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  • A mid-combine mock with some trades

    1 Carolina Panthers - Robert Quinn DE/OLB UNC
    2 Denver Broncos - Da’Quan Bowers DE Clemson
    3 Buffalo Bills - Marcell Dareus DL Alabama
    4 Cincinnati Bengals - Cam Newton QB Auburn
    5 Arizona Cardinals - Von Miller, DE
    **TRADE CLE receives #9+DAL 3rd**
    6 Dallas Cowboys - Patrick Peterson, CB
    7 San Francisco 49ers - Prince Amukamara, CB
    8 Tennessee Titans - Blaine Gabbert, QB
    9 Cleveland Browns - AJ Green, WR
    10 Washington Redskins - Julio Jones, WR
    **TRADE HOU receives #15 + MIA 3rd + MIA 2012 3rd**
    11 Miami Dolphins - Jake Locker, QB
    12 Minnesota Vikings - Cameron Jordan, DL
    13 Detroit Lions - Akeem Ayers, LB
    14 St. Louis Rams - Nick Fairley, DL
    **TRADE HOU receives #17+NE 4th**
    15 New England Patriots - Aldon Smith, DE/LB
    16 Jacksonville Jaguars - Ryan Kerrigan, DE
    17 Houston Texans - Brandon Harris, CB
    18 San Diego Chargers - JJ Watt, DE
    19 New York Giants - Anthony Castanzo, OT
    **TRADE TB receives #22+IND 4th**
    20 Indianapolis Colts - Tyron Smith, OT
    21 Kansas City Chiefs - Jon Baldwin, WR
    22 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Adrian Clayborn, DE
    23 Philadelphia Eagles - Derrek Sherrod, OT
    24 New Orleans Saints - Mark Ingram, RB
    25 Seattle Seahawks - Corey Luiget, DT
    26 Baltimore Ravens - Aaron Williams, CB
    27 Atlanta Falcons - Allen Bailey, DE
    28 New England Patriots - Cameron Heyward, DL
    29 Chicago Bears - Gabe Carimi, OT
    30 New York Jets - Justin Houston, OLB
    31 Pittsburgh Steelers - Mike Pouncey, OL
    32 Green Bay Packers - Brooks Reed, LB

    33 New England Patriots - Nate Solder, OL
    Breed's QB Philosophy:
    Originally posted by Breed
    At the end of the day...

    Mobility > Accuracy

  • #2
    Great Saints pick! Spot on!

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    • #3
      I think that is exactly what Dallas plans to do if PP falls to #6, good job.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Seasonticketholder View Post
        Great Saints pick! Spot on!
        TERRRRRIBLE saints picks, the saints barely need a running back, if any at all and to boot there is good value at the actual spot available.

        Also and I cannot stress this enough, Ingram is a bad fit saints as the only way Ingram can be an above average back is in a run-first offense and the Saints will never run a run-first offense under Payton. It is also problematic that the only vaguely valid (although not sufficient) reason to draft a running back high for the saints is because of health issues and whilst injuries arent a huge red flag with ingram he does have his issues there as well.

        Picking Ingram would make me punch little babies if it were to happen on draft day.


        Saints 2014 draft wish list:
        - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
        - Corner or Wideout in the first
        - No reaching
        - No Kelvin Benjamin

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        • #5
          Originally posted by wicket View Post
          TERRRRRIBLE saints picks, the saints barely need a running back, if any at all and to boot there is good value at the actual spot available.

          Also and I cannot stress this enough, Ingram is a bad fit saints as the only way Ingram can be an above average back is in a run-first offense and the Saints will never run a run-first offense under Payton. It is also problematic that the only vaguely valid (although not sufficient) reason to draft a running back high for the saints is because of health issues and whilst injuries arent a huge red flag with ingram he does have his issues there as well.

          Picking Ingram would make me punch little babies if it were to happen on draft day.
          Who would you take?
          Breed's QB Philosophy:
          Originally posted by Breed
          At the end of the day...

          Mobility > Accuracy

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BradysKnee View Post
            Who would you take?
            For me Heyward without doubt, but Paea would be another good pick. Basically just choose the top rated front 7 player with exception of pure ILBs and pure 5-techs


            Saints 2014 draft wish list:
            - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
            - Corner or Wideout in the first
            - No reaching
            - No Kelvin Benjamin

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            • #7
              You forgot the rest of the second round lol!
              The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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              • #8
                Trade down and still get Green= the perfect scenario for the Browns! Though I'll admit Jones' stunning combine numbers are intriguing...

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                • #9
                  I can dig Cam Jordan.

                  Bonekrusher.

                  Originally posted by JordanTaber
                  Football...it's rocket surgery now, folks.

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                  • #10
                    Yes. Yeeeeees.

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                    • #11
                      Seattle

                      The way it plays out here i'd take Stephen Paea or even Jimmy Smith.

                      Not sold on Cam Newton that high.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by wicket View Post
                        TERRRRRIBLE saints picks, the saints barely need a running back, if any at all and to boot there is good value at the actual spot available.

                        Also and I cannot stress this enough, Ingram is a bad fit saints as the only way Ingram can be an above average back is in a run-first offense and the Saints will never run a run-first offense under Payton. It is also problematic that the only vaguely valid (although not sufficient) reason to draft a running back high for the saints is because of health issues and whilst injuries arent a huge red flag with ingram he does have his issues there as well.

                        Picking Ingram would make me punch little babies if it were to happen on draft day.
                        Hide your babies! Because if Ingram is there, I think he's the pick.

                        Listen, you and I are not going to agree on this one. I see the Saints having a need at the position, you do not. The Saints see themselves as having a need. Payton's interview with Brian Allee-Walsh a couple of weeks ago was very revealing, especially when he talked about his vision for some of the backs in the offense. He stated he saw Ivory as Mike Bell (i.e. the finisher). Bush is Bush, and Payton envisions a role for him; he expects him back. But he was very non-committal on Pierre. There's scuttlebutt that Pierre won't be back on the team. So who then fills Pierre's role? Ingram is a more talented version of Thomas. He has good hands, is not a blazer but can run between the tackles. I do not know that Ingram needs to be a run-first offense to excel. Ingram is a guy you can expect to give the ball 15 to 17 times a game with Ivory handling the rest of the load and Bush being used in a multi-dimensional sort of way.

                        In order for the Saints to run at an optimum level--and I have heard Payton not only suggest this but also Marshall Faulk and Jamie Dukes at the combine--we need to have a strong running game. The one year this team made it to the Superbowl, we were able to run the ball very well. Every other year, we have not acquitted ourselves well in that department. And while our offense can score points and Drew will still be among the best, we are unable to get over the hump. Let me just say, this is not a reaction to the injuries we had last year. It's looking at our team and saying that other than the 2009-2010 season, our rushing offense has ranked 28th or worst. But it's not just yards per game, but yards per carry. Payton says when you do run it, you want to be successful doing so whether is 10 times a game or 30 times a game. In addition, we see the type of quarterback Drew can be when he has a strong running game. Last season, teams found a way to prevent us from having success with the deep ball mainly because they did not have to respect our running game. The only time we really looked good in all phases on offense was when Ivory was healthy. Ivory is a solid back but he's not going to carry the load alone. We know who Bush is; he's not bust. He's a very solid all-around threat but not a guy who will be allowed to carry it 15 times a game. With everyone from Pat Yasinkas to some of the local media speculating Pierre won't be back, we certainly cannot hang our hats on hoping that Ivory won't get hurt or that Lionel Hamilton will be the man, especially given the fact that he's coming off injury.

                        Originally posted by BradysKnee View Post
                        Who would you take?
                        Please do not pay any attention to wicket in this regard. He's personally against taking a back. The Saints need a RB, and Ingram is the ONLY guy worthy of a first round pick at the position. He fits our offense well and would be a perfect complement to Chris Ivory and Reggie Bush.

                        Originally posted by wicket View Post
                        For me Heyward without doubt, but Paea would be another good pick. Basically just choose the top rated front 7 player with exception of pure ILBs and pure 5-techs
                        See, this is what bothers me. Some of us are so willing to take a front-seven player that we would rather reach for a guy or take a guy who doesn't necessarily fit than to take a better player at a key position of need. Heyward is a 5-tech. Can he play in a 4-3? Sure. And I like his versatility. But the argument all off-season has been that we need a guy who can get up the field and rush the passer. 3.5 sacks?! C'mon. Alex Brown was not effective at generating a consistent pass rush but he did play well against the run. Not spectacular but solid. Heyward gives you that but he's not going to be a 10 sack-a-year guy. But because he plays defense, we're willing to take him over a guy who could complete our RB corp and help us to finish games in the fourth quarter--something we could not do at times last season. And with Paea. Scouts see him as a 3-tech. He's not a true NT. He's a versatile guy who can play both DT positions much like Sed Ellis. Similar size on both guys. We need more of a true NT. You can add a true NT like a Phil Taylor, Sione Fua, Jarvis Jenkins, Kenrick Ellis or Jerrell Powe later and they would all help our defense. They would free Ellis up to make more plays. Ellis has the talent to be a star in this league but he takes on too many double and triple teams. Now, if Paea was there in the second round, I would jump all over him because of the value of the pick. But in the first, I am thinking, why take a player who is not a true NT when I can get a true NT in a later round who would allow Ellis to emerge just as much as Paea would? For me, Paea then has to be SPECIAL--really SPECIAL--for me to privilege him over, say, Ingram or even a DE like Smith or Kerrigan or Houston.

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                        • #13
                          That is as good as it gets for the Pats.

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                          • #14
                            WTF would we trade UP for Jake Locker!? Pretty sure he'd be there at 15. Ugh, Patsies fans.

                            Dolphins Dream Draft: 1. Jaylon Smith 2. Artie Burns 3. Landon Turner

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                            • #15
                              I like Cam Jordan, but if we passed on Nick Fairley for him I may punch myself in the face to death.


                              www.minnesotavikingsnation.com

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