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    There's actually a 2nd and 3rd down, but with the final week of games coming up, I figured I'd wait on them before fine combing through things. 3 veteran trades. Any other veteran trades to consider (that might involve a pick in the first 3 rounds)? I imagine the trades I have will have plenty of folks saying they were awful or bad or something of the ilk, particularly Falcons fans. I'm already envisioning them telling me that would never happen, or something like that.

    Edit: I forgot about Jonathan Vilma as a veteran that could get moved. I'll chew on that. Perhaps Bobby Carpenter as well in a swap for a pick. I question if Shaun Rogers can net a 3rd round value. I think there's enough negatives that might make teams wary. But that's another one to consider.

    Pre-draft trades and comments:

    I don’t see Derek Anderson moving this offseason. I think enough teams might be wary enough to send a 1st rounder over, and I tend to think the Browns will hold firm on the first rounder. Granted, if Romeo leaves, the dynamics may change, as Savage and the new HC may have enough rope to go with Quinn right away and may accept a 2nd rounder and a combination of picks (perhaps including a 2009 first) in return. For all the talk on Crennel going to Miami, I’m not completely sold on that yet to mock that into consideration. On the Bengals QB/WR situation, I tend to think they’ll force everyone to coexist. Losing can inflame tensions.

    New England Patriots get OLB/DE Jason Taylor
    Miami Dolphins get the 71st overall pick

    For all the talk about keeping Taylor, if the right deal came along for Parcells, I’ve got a tough time buying that he’d pass. He knows he needs to retool, and as solid as Taylor may be for a year, two, if not three, he’s not in the long range plans for obvious reasons. Taylor isn’t garnering a first. Tough to gauge his value. Part of me says a 2nd is too high. The other part says no. I settle on the Patriots early 3rd from the Raiders. It could very well be the 64th overall instead. I don’t think the Patriots would mind that, but I’m going with the 71st for now. The Patriots could look for an outside backer and an inside backer this offseason. Colvin’s been banged up and only has one year left on his deal.

    New York Jets get the 92nd overall pick
    Jacksonville Jaguars get WR Laveranues Coles

    Jacksonville is still searching for a WR. The Jets may decide to part ways with Coles. Is a 3rd rounder too high? Perhaps. That said, it is a late 3rd. I just wonder if the Jaguars may be wary of going back into the draft and searching for a WR and counting on that WR sooner than later. They may very well add another WR, but adding a veteran like Coles gives the kid time to develop. Wilford is a FA, and Jones hasn’t developed, leaving Northcutt/Reggie Williams as the top guys. While Coles has lost a step, if not 2 or 3, he’s still a solid veteran receiver. Funny to think how Peter Warrick was the guy with huge expectations coming out of college.

    Minnesota Vikings get QB Donovan McNabb
    Philadelphia Eagles get the 19th and 76th overall, along with a first/3rd next year

    Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. Or something like that. Short of it is, if the right deal comes along, I think the Eagles pull the trigger and begin the rebuilding. Of all the teams that might look at McNabb, the Vikings seem most likely due to the Childress connection and the fact that a veteran QB might’ve pushed them up a notch or two, which might be enough to tempt them into a move. Yes, they still need more playmakers on offense, but they are, in many respects, built to win now. For all the talk about 3 or 4 first rounders, I think the Eagles would be fine with two. The big issue might resolve around getting a 2nd or 3rd rounder this year. I think the Vikings may fight to keep that 2nd, and I can see the Eagles being okay with that. Again, it’s a bit out there, but what the heck. If the Eagles get both 3rd’s this year or a 2nd, I don’t think they get an additional 3rd next year. And with decent depth on the roster, I don’t see the need for both 3rd’s this year.

    1. Miami Dolphins

    I think Parcells first desire is obviously to deal. Taking a 3-4 DL talent first overall is a gamble. Screw up, and you don’t establish your DL to protect the back 7 of the defense and spend a ton of money. OL needs work, but here? Seems a reach. Gholston is a thought, but it’s arguable if he’s a first overall talent in this draft. QB? I think it’s more likely they add a guy later on to throw in the mix with Beck and a veteran or 2. CB? Seems a reach and unlikely here. If they stay put, obviously a move has to be made, and it’s a toss up between Chris Long or Vernon Gholston for me here.

    Is there a deal possible? I’m going with one, knowing fully that Falcons fans will boo.

    Projected Trade:

    Atlanta Falcons get the 1st overall
    Miami Dolphins get the 4th, 47th (46th), and 66th (65th) overall along with a 2008 2nd rounder

    Even without Marty, I think they may pursue this route. With Marty, and I think it’s more likely. I’m growing more inclined to believe that rather than developing a first round QB route, that they’ll look to try and be competitive as soon as possible, and that likely means going the Darren McFadden route. Think what Arthur Blank has in McFadden – a get out of jail card in some respects. For the casual fan, McFadden is the superstar hope that they latch onto. For the team, McFadden is the workhorse that protects the QB and the defense. Add a veteran signal caller like Chad Pennington, health with their interior DL players, a couple other pieces, and this team is not as far off from pushing for a playoff spot as some (such as Mr. Parcells) might think, IMO. That said, whoever is the new decision maker may impact any top of the draft decision. One thing to note – the Rams perspective on McFadden (whether they are interested or not) isn’t as big an impact as one might think. Yes, it plays some role, but the ability to negotiate a contract pre-draft is also a factor.

    Now, I’ve got a hard time reconciling the Falcons giving up their early 2nd rounder, which was a problem. I think they need that pick to land a QB. I also think that Parcells would bite on fringy, but decent, value. Thus, it was the early 2nd and a 3rd next year, or the mid-2nd from Houston and a 2nd next year. I leaned for the latter, as I think they could be inclined to keep the early pick to add OL or add a QB. If they get a 3rd round compensatory pick as some have suggested (too lazy to check the numbers), that will make things all the better.

    Atlanta Falcons pick: RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas

    2. St. Louis Rams

    With Linehan looking somewhat protected, it’ll be curious how they handle things from a personnel side. Do they try to help that offense? Or do they add to a defense that could be closer to pushing it to the next level than some would think? I lean towards the defense, as they are early enough in the 2nd to land a quality OL talent. Gholston or Long are the thoughts, with Carriker as a 3-tech in a 4-3, and if they try a 3-4, then he becomes an end. Gholston’s edge ability wins out.

    St. Louis Rams pick: DE Vernon Gholston, the Ohio State

    3. New York Jets

    They’ve been rumored to be high on him, and he seems to fit the defensive style better than Glenn Dorsey. I have to wonder if they are wary on Dorsey after the work that they’ve tried with Dewayne Robertson.

    New York Jets pick: DE Chris Long, Virginia

    4. Miami Dolphins f/ Atlanta Falcons

    I think they miss out on their top 2 defensive targets with Long/Gholston coming off. Dorsey may warrant a thought, but I’m still not sold. I’m more inclined to go Laurinaitis than Dorsey. With their two interior guards on the way out and LJ Shelton no lock to return, they could see OL help, and Jake Long could be that guy. I don’t love him, but it makes some sense as a fallback plan if they buy Jake Long as a LT long run (he could be at RT this year to ease his way in with Carey still at LT, or they could stick him in at LT right away).

    Miami Dolphins pick: OT Jake Long, Michigan

    5. Kansas City Chiefs

    I contemplated a Bengals trade here for the longest team. Cincinnati needs to improve its interior pass rush. At the end of the day, the Chiefs have moved high enough that they can get a good OL talent in the 2nd in all likelihood, and Dorsey may be the piece to push the defense forward. They could use that dominant interior player. Tyler gets groomed behind Boone, with McBride becoming a 2nd round DL swing player.

    Kansas City Chiefs pick: DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU

    6. Oakland Raiders

    Oakland could use the interior rush as well, and there’s these two guys … Balmer a bit down .. and a lot of questions. They snap Ellis up here with the idea that OL can wait a bit for their style.

    Oakland Raiders pick: DT Sedrick Ellis, USC

    7. Baltimore Ravens

    Not the pick any Ravens fan seems to want, but as of now, I think Ryan is the top QB, and I think Ryan could be the top value at this point. Their OL isn’t really that pressed for another asset to begin with. They’ve got their RB and they’ve got some young receivers. DL depth can wait a bit. Safety is set. LB was a thought, but seems unlikely unless Suggs leaves. CB was the other thought, but QB outranks that, and it’s questionable if a corner value would top Ryan here. A trade down may be looked at, but as of now, I think they may be inclined to just grab the top QB on the board.

    Baltimore Ravens pick: QB Matt Ryan, Boston College

    8. New England Patriots f/ San Francisco 49ers

    Niners wins puts the Patriots in a lower position, which may be for the better. This may actually give the Patriots a better chance to deal, which I think is their preference. If they stay put, Laurinaitis and Jenkins (Mike or Malcolm) could be looked at here. That said, as intriguing as those guys may be, I tend to think that dealing down would be priority one, and that the Patriots would be open to grabbing future assets to balance out a deal.

    Projected Trade:

    Detroit Lions get the 8th overall
    New England Patriots get the 17th overall, the Lions 4th rounder this year and a 2nd rounder in 2009

    Patriots move down and pick up an additional midround asset. They still have a first to address needs at CB/LB. I can’t see OL unless someone gets moved. Lions are in a critical year. Their staff may get reworked, and the M and M boys may be on the hot seat. They may consider trying to improve the OL. Yes, there are other needs, but the two DT values are off, and Redding was signed to a huge deal. Ikaika Alama-Francis might be better off as an interior pass rusher in the Tampa 2. An end is a thought, but if they still have a 2nd/3rd, they have the ability to find one then. CB depth is probably something they wait on or go try and find in FA, and they can probably find LB’s later, or in FA, as well. If they wait, they may miss out on OT’s, and they need OT help. And I’m not sold that Cincinnati or Denver would necessarily trade down, so this might be their spot to target.

    Detroit Lions pick: OT Ryan Clady, Boise State

    9. Cincinnati Bengals

    They need to improve their pass rush. Ideally, it’d be their interior pass rush, but either way is fine. A LB is another thought, but it probably shouldn’t take precedence unless there’s a standout guy that demands the nod. Ahmad Brooks is returning, but they could use more. They look liable to promote within on safety, although another piece is likely. Offensively, WR could be looked at depending on how things shake out. OL is a later on look.

    Balmer/Merling/Campbell are the DL options here, and they are all fringy in value. While Balmer might make some sense, the value of Laurinaitis may be too good to pass up. Not sure who gets the MIKE spot (I’d go Brooks at MIKE and Laurinaitis on the weakside), but the need for talent outweighs a small issue like that.

    Cincinnati Bengals pick: LB James Laurinaitis, the Ohio State

    10. Denver Broncos

    For a bad team, I tend to think they aren’t far away from bouncing back. But … they aren’t close. There’s work to be done. A lot can be internal. Their young DL talent should get better, which will be huge. Personnel wise, their OL needs work. DT could perhaps use another body. A LB would be a thought. S is needed. Balmer/Rivers/Phillips? OL can wait and I don’t see Clady here (edit: well that's foolish of me, of course not. He came off the board already.). I think they pass on LB, and DT doesn’t make huge sense here. Nod goes to Phillips.

    Denver Broncos pick: S Kenny Phillips, the U

    11. Carolina Panthers

    Fox is looking somewhat secure, and that may mean a lot for the top pick. For a “.500” team, they have a lot of holes. A DT could be used. DE could be on the menu. LB could both be considered. Safety value is off. A QB of the future is an idea. A WR wouldn’t hurt. OT help is a thought. If Fox returns, does that imply a win now mode? I’m going to assume that they’ll bring back one of Wharton/Gross, even if it means franchising Gross. Otah? Balmer? Merling? Campbell? Rivers? Brohm? Campbell’s off and on motor may worry here after their DL’s lackadaisical season. Rivers doesn’t make much sense. Otah? I’ve got a hard time seeing that. I’m looking Merling/Brohm/Balmer and thinking that, if they are in a win-now mode, QB can wait, and they have Johnson/McClover at end, so the nod goes to Balmer and hoping he can provide an interior pass rush. Moorehead and Damione Lewis are FA’s, with Jenkins not a guarantee to be back.

    Carolina Panthers pick: DT Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina

    12. Chicago Bears

    With Phillips off, S is stricken from the list of possibilities. OT and QB? Or a sleeper 3rd option? How about a trade (number 3 “in-draft” for those keeping score)? Certainly Angelo is the type that’s liable to look for trades so

    Projected Trade:

    Dallas Cowboys get the 12th overall pick
    Chicago Bears get the 21st overall pick, the 62nd overall (well, 63rd overall but the Pats pick is forfeited) and a 3rd round pick next year

    Value is fringy but enough that I think the Bears would contemplate it. I think almost everyone anticipates the Cowboys to be active. I don’t see them with enough to grab McFadden. But this is a move that might make some sense. There aren’t many huge needs here. Safety is a concern, but if Hamlin resigns, they are fine, and if that happens, the rest of the defensive needs, outside of DB, are really depth issues. Offensively, the resigning of Crayton and the rumors of an extension for Adams would remove the two big issues there and there is depth on the OL. If the Bears stay put, I think they take Brohm, and part of me wonders if my distaste for Brohm contributes to this trade getting mocked. The other part says to me that the Bears might try to extend their window a bit, and a QB of the future in round 1 might not do that. A big part will be what happens with the QB situation. If a veteran is brought in (I don’t see McNabb/Anderson, but Grossman is a thought) that might be enough to push QB off for a round. So what do the Cowboys do here? With Arizona, New Orleans and some other teams coming up that could look corner, the Cowboys trade up here to snag the top CB on the board.

    Dallas Cowboys pick: CB Mike Jenkins, South Florida

    13. Arizona Cardinals

    Do they force this issue and move up to snag a DB? It’s certainly possible. That said, the difference between the top corners is probably minimal, and they’d likely have to move into the top 10 to snag Phillips, which I don’t see them doing unless they finish higher (draft wise). They could look OL (Otah might be someone Grimm would get excited about, assuming Grimm is there, as I could see him get HC looks). Edge is a thought. But DB is probably at the top of the list.

    Arizona Cardinals pick: CB Leodis McKelvin, Troy

    14. New Orleans Saints

    They could definitely look at CB here. LB is another possibility, as a talent upgrade would be nice. OL is a thought, but tough for me to buy here. Malcolm Jenkins may be a rare case of a junior getting nitpicked early. I don’t deny he’s good, although I’ve long questioned his quickness.

    New Orleans Saints pick: CB Malcolm Jenkins, the Ohio State

    15. Buffalo Bills

    I’m really going to have to start giving other positions and other players a thought. Too much locking in on Kelly. Does make some sense, particularly now that Fairchild is moving on. The other question is, what other positions? DT value is likely off. LB and CB are not positions I’m sold they will look at this high. DE seems unlikely. With extra assets, do they risk trading down and missing on someone if they like them? I think they stay put and hope that a Lee Evans/Malcolm Kelly/Roscoe Parrish trio, along with Marshawn, will help Trent Edwards develop faster.

    Buffalo Bills pick: WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma

    16. Houston Texans

    With only 2 picks in the first 3 rounds, Houston may look to move back.

    Projected Trade:

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers get the 16th overall
    Houston Texans get the 22nd and 87th overall (well 86th), plus a 3rd rounder in 2009

    Texans can find talent at 22 to fit their needs, particularly at RB, and perhaps at LB/OL. I wonder if the Buccaneers get aggressive and move up. Jackson is the speed guy they might be looking for, the heir apparent to Joey Galloway. Their OL has stabilized, and QB isn’t a win-now issue. Defensively, CB can wait, and there isn’t a DL talent that screams out “pick me” in this part of the first.

    Tampa Bay Buccaneers pick: WR Desean Jackson, California

    17. New England Patriots f/ Detroit Lions

    Patriots are likely to look at CB or LB here. The DB “run” continues. The critical thing for Talib will be that 40 time. It doesn’t have to be great to fit his style, but it can’t be bad. They could use CB talent even if Samuel returns. *** is a FA as well, and Hobbs is middling as a CB.

    New England Patriots pick: CB Aqib Talib, Kansas

    18. Philadelphia Eagles

    Having made the pre-draft McNabb deal, the Eagles have back to back first rounders. They very well may package everything in an effort to move up and snag more of an impact, but if they move on from McNabb, I could see them somewhat rebuild. Even though they have some depth, if they move on to Kolb, I could see some veterans trimmed from the roster, beginning with the defensive side, where Kearse seems a likely goner, and I wouldn’t be stunned if Howard moved on.

    If that happened, a lot more possibilities exist for what they could look at. WR suddenly becomes a bigger possibility as they look for better targets for Kolb. TE is already a need. OL could become an option. Secondary is still a big look. LB seems like a move for later. I wouldn’t be stunned if they looked DE again, although they do have Abiamiri to go with Juqua Thomas and Trent Cole. At this juncture, a lot of options exist.

    I wasn’t huge on Winston Justice coming out as I wasn’t sold he was a LT. He’s had his fair share of issues, and with back to back picks, I could see them looking at an OT here. Jeff Otah? Michael Oher? A lot of possibilities exist depending on the juniors that bolt. A DB could be a possibility. A WR like Manningham is a thought. The nod at one of these two junctions goes to Michael Oher. It could be 19. There seems to be growing murmurs that he may come out, and if he does, the talk is that he might be a riser.

    Philadelphia Eagles pick: OT Michael Oher, Mississippi

    19. Philadelphia Eagles f/ Minnesota Vikings

    What’s next (or at 18?) DB? WR? I’m still not sold on WR, so I lean DB between those two positions. Victor Harris has had a lot of pub and numbers this year, but in some respects, not to take away from Harris that much, that was due to having Brandon Flowers on the other side. If he runs a good 40 time, I could see him as the type of CB that Jim Johnson might like and a possibility here. My fallback option would’ve been Charles Godfrey. In saying all this, though, I end up going DE. Look, I know CB/S are the needs (safety value is lacking, CB value is fringy but okay here). But I look at the DE depth charts and I just wonder … if they have a 2nd and 2 3rd’s, might a DE like Campbell or Merling be too tempting here? It’d be more in tune with their trench focus (although CB is a position they’ve been willing to go high on) and depth.

    Philadelphia Eagles pick: DE Calais Campbell, the U

    20. Washington Redskins

    OL/WR seem like they can wait unless the Redskins make some surprising moves. Thus, this nod goes defense. DE or CB? I’m going back and forth on that, but leaning DE this time with a lot of CB value off. I think Merling has the higher value as of now, but it could very well be Calais Campbell.

    I had a trade lined up, but with some adjustments above, I pass on it here. With Campbell off, I don’t think the Redskins deal, particularly since they have most of their picks this year. Nod goes to Phillip Merling, who might end up grading higher.

    Washington Redskins pick: DE Phillip Merling, Clemson

    21. Chicago Bears f/ Cleveland Browns via Dallas Cowboys

    Can this happen? Can another top QB fall? As much as I don’t like Brian Brohm, I do acknowledge that he is a top 2 QB. If the Panthers/Bears pass on him earlier, it is possible. Even if I was trying to position the Bears away from Brohm, I walk right into it here, as there’s no way they pass him up at this point.

    Chicago Bears pick: QB Brian Brohm, Louisville

    22. Houston Texans f/ Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    I was leaning against a Texans RB pick for awhile. If they don’t trade down, I think they wait on RB. But if they do move down, I think they may become amenable to going RB, knowing they have additional assets to fill needs.

    Houston Texans pick: RB Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois

    23. Tennessee Titans

    2 WR’s are off the board. Manningham could be the look here. Not sure if I’m sold on it. DE is a thought, with Odom and LaBoy’a FA but the value seems fringy. Does Harvey or others make sense here? Nod goes WR.

    Tennessee Titans pick: WR Limas Sweed, Texas

    24. Seattle Seahawks

    Some speculation that Stewart’s 40 time may be closer to mid-4.5, which would make him more, say, Steven Jackson, who fell in the draft. I could see Seattle look for OL as well.

    Seattle Seahawks pick: RB Jonathan Stewart, Oregon

    25. Pittsburgh Steelers

    Steelers absolutely luck out. Colon might be better off as the interior replacement for Faneca and Starks is no lock to return. Considering their issues, OL has to be a priority. I gave thought to them dealing up to grab someone, well, Otah, but I decided against it, and I leaned with other players with teams that could look OL. I like Otah, and the Steelers luck out here. They can start him at RT and see how develops. He might be Marvel’s replacement long run.

    Pittsburgh Steelers pick: OT Jeff Otah, Pittsburgh

    26. San Diego Chargers

    San Diego lacks assets and I believe they could look to deal down.

    Projected Trade (in-draft #5):

    Miami Dolphins get the 26th overall pick
    San Diego Chargers get the 33rd pick and the Dolphins 4th rounder (I think they keep their 4th as I don’t think Green met the numbers required to kick up the trade return from a 5th rounder)

    This trade doesn’t slide San Diego so far down. They can still find a ready asset at 33 and have a 4th rounder to play with. I could see Miami, if they pull of the earlier trades, consider getting aggressive. Sure, they need assets, but they need top talent as well. They could use an edge guy, whatever the scheme, and with 2 2nd’s and 3 3rd’s, they still have enough assets. Harvey could be the 3-4 OLB talent that Parcells is looking for. He might remind him a tad of Demarcus Ware. A tad. There’s several teams coming up that could look for an edge guy.

    Miami Dolphins pick: OLB/DE Derrick Harvey, Florida

    27. New York Giants

    The sliding Rivers makes this pick easy … and old. Despite some OT concerns (IMO) and secondary quandaries, Rivers is too good. CB value is iffy here anyways.

    New York Giants pick: LB Keith Rivers, USC

    28. Jacksonville Jaguars

    I’d imagine that DE tops the list in regards to positional concerns after a I mocked the Coles trade. Certainly other areas that might be considered, but that has to be at the top. Jones may be an intriguing candidate. He’ll be a bit of an unknown until the postseason, but his experience inside could mesh well with the defensive scheming in Jacksonville as he moves outside.

    Jacksonville Jaguars pick: DE Jason Jones, Eastern Michigan

    29. Green Bay Packers

    OL has some concerns, but that can wait, and there’s some raw talent on hand. CB depth is needed. I’m looking at Godfrey or Lee. On a side note, I give them credit for planning ahead. If Corey Williams bolts, the depth at DT is still there.

    Green Bay Packers pick: CB Charles Godfrey, Iowa

    30. San Francisco 49ers f/ Indianapolis Colts

    QB might be on the mind. Same goes for WR. That said, which WR? Hardy? Manningham? Eh. Not sure if it’s worth it for them. DL value seems fringy. Young OL here? Seems unlikely. I’m not real sure, to be honest. Edge has to be a consideration. Ugh, not a big fan of Manningham, but he might be a first rounder if he declares and they could use more of a playmaker there. EDIT: Wait, change that, going with Duke Robinson. Not exactly a flashy pick, but Duke could replace Larry Allen, who seems likely to step aside.

    San Francisco 49ers pick: OG Duke Robinson, Oklahoma

    31. Dallas Cowboys

    After adding their CB, I could see them looking to deal again. I am thinking

    Projected Trade (in-draft #6):

    Kansas City Chiefs get the 31st overall
    Dallas Cowboys get the 39th overall and a 3rd rounder in 2009

    Dallas can still find a solid talent for their needs at 39. Kansas City is looking at the draft order and seeing several teams ahead of them in the 2nd that could go OL. Do they sit back and wait? Dallas could be interested in future assets, and I think KC might be willing to give a future 3rd up to land a LT if they like someone.

    Kansas City Chiefs pick: OT Chris Williams, Vanderbilt

    32. New England Patriots – forfeited
    Last edited by toonsterwu; 12-28-2007, 11:17 AM.

  • #2
    Good Bills pick.
    I would be mad if Malcolm Jenkins went one spot above us.


    Originally Posted by scottyboy
    my lord...I cannot imagine such a world where I can mention Raymell Rice's thighs around a girl and not be the only one sexually aroused
    But for everyone reading this in Buffalo and Cleveland and everywhere else, take solace in the following: As crazy as it sounds, you're lucky. Your Mount Everest experience is still ahead of you. It's waiting, and it's glorious.- Bill Simmons

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    • #3
      I really don't know anything about McKlevin, why did he rise up the board so fast , what makes him better than Malcolmn Jenkins, It doesn't look as if he had an amazing year or anything. Either way it's the right position and if our scouts deem him worthy of it i wouldn't mind.

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      • #4
        I like Oaklands pick.
        "The liberator who destroys my property, is fighting to save my spirit. The teacher who clears all possessions from my path will set me free."-Tyler Durden

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        • #5
          Projected Trade:

          Detroit Lions get the 8th overall
          New England Patriots get the 17th overall, the Lions 4th rounder this year and a 2nd rounder in 2009

          Patriots move down and pick up an additional midround asset. They still have a first to address needs at CB/LB. I can’t see OL unless someone gets moved. Lions are in a critical year. Their staff may get reworked, and the M and M boys may be on the hot seat. They may consider trying to improve the OL. Yes, there are other needs, but the two DT values are off, and Redding was signed to a huge deal. Ikaika Alama-Francis might be better off as an interior pass rusher in the Tampa 2. An end is a thought, but if they still have a 2nd/3rd, they have the ability to find one then. CB depth is probably something they wait on or go try and find in FA, and they can probably find LB’s later, or in FA, as well. If they wait, they may miss out on OT’s, and they need OT help. And I’m not sold that Cincinnati or Denver would necessarily trade down, so this might be their spot to target.

          Detroit Lions pick: OT Ryan Clady, Boise State
          I really don't get this one toonster . . . Detroit needs a tackle, but they can't exhaust their picks to go up and get one considering CB is every bit as big of a need, and they could have had a good one where they were picking and still have all their picks. Detroit is gonna go defense, defense, defense, IMO.
          R.I.P. L.E.F.
          "I am the one who knocks!"

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          • #6
            Glenn Dorsey = A++++

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            • #7
              Originally posted by toonsterwu View Post
              New England Patriots get OLB/DE Jason Taylor
              Miami Dolphins get the 71st overall pick

              For all the talk about keeping Taylor, if the right deal came along for Parcells, Iíve got a tough time buying that heíd pass. He knows he needs to retool, and as solid as Taylor may be for a year, two, if not three, heís not in the long range plans for obvious reasons. Taylor isnít garnering a first. Tough to gauge his value. Part of me says a 2nd is too high. The other part says no. I settle on the Patriots early 3rd from the Raiders. It could very well be the 64th overall instead. I donít think the Patriots would mind that, but Iím going with the 71st for now. The Patriots could look for an outside backer and an inside backer this offseason. Colvinís been banged up and only has one year left on his deal.
              So you see the Dolphins sending a pro bowl defensive end and one of their all time best players to a division rival for a third round pick.


              Ooooooooookay.

              Originally posted by toonsterwu View Post
              New York Jets get the 92nd overall pick
              Jacksonville Jaguars get WR Laveranues Coles

              Jacksonville is still searching for a WR. The Jets may decide to part ways with Coles. Is a 3rd rounder too high? Perhaps. That said, it is a late 3rd. I just wonder if the Jaguars may be wary of going back into the draft and searching for a WR and counting on that WR sooner than later. They may very well add another WR, but adding a veteran like Coles gives the kid time to develop. Wilford is a FA, and Jones hasnít developed, leaving Northcutt/Reggie Williams as the top guys. While Coles has lost a step, if not 2 or 3, heís still a solid veteran receiver. Funny to think how Peter Warrick was the guy with huge expectations coming out of college.
              I say this is a pretty poor trade on part of the Jets. They proved that without Coles, they can't field a receiver group that is anything more than terrible. Cotchery can be a good #2, but he is not a #1 and nobody else in that group can make a very strong case that they even belong in the NFL.

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              • #8
                I wanna know who Dallas gets at 39. I really like Chris Williams as a budding replacement for Flozell. I'm not sold on Doug Free even though I did like him as a 4th round pick last year. A top talent would make me sleep easier.

                BTW, Crayton resigned yesterday. 4 YRS, $14M.

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                • #9
                  Thats my ideal Texans situation. Id love to see a tradedown into the 20's to grab a RB (Mendenhall preferred), and an extra pick if Phillips is gone (likely), and thats what you have happening. Good stuff.

                  Kudos on another excellent overall read.




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                  • #10
                    wait wait.....so woodsons not even in the first round?

                    if the bears trade down with that success and have a choice between woodson and brohm, id personally like them to go woodson.

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                    • #11
                      vikes give up way too much in that trade
                      i dont think they would give away so much for an oft-injured quarterback whos been ineffective for most of the season

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by nemesis3394 View Post
                        vikes give up way too much in that trade
                        i dont think they would give away so much for an oft-injured quarterback whos been ineffective for most of the season
                        yeah, exactly. and i dont think the bears or anyone would for all that. not worth it at all...

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                        • #13
                          Well, after this weekend either the Jets or the Chiefs will be picking after the Raiders, unless the Raiders beat the Bolts. Which means there is a good chance, under your framework, the Raiders could get Chris Long or Glenn Dorsey, I like that. Not too sold on Ellis as a run stuffer at the next level, at least not someone who can come in and help the Raiders horrible run defense, but i won't complain if we get him. I would love if the Raiders could trade for Vilma, not sure if they have anything to trade though.
                          Last edited by gdamac; 12-28-2007, 03:22 PM.

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                          • #14
                            i like merling but rd 1 seems early for him dont you think? what makes you think hes a first rounder?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by gdamac View Post
                              I would love if the Raiders could trade for Vilma

                              But the Raiders have Kirk Morrison.

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