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  • Shane's Pre-Combine Mock Draft

    Few things:

    1. REMEMBER, not every team drafts strictly on need. Not every team drafts strictly on who you think fits each system. Some teams will surprise, overvalue or undervalue specific players.

    2. REMEMBER, this is not how I see the value of the prospects but how I project the NFL to. Some of the players I am projecting based on what I think they will do at the combine, some, not so much.

    3. Finally, a mock isn't meant to be EXACTLY what the draft will be. It actually is more useful as a tool to explore different situations and possibilities. I tweaked some of the "normal" picks we see (while keeping some,) to see how the situations will unfold themselves.


    Round 1
    1. Carolina (2-14) – Da’Quan Bowers DE/Clemson
    2. Denver (4-12) – Patrick Peterson CB/LSU
    3. Buffalo (4-12) – Nick Fairley DE/Auburn
    4. Cincinnati (4-12) – Cam Newton QB/Auburn
    5. Arizona (5-11) – Von Miller LB/Texas A&M
    6. Cleveland (5-11) – AJ Green WR/Georgia
    7. San Francisco (6-10) – Prince Amukamara CB/Nebraska
    8. Tennessee (6-10) – Blaine Gabbert QB/Missouri
    9. Dallas (6-10) – Marcell Dareus DE/Alabama
    10. Washington (6-10) – J.J. Watt DE/Wisconsin
    11. Houston (6-10) – Robert Quinn LB/North Carolina
    12. Minnesota (6-10) – Cameron Jordan DE/Cal
    13. Detroit (6-10) – Akeem Ayers LB/UCLA
    14. St. Louis (7-9) – Julio Jones WR/Alabama
    15. Miami (7-9) – Jimmy Smith CB/Colorado
    16. Jacksonville (8-8) – Aldon Smith LB/Missouri
    17. New England - from Oakland (8-8) – Gabe Carimi OT/Wisconsin
    18. San Diego (9-7) – Tyron Smith OT/USC
    19. New York Giants (10-6) – Martez Wilson LB/Illinois
    20. Tampa Bay (10-6) – Adrian Clayborn DE/Iowa
    21. Kansas City* (10-6) – Justin Houston LB/Georgia
    22. Indianapolis* (10-6) – Mark Ingram RB/Alabama
    23. Philadelphia* (10-6) – Anthony Castonzo OT/Boston College
    24. New Orleans* (11-5) – Stephen Paea DT/Oregon State
    25. Seattle* (7-9) – Corey Liuget DT/Illinois
    26. Baltimore* (12-4) – Brandon Harris CB/Miami
    27. Atlanta* (13-3) – Ryan Kerrigan DE/Purdue
    28. New England* (14-2) – Cameron Heyward DE/Ohio State
    29. Chicago* (11-5) – Christian Ballard DT/Iowa
    30. New York Jets* (11-5) – Jonathan Baldwin WR/Pittsburgh
    31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) – Aaron Williams CB/Texas
    32. Green Bay* (10-6) – Brooks Reed LB/Arizona


    Round 2
    1. New England - from Carolina (2-14) – Torrey Smith WR/Maryland
    2. Buffalo (4-12) – Kyle Rudolph TE/Notre Dame
    3. Cincinnati (4-12) – Ryan Williams RB/Virginia Tech
    4. Denver (4-12) – Drake Nevis DT/LSU
    5. Cleveland (5-11) – Allen Bailey DE/Miami
    6. Arizona (5-11) – Nate Solder OT/Colorado
    7. Tennessee (6-10) – Muhammad Wilkerson DT/Temple
    8. Dallas (6-10) – Derek Sherrod OT/Mississippi State
    9. Washington (6-10) – Jake Locker QB/Washington
    10. Houston (6-10) – Phil Taylor DT/Baylor
    11. Minnesota (6-10) – Ryan Mallett QB/Arkansas
    12. Detroit (6-10) – Davon House CB/New Mexico State
    13. San Francisco (6-10) – Christian Ponder QB/Florida State
    14. Denver - from Miami (7-9) – Mason Foster LB/Washington
    15. St. Louis (7-9) – Rahim Moore S/UCLA
    16. Oakland (8-8) – Chykie Brown CB/Texas
    17. Jacksonville (8-8) – Edmond Gates WR/Abilene Christian
    18. San Diego (9-7) – Jeremy Beal LB/Oklahoma
    19. Tampa Bay (10-6) – Lance Kendricks TE/Wisconsin
    20. New York Giants (10-6) – Stefen Wisniewski OG/Penn State
    21. Indianapolis* (10-6) – Ben Ijalana OT/Villanova
    22. Philadelphia* (10-6) – Curtis Brown CB/Texas
    23. Kansas City* (10-6) – Randall Cobb WR/Kentucky
    24. New Orleans* (11-5) – Mikel Leshoure RB/Illinois
    25. Seattle* (7-9) – Marcus Cannon OG/TCU
    26. Baltimore* (12-4) – Leonard Hankerson WR/Miami
    27. Atlanta* (13-3) – Titus Young WR/Boise State
    28. New England* (14-2) – Ahmad Black S/Florida
    29. San Diego - from New York Jets* (11-5) – Jerrel Jernigan WR/Troy
    30. Chicago* (11-5) – Danny Watkins OG/Baylor
    31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) – Mike Pouncey OG/Florida
    32. Green Bay* (10-6) – Rodney Hudson OG/Florida State


    


Round 3
    1. Carolina (2-14) – Brandon Burton CB/Utah
    2. Cincinnati (4-12) – Marvin Austin DT/North Carolina
    3. Denver (4-12) – Luke Stocker TE/Tennessee
    4. Buffalo (4-12) – Colin Kaepernick QB/Nevada
    5. Arizona (5-11) – Kendric Burney CB/North Carolina
    6. Cleveland (5-11) – Orlando Franklin OT/Miami
    7. Dallas (6-10) – Curtis Marsh CB/Utah State
    8. New Orleans - from Washington (6-10) – Bruce Carter LB/North Carolina
    9. Houston (6-10) – Jeron Johnson S/Boise State
    10. New England - from Minnesota (6-10) – Sam Acho LB/Texas
    11. Detroit (6-10) – John Moffitt C/Wisconsin
    12. San Francisco (6-10) – Jabaal Sheard LB/Pittsburgh
    13. Tennessee (6-10) – Clint Boling OG/Georgia
    14. St. Louis (7-9) – Taiwan Jones RB/Eastern Washington
    15. Miami (7-9) – Kendall Hunter RB/Oklahoma State
    16. Jacksonville (8-8) – Will Rackley OG/Lehigh
    17. Oakland (8-8) – Dontay Moch LB/Nevada
    18. San Diego (9-7) – Ras-I Dowling CB/Virginia
    19. New York Giants (10-6) – Daniel Thomas RB/Kansas State
    20. Tampa Bay (10-6) – Mark Herzlich LB/Boston College
    21. Philadelphia* (10-6) – Quan Sturdivant LB/North Carolina
    22. Kansas City* (10-6) – Kelvin Sheppard LB/LSU
    23. Indianapolis* (10-6) – Greg Little WR/North Carolina
    24. New Orleans* (11-5) – Colin McCarthy LB/Miami
    25. San Diego - from Seattle* (7-9) – Jurrell Casey DE/USC
    26. Baltimore* (12-4) – Jarvis Jenkins DE/Clemson
    27. Atlanta* (13-3) – DeMarco Murray RB/Oklahoma
    28. New England* (14-2) – Jordan Todman RB/UConn
    29. Chicago* (11-5) – Johnny Patrick CB/Louisville
    30. New York Jets* (11-5) – Kendrick Ellis DT/Hampton
    31. Pittsburgh* (12-4) – DJ Williams TE/Arkansas
    32. Green Bay* (10-6) - Rashad Carmichael CB/Virginia Tech
    Last edited by Shane P. Hallam; 02-21-2011, 02:27 PM.


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  • #2
    Based on what we know about how the Pats draft it is very possible they don't take a pass rusher high in the draft. That being said Ryan Kerrigan seems to meet a lot of what Belichick looks for and would be a very good pick at 17. However it is a pretty realistic draft for the Patriots and one I wouldn't be overly disappointed in


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Shane P. Hallam View Post
      Few things:

      1. REMEMBER, not every team drafts strictly on need. Not every team drafts strictly on who you think fits each system. Some teams will surprise, overvalue or undervalue specific players.

      2. REMEMBER, this is not how I see the value of the prospects but how I project the NFL too. Some of the players I am projecting based on what I think they will do at the combine, some, not so much.

      3. Finally, a mock isn't meant to be EXACTLY what the draft will be. It actually is more useful as a tool to explore different situations and possibilities. I tweaked some of the "normal" picks we see (while keeping some,) to see how the situations will unfold themselves.
      What is this all about??? Mocks are intended to please every teams fans by giving them the best player at their biggest position of need who fits their scheme perfectly. What is all this projection stuff? ;)

      Nice work Shane-o. Harris, Hank and Jenkins is alright. You can never go wrong with bringing in two Canes. I will say this about the Jarvis Jenkins pick...the Ravens run a lot of 3-4 over which almost ends up turning into almost a 4-3 and the DE opposite of Ngata (Corey Redding in our case) plays almost like a 4-3 LDE at times. I don't see Jenkins as someone really suited to do that and we have Art Jones (who the coaching staff is very high on) backing up Ngata. Now Jenkins is not out of the question at all and neither is a slight shift in our base defensive fronts with a change in coordinator. Just thought it was something that should be noted.

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      • #4
        Gotcha. I think Jenkins versatility will make him more valued by Baltimore than anyone else. I feel he could play anywhere on their defensive line due to the scheme. Move inside to nose, play outside, back-up Ngata, etc.


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        • #5
          Cameron Jordan and Ryan Mallett. That is the bomb.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Shane P. Hallam View Post
            Gotcha. I think Jenkins versatility will make him more valued by Baltimore than anyone else. I feel he could play anywhere on their defensive line due to the scheme. Move inside to nose, play outside, back-up Ngata, etc.
            Agree. I've seen him projected to us on numerous occasions but mostly just as a 3-4 DE which seems a bit off schematically. Though I do like your idea of bringing him in as a versatile interior player.

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            • #7
              why Cobb over Hankerson in the 2nd?just curious

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TACKLE View Post
                Agree. I've seen him projected to us on numerous occasions but mostly just as a 3-4 DE which seems a bit off schematically. Though I do like your idea of bringing him in as a versatile interior player.
                I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see a 4-3 team bring him in as a Nose, or even specific 3-4 teams (Houston, etc,) bring him in as a Nose. He is versatile and I've talked to a few who think that will help him massively on draft day.


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                • #9
                  I'm all for Locker if it's the 2nd round or at worst a trade up into the late first. As for Watt would understand the pick but wouldn't be thrilled by it. Definitely would prefer Cam Jordan although really I wouldn't want any Dlineman at 10 other than Darreus. We have some decent bodies on the line and I think we would benefit more from another rush backer to go along with Orakpo like Quinn or a receiver above 6 feet tall like Julio.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T-RICH49 View Post
                    why Cobb over Hankerson in the 2nd?just curious
                    A bit more versatility. I think Pioli would take the risk of Cobb over Hankerson IMO.


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                    • #11
                      I like the Locker pick for the Skins - but only if like in your mock we take him in the second round. I do not think the skins need to take a QB in the first round as well. I really like Watt...but I think I would prefer to skins took Quinn and paired him on the other side of Orakpo. Good job overall.

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                      • #12
                        I love the Ryan Williams pick. But that's about the extent of me liking this one.

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                        • #13
                          I don't think the Patriots will pick Carimi - he's not a great fit for zone blocking, which is the cornerstone of Dante Scarnecchia's system. I'd argue he's easily the least athletic of the first-round offensive tackle prospects. New England will probably re-sign Matt Light unless his status as the team's player rep to the NFLPA prevents that somehow like it did for Kevin Mawae. Regardless, I think the Patriots pass on an OT in the first. Tyron Smith is a possibility given his experience at right tackle and athleticism though. I also think Castonzo, Solder, and Derek Sherrod are more likely than Carimi. They have the athleticism and technique that would intrigue the team. Ryan Kerrigan would be my choice there of course - great pedigree, intangibles, size, experience, production, etc. I think it'd be a perfect fit.

                          Heyward works at #28. I really doubt the Patriots will take Torrey Smith though. Not the kind of receiver the team usually targets, and they have much bigger needs than a receiver who's unpolished as a route runner and catches passes with his body. I'd have drafted Kerrigan, Heyward or Wilkerson, and Solder thus far. Solder reminds me of Vollmer a bit, so that could really appeal to the Patriots.

                          I could see Ahmad Black being the pick, but when New England fired Corwin Brown after one season working with the secondary and moved Matt Patricia from linebackers to safeties, I think that signaled that the team felt Meriweather wasn't being coached properly and wants to give him another chance with the team's most talented defensive coach, so Danny Watkins or Mike Pouncey would be better there. Acho is a great fit, I could see that but I don't think the Patriots will wait until the third round to get a pass rusher if they have an opportunity to land one earlier. Moffitt and Boling would be good fits at that spot. Todman is possible given Belichick's admiration for Randy Edsall.

                          My guesses based on who's left (keeping in mind team captains, seniors, system fit, size requirements, tendencies etc.):

                          1. Ryan Kerrigan
                          1. Cameron Heyward
                          2. Nate Solder
                          2. Mike Pouncey
                          3. Clint Boling
                          3. Shane Vereen

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                          • #14
                            I'm not hearing great things about Kerrigan and his NFL fit. Maybe that bodes well for NE picking him, but I'm not so sure there. Carimi could move inside to guard, and he COULD work in a ZBS if need be.


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                            • #15
                              I want to bathe myself in that Saints mock

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