    However, considering the bust potential at wr and ol being a safe pick, you cant argue with Long, no matter what anyone says.

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  • etk
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    Originally posted by TitanHope View Post
    Not sold? That's a horrendous reason. What exactly aren't you sold on? The fact that they're young? That they weren't select in the first round? That they don't have any pro-bowls to their names? Roos is a two year starter, and Stewart started this year and played excellent considering that. You said yourself that you weren't a NFL expert, let alone a Titans expert. You not being sold on them is a horrible reason, especially when you have them picking the 1st overall? Actually make an argument for the pick. Or just trust a Titans fan, who actually knows his team.



    Chris Henry is 3rd on the depth chart, and despite being big, strong, and fast, he hasn't exactly "wow'd" the coaching staff. He'll move to 2nd next year just because Brown will likely be leaving. Travis Henry practically ran for 1200+ yards in 14 games last year behind the line we'll have this year. If the RB's don't run well, then its the RB's that have the problem.



    If the record reflects Vince's weapons, then give him weapons! If the team needs a defensive playmaker, then give them a defensive playmaker!

    McFadden, Jackson, Dorsey, Campbell...anyone of them makes sense, though some not that early. Jake Long does not. We are not spending the 1st overall pick upgrading a position that is already a strong point. If you do not understand this, then you aren't the draft analyst that you proclaime to be.
    McFadden: Not a need
    Jackson: Too early
    Dorsey: Not a need, early for a DT
    Campbell: Makes most sense of the 4

    Drafting a RT may not be the most logical choice here, especially considering the # of the pick, but I see no other choice. None of the other prospects available make better sense, and you weren't very convincing in arguing that they were. Campbell is an option but the Titans need help on offense, and Long is the best available candidate as an upgrade over Stewart. Vanden Bosch is solid and the Titans don't need another oversized DE, so LaBoy is fine for the moment.

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  • PoopSandwich
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    My two favorite Canes going back to back in the top 10, nice!

    Imagine Tampa with Calais and Gaines... My god.

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  • TitanHope
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    Originally posted by etk
    1) I'm not sold on either of those offensive tackles. I agree it's not a need that jumps out tremendously but it's still a position that could use upgrading with talent available.
    Not sold? That's a horrendous reason. What exactly aren't you sold on? The fact that they're young? That they weren't select in the first round? That they don't have any pro-bowls to their names? Roos is a two year starter, and Stewart started this year and played excellent considering that. You said yourself that you weren't a NFL expert, let alone a Titans expert. You not being sold on them is a horrible reason, especially when you have them picking the 1st overall? Actually make an argument for the pick. Or just trust a Titans fan, who actually knows his team.

    2) McFadden was given strong consideration, but I thought Chris Henry deserves a chance to be the feature & future back. Adding a dominant run blocker like Long who has solid potential in pass protection was the best move. It gives Henry (and White) a greater chance to be effective in helping the Titans be a dominant ball control offense. I know Norm Chow doesn't favor that kind of offense but Vince Young will never be an air-it-out QB.
    Chris Henry is 3rd on the depth chart, and despite being big, strong, and fast, he hasn't exactly "wow'd" the coaching staff. He'll move to 2nd next year just because Brown will likely be leaving. Travis Henry practically ran for 1200+ yards in 14 games last year behind the line we'll have this year. If the RB's don't run well, then its the RB's that have the problem.

    3) Their record was reflective toward my feelings about Vince Young and his receivers/weapons. The offense will make a ton of mistakes and losing a defensive playmaker like Pacman is big too.
    If the record reflects Vince's weapons, then give him weapons! If the team needs a defensive playmaker, then give them a defensive playmaker!

    McFadden, Jackson, Dorsey, Campbell...anyone of them makes sense, though some not that early. Jake Long does not. We are not spending the 1st overall pick upgrading a position that is already a strong point. If you do not understand this, then you aren't the draft analyst that you proclaime to be.

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  • etk
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    Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
    Obvious time and effort spent putting this together... especially with the standings. The most realistic mocks wont have the same overall standings as the year prior.

    Also like the LB pick. I don't watch enough college football to know about Rivers, but I'll be keeping an eye on him now.

    Well done. +rep.
    Thanks. Appreciation is always accepted with honor.

    Originally posted by TitanHope View Post
    1. Tennessee: Jake Long, OT, Michigan

    We have absolutely 0 need at offensive tackle. We drafted Michael Roos in the early 2nd round of the '05 draft and he's played tremendously well at LT. We also drafted a gem in David Stewart on the second day of that draft, and he's played very well at RT. Stewart is the best mauler on the line. If we did draft Long, that means either him or Roos would play RT on the line. Obviously, there's no way on God's green earth that we're drafting a RT with the first overall pick, and I see no need to swap Roos to RT after he played so well this last season at the position, just to improve an already good offensive line. Plus, RT's are available in later rounds. Now, if Roos and Stewart play horrible, then Long could be plausable, but they've given no indication that they will. So, as Scarr would say, horrible pick. ;)

    Besides, if the Titans earn the 1st overall pick, it probably means LenDale couldn't handle the running game. Darren McFadden would make the most sense, since no other player of moderate need is worthy of being the 1st pick.
    1) I'm not sold on either of those offensive tackles. I agree it's not a need that jumps out tremendously but it's still a position that could use upgrading with talent available.
    2) McFadden was given strong consideration, but I thought Chris Henry deserves a chance to be the feature & future back. Adding a dominant run blocker like Long who has solid potential in pass protection was the best move. It gives Henry (and White) a greater chance to be effective in helping the Titans be a dominant ball control offense. I know Norm Chow doesn't favor that kind of offense but Vince Young will never be an air-it-out QB.
    3) Their record was reflective toward my feelings about Vince Young and his receivers/weapons. The offense will make a ton of mistakes and losing a defensive playmaker like Pacman is big too.

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  • TitanHope
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    1. Tennessee: Jake Long, OT, Michigan

    We have absolutely 0 need at offensive tackle. We drafted Michael Roos in the early 2nd round of the '05 draft and he's played tremendously well at LT. We also drafted a gem in David Stewart on the second day of that draft, and he's played very well at RT. Stewart is the best mauler on the line. If we did draft Long, that means either him or Roos would play RT on the line. Obviously, there's no way on God's green earth that we're drafting a RT with the first overall pick, and I see no need to swap Roos to RT after he played so well this last season at the position, just to improve an already good offensive line. Plus, RT's are available in later rounds. Now, if Roos and Stewart play horrible, then Long could be plausable, but they've given no indication that they will. So, as Scarr would say, horrible pick. ;)

    Besides, if the Titans earn the 1st overall pick, it probably means LenDale couldn't handle the running game. Darren McFadden would make the most sense, since no other player of moderate need is worthy of being the 1st pick.
    Last edited by TitanHope; 09-06-2007, 02:48 PM.

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  • TacticaLion
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    Obvious time and effort spent putting this together... especially with the standings. The most realistic mocks wont have the same overall standings as the year prior.

    Also like the LB pick. I don't watch enough college football to know about Rivers, but I'll be keeping an eye on him now.

    Well done. +rep.

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  • etk
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    Originally posted by fenikz View Post
    Can LoJack play a 3-4 OLB, I honestly haven't watched him much, CB is another option for us there Hood & Green are starting now and depending on how they do CB could be a huge huge need for the Cards
    Cardinals run a 3-4? If so I'll change it.

    Originally posted by Crow View Post
    Mahogany...
    Huh?

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  • Crow
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    3. Oakland: Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
    Mahogany...

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