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    1. Carolina Blaine Gabbert, Missouri QB
    It seems most people agree Carolina is likely to take a quarterback just a year after spending their first pick on a QB; we are just not sure which one. I appear to be one of the last Gabbert supporters on this forum, and although I think is around the tenth best player in this draft, the Panthers have to take him because of positional value and his immense long-term upside. I personally donít care about his lack of gaudy numbers last season. His receivers couldnít do squat with the ball, and he was playing in an offense that I donít believe fit his skills. Ndamukong Suh may have been far better than Sam Bradford last year, but the Rams donít come that close to the playoffs if they draft Suh.
    2. Denver Marcel Dareus, Alabama DT
    In what may be the most comfortable marriage of player and team in the draft, this just makes too much sense not to happen. Dareus was a killer 3-4 DE at Bama, but it is inside in John Foxs 4-man front where he will make his millions. His hands, footwork and motor are reminiscent of Gerald McCoy from last, but Dareus is much stouter when fully engaged by O linemen.
    3. Buffalo Von Miller, Texas A&M OLB
    I think this pick ultimately will come down to Cam Newton as a human being. The Bills place as much emphasis on character as any team in the league, and I think that will disqualify Newton, especially at the very public QB position. Miller, often regarded as one of the highest character players at the top of the draft is not only a personality fit, but fills a huge hole. I know many Bills fans on here are adament that Buffalo will not be taking an OLB, but I donít know how they can be satisfied with one of the worst pass rushes in the league. I heard somewhere that Buffalo had 27 sack last season. Miller has had that many on his own the past two years, and he was hurt for a good deal of that time. I have already conceded that this pick probably wont happen, because it makes too much sense. Theyíll probably take Nate Solder.
    4. Cincinnati Julio Jones, Alabama WR
    Mike Brown is as stubborn as it gets, and I donít think he is budging one inch on this Carson Palmer fiasco. Instead of admitting QB is a huge need whether or not Palmer returns, I think Brown tries to lure Palmer back with an elite weapon. Jones gets the nod over Green, because he has better triangle numbers and fits perfectly in the West Coast offense the Bengals are switching to this season. Jones is better after the catch and is one of the best blocking receivers to come along in a while. Thatís a good thing for a team that has publicly stated it wants to get back to a power running mentality.
    5. Arizona Patrick Peterson, LSU CB
    Another team passes on Cam Newton because of big on and off-field question marks. CB might not be Arizonas top need, but Peterson is the top player on many teams boards. Pairing with DRC, the Cards have two potential shutdown corners, offering a great deal of flexiblity in designing blitz packages. With Peterson on board, The Cards might legitimitely have one of the best Ds in the game, especially if they can get their pass rush in order. Look for them to be active in the QB market once the lockout ends.

    Minnesota trade 2011 first and second to Cleveland for No. 6 overall
    6. Minnesota* Cam Newton, Auburn QB
    In the first trade of the draft, the Vikes forfeit the last of their remaining Day Two picks to get their guy under center. A massively souped-up version of incumbant Joe Webb, Newton fits the Vikings MO of drafting gigantis uber-athletes at all positions. Trouble for Noewton is he will have to play right away. For a team of veterans whos window for a Super Bowl is actually still open but closing fast, we will get to see a lot of Newtons resolve very early in his career if he goes to the twin cities.
    7. San Francisco Aldon Smith, Missouri OLB
    Call it a hunch, but I believe a lot of 3-4 teams will have Smith rated ahead of Robert Quinn because of his length and incredible open-field ability. Seriously, this guy makes plays in space like a natural LB. Pass rusher is typically valued higher than CB, so Smith gets the nod here over Amukamara, although both would be enormous upgrades over what they currently have on their roster.
    8. Tennessee Nick Fairley, Auburn DT
    The Titans hired Auburn D line coach Tracy Rocker this offseason and have been missing an impact player on defense since Albert Haynesworth signed his lucractive reitrement, er, free agent contract with Washington. Fairley is similar in talent to Dareus, but questions about his motivation could lead him to drop even further than this.

    St. Louis trades 2011 first and third to Dallas for No. 9 overall
    9. St. Louis* A.J. Green, Georgia WR
    In a scenario too good to be true, the Rams see possibly their top-rated player in the whole draft at their biggest need drop to the bottom portion of the top ten. They also have an eager trading partner in Dallas who sees nothing of value to them at this juncture. Green fits perfectly in St. Louis O and gives them their first bona fide No. 1 since Torry Holt moved on.

    New England trades 2011 first (No.17) and scond (No. 60) to Washington for No. 10 overall
    10. New England* Robert Quinn, North Carolina OLB
    The Pats have too many picks. On top of that, they lack an impact edge rusher. They will not be able to get one of the better rushers for their scheme if they wait to pick at 17, so a move here makes perfect sense. Quinn has a benign brain tumor, making him somewhat of a risky pick, but if anyone can afford the risk, it is New England.
    11. Houston Prince Amukamara, Nebraska CB
    Ideal scenario for the Texans, who get the last elite CB in the draft to help supplement possibly the worst secondary the NFL has seen in the last twenty years. Amukamara is a truly elite prospect who has experienced a minor downturn in his stock this postseason. If he starts to slide, donít rule out the Texans making a slight move upwards in order to secure him. If Amukamara is not wearing a Texans hat April 28, shame on them.
    12. Cleveland* Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue DE
    The Browns collect an extra second rounder and still get their choice of quality D linemen, which they need badly. Kerrigans high motor and higher character make a perfect fit with GM Tom Heckert and President Mike Holmgren and should make him a fan favorite in the downtrodden, blue-collar city. If the Browns donít use their first round pick, wherever they select, to ease their transition to a 4-3, they will not have succeeded in my book.

    Indianapolis trades 2011 first and second to Detroit for No. 13 overall
    13. Indianapolis* Tyron Smith, USC OT
    Bill Polian has already publicly lamented passing on the opportunity to pick Rodger Saffold last year and might be a little on tilt this draft with a zealous desire to protect the eighth best player in NFL history, who has started to show signs of wear and tear the past few seasons. Smith fits the prototype Polian has been looking for in all his prospects over the years. Polian values big program experience and prefers athleticism to size.
    14. Dallas* Anthony Castonzo, Boston College OT
    Lots of people have been projecting Dallas to take an O linemen at 9, but a move down would make that decision far more palatable. Castonzo is viewed as one of the safer O linemen in this draft, and would provide a considerable upgrade at RIGHT tackle, with Jerry opting to address the secondary later in the draft.

    Seattle trade 2011 first and second and 2012 third to Miami for No. 15 overall
    15. Seattle* Jake Locker, Washington QB
    Not a pick I would be in favor of, but if the Seachickens have targeted the local product, they might feel they need to jump the Skins in order to make that selection. Aside from the PR angle of this move, Pete Carroll actually coached against Locker twice and lost to him once. Locker was fantastic in Carrolls last year in college, so there might be a residual affinity. Ideally, Locker can sit behind Matt Hasselbeck for one season, while he works on developing his pro-style mechanics.
    16. Jacksonville DaQuan Bowers, Clemson DE
    Unthinkable just a week ago, Bowers is on the downhill due to potentially severe medical concerns and a less than stellar pro day. Wherever Bowers is taken, he will be a risk, but the Jags have been long for No. 1 pass rusher for too long to not take this risk. If Bowers can put his consistency and injury issues behind him, he is a top 5 talent.
    17. Washington* Christian Ponder, Florida State QB
    Mike Shanahan likes to be cute and quirky, and it wouldnít be a stretch to think he falls in love with the fast-rising Ponder. Ponder already has an MBA and looks and sounds like a starting NFL QB. A reserved, cerebral person, life just seems to come easily for Ponder, and I really think he ends up in the first round somewhere. Also, Shanny love athletic QBs and Ponder has great mobility.
    18. San Diego JJ Watt, Wisconsin DE
    I admit I will be surprised if both Watt and Jordan are both available here. The draft breaks beautifully for the Chargers, with their top positions of need meshing well with the positions likely to have values at this point in the draft. Watt has sort of become the consensus top 5 tech in the draft, and The Chargers might even trade up to secure Watt. We have seen before, AJ Smith is not shy about making deals on draft day if he sees a guy he has to have.
    19. Giants Nate Solder, Colorado OT
    Jerry Reese is a Height-Weight-Speed guy and the Giants have not addressed the O line in the first round in a long time. Solder is an imposing presence, but his technique is FAR from ideal. David Diehl isnt so bad that he must be replaced now, but if Solder can develop into the type of players he is expected to be, he will be a significant upgrade.

    New England trades 2011 first and third to Tampa Bay for No. 20 overall
    20. New England* Cameron Jordan, California DE
    Like I said, the Pats have too many picks and are not in a position to let the draft fall to them without sacrificing quality. Jordan is a guy everybody loves, but because of the position he plays could very well fall. Jordan should become a player at a similar level to Ty Warren, who the Pats drafted No. 13 overall in 2003. Admit it Pats fans, you have to be jonesing for the chance to pick up Quinn and Jordan in the first.
    21. Kansas City Phil Taylor, Baylor DT
    The Chiefs have invested heavily on the D line over the years but still have a gaping hole at nose tackle. Taylor is the only first round nose tackle in the draft, unless you would consider Stephen Paea for that role. Taylor is an immense physical talent who carries 340 pounds as well as any human I have ever seen. The question for Taylor is character, which could make this selection tenuous since the Chiefs put a heavy emphasis on character.
    22. Detroit* Jimmy Smith, Colorado CB
    A candidate for the Lions at 13, Smith is much better value this late in the draft. Charcater drops Smith further than his talent would put him, but there are football reasons to be concerned with him too. He played almost all press coverage in college, and if concerns about his intelligence and character prove valid, he may struggle adjusting to the more exotic coverage schemes in DC Gunther Cunninghams system. However, outside of Houston, no team needs a CB as badly as the Lions, so the risk here would be wise.
    23. Philadelphia Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin OT
    Put a fork in Winston Justice; he is done. Carimi is one of the most powerful linemen in the draft and provides great value at either RT or OG. He may not be a LT long-term, but I have no doubt he could fill in in the case of an injury and/or suspension to Jason Peters.
    24. New Orleans Corey Liuget, Illinois DT
    Sedrick Ellis is one of the best DTs in the game. Problem is, there is nobody beside him to maximize his enormous talent. With Liuget, the Saints will have two talented inside pass rushers and a much more disruptive front four. Liuget fits perfectly in the Saints scheme and is a great value at 24.
    25. Miami* Mark Ingram, Alabama RB
    Merry Christmas Dolphins fans. You get one of the best players in the draft at one of your biggest areas of need and still pick up much-needed draft picks. Ingram falls because of his position, and if he is gone I think Mike Pouncey is the pick. The only downfall of this pick is that the Phins donít address the QB position.
    26. Baltimore Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple DE
    Wilkerson falls, but provides typical Ravens value. I think Wilkerson will be a rotational guy for at least a year while he develops his technique, but he has as much upside and the work ethic to reach that uspide as Jordan and Watt.
    27. Atlanta Adrian Clayborn, Iowa DE
    This pick probably has to be either TE or DE. DE provides depth at this point with Clayborn, Justin Houston and Brooks Reed, among others still on the board. In the end, I think they go with Clayborn who slides because of medical concerns and an underwhelming senior season. Clayborn might lack elite explosiveness, but he plays very hard and rarely gets out of position. A typical Thomas Dimitroff pick
    28. Tampa Bay* Justin Houston, Georgia DE
    The Bucs fail in an attempt to move up for one of the elite rushers in the draft, so they move back and settle for a guy in the next lot of pass rushers. IMO, Houston fits better a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB due to his stiff hips. Houston joins McCoy and Brian Price as early round reinforcements a very young, very talented D line.
    29. Chicago Mike Pouncey, Florida OG
    The Bears have issues everywhere on the O line, but particularly inside. Pounceys name has been abuzz in recent weeks, but in the end, I think teams will realize why he didnít join his brother in the league last year. Still, Mike is a good player who fills an enormous need for the Bears who gave up a ton for Jay Cutler and now need to protect him.
    30. Jets Cameron Heyward, Ohio State DE
    The Jets just missed out on Jared Odrick last season and hope to not get slighted as badly this year. Heyward has demostrated flashes of a top 3 overall pick but slides because of inconsistent play and his plans to undergo Tommy John surgery.
    31. Pittsburgh Brandon Harris, Miami CB
    Harris might be more of a second rounder, but the Steelers secondary got exposed in the Super Bowl. Issues could be exacerbated if they lose Ike Taylor after the lockout. If Pouncey falls here, the card will be up in a New York minute.
    32. Green Bay Akeem Ayers, UCLA OLB
    A bad combine drops a very good player to a team too smart to pass him up. Ayers wont be asked to be the primary pass rusher, but he should make for a great complement.

    1. New England Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State C
    2. Buffalo Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State OT
    3. Cincinnati Danny Watkins, Baylor OG
    4. Denver Brooks Reed, Arizona DE
    5. Cleveland Torrey Smith, Maryland WR
    6. Arizona Jabaal Sheard, Pitt OLB
    7. Tennessee Ryan Mallett, Arkansas QB
    8. Dallas Aaron Williams, Texas CB
    9. Washington Leonard Hankerson, Miami WR
    10. Houston Kenrick Ellis, Hampton DT
    11. Cleveland* Stephen Paea, Oregon State DT
    12. Detroit Mason Foster, Washington OLB
    13. San Francisco Andy Dalton, TCU QB
    14. Denver Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame TE
    15. St. Louis Drake Nevis, LSU DT
    16. Oakland Davon House, New Mexico State CB
    17. Jacksonville Colin Kaepernick, Nevada QB
    18. San Diego Martez Wilson, Illinois ILB
    19. Tampa Bay Bruce Carter, North Carolina OLB
    20. Giants Nate Irving, N.C. State ILB
    21. Detroit* Orlando Franklin, Miami OT
    22. Philadelphia Brandon Burton, Utah CB
    23. Kansas City Edmond Gates, Abilene Christian WR
    24. New Orleans Mikel Leshoure, Illinois RB
    25. Miami* Marcus Cannon, TCU OG
    26. Baltimore Titus Young, Boise State WR
    27. Atlanta Luke Stocker, Tennessee TE
    28. Washington* Allen Bailey, Miami DE
    29. San Diego Jon Baldwin, Pitt WR
    30. Chicago Marvin Austin, North Carolina DT
    31. Pittsburgh Will Rackley, Lehigh OG
    32. Green Bay Greg Little, North Carolina WR

    1. Carolina Christian Ballar, Iowa DT
    2. Cincinnati Rahim Moore, UCLA S
    3. Denver Chimdi Chekwa, Ohio State CB
    4. Buffalo Pernell McPhee, Mississippi State DE
    5. Arizona Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin TE
    6. Cleveland Chykie Brown, Texas CB
    7. Dallas Ronald Johnson, USC WR
    8. New Orleans Greg Jones, Michigan State LB
    9. Houston Quinton Carter, Oklahoma S
    10. Tampa Bay* Robert Sands, West Virginia S
    11. Detroit Tandon Doss, Indiana WR
    12. San Francisco Sam Acho, Texas OLB
    13. Tennessee Greg Romeus, Pitt DE
    14. Dallas* Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina ILB
    15. Miami Shareece Wright, USC CB
    16. Jacksonville Cecil Shorts, Mount Union WR
    17. Oakland Brandon Hogan, West Virginia CB
    18. San Diego Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss DT
    19. Giants Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech RB
    20. Tampa Bay Marcus Gilbert, Florida OT
    21. Philadelphia DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma RB
    22. Kansas City James Carpenter, Alabama OT
    23. Indianapolis Rodney Hudson, Florida State OG
    24. New Orleans Clint Boling, Georgia OG
    25. San Diego Jalil Brown, Colorado CB
    26. Baltimore K.J. Wright, Mississippi State OLB
    27. Atlanta Randall Cobb, Kentucky WR
    28. New England Austin Pettis, Boise State WR
    29. Chicago Lee Ziemba, Auburn OT
    30. Jets Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson S
    31. Pittsburgh Deandre McDaniel, Clemson S
    32. Green Bay Ryan Winterswyk, Boise State DE
    33. Carolina Jerrel Jernigan, Troy WR

  • #2

    And i thought my wife was the only one that called them the Seachickens......

    It would be great to get Locker there, not sure if he'll be available but a deal worth making as far as i'm concerned.


    • #3
      I'm not sold one Newton, but I can see the Vikings moving up if they were convinced he was their guy.


      • #4
        Mike Brown wont pass on Cam Newton. Mike Brown already came out and said that this team is treating Carson like he is retired.

        RIP themaninblack


        • #5
          Not bad for the Ravens but Young isnt the best WR available at pick 58 and Wright isnt a good fit in the 3rd especially with better OLBs available.

          I'd rather if it went like this:
          1. Justin Houston
          2. Jon Baldwin
          3. Jarvis Jenkins/John Moffitt/Curtis Marsh


          • #6
            Good picks for the Colts in getting Tyron Smith and C Rodney Hudson. Although I would much prefer to trade next year's 2nd rounder since it should be a later pick.


            • #7
              Originally posted by Pat Sims 90 View Post
              Mike Brown wont pass on Cam Newton. Mike Brown already came out and said that this team is treating Carson like he is retired.
              At least he's better than Akili Smith......right?


              • #8
                very bad saints picks, well greg jones is a fine pick. Saints do however have no need whatsoever for a running bakc and liuget is a pure UT (Ellis spot) and is useless in three man fronts. The only way you can go OLine in the 3rd is if you dont already waste a pick on a RB.

                1 Cam Heyward
                2 Marvin Austin
                3a Quan Sturdivant
                3b KJ Wright

                Saints 2014 draft wish list:
                - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
                - Corner or Wideout in the first
                - No reaching
                - No Kelvin Benjamin


                • #9
                  Decent Packers draft... never heard of the guy picked in the 3rd round though.


                  • #10
                    That is an awesome trade and very solid picks in the 1st and 2nd rounds. The 3rd rounder is not good though because we have a lot of young depth at corner already, and if Randall Cobb is there in the 3rd, I don't see us passing on him.

                    Dolphins Dream Draft: 1. Jaylon Smith 2. Artie Burns 3. Landon Turner


                    • #11
                      The pick for the Saints does not make any sense. First, the Saints have someone to go next to Ellis--Shaun Rogers. Second, Luiget is strictly a 3-tech and is not capable of playing the nose. Third, THERE'S NO WAY the Saints will pass on Mark Ingram for Corey Liuget. I am willing to place money on it. Finally, if you are going to project the Saints taking a RB in the second round, it only makes sense for them to take Ingram in the first and a DT in the second than the other way around. Austin is just as talented a Luiget but I believe is decisively better than Leshoure.

                      1. Mark Ingram
                      2. Marvin Austin
                      3a. Greg Romeus
                      3b. Dontay Moch


                      • #12
                        speaking for Browns fans everywhere I say god bless u sir


                        • #13
                          Epic Lions draft.


                          • #14
                            Oakland going CB back to back? Oh, the horror...
                            My sig pic has now come full circle. Lucky me.

                            No offense, but your Raiders draft sucks.


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Seasonticketholder View Post
                              The pick for the Saints does not make any sense. First, the Saints have someone to go next to Ellis--Shaun Rogers. Second, Luiget is strictly a 3-tech and is not capable of playing the nose. Third, THERE'S NO WAY the Saints will pass on Mark Ingram for Corey Liuget. I am willing to place money on it. Finally, if you are going to project the Saints taking a RB in the second round, it only makes sense for them to take Ingram in the first and a DT in the second than the other way around. Austin is just as talented a Luiget but I believe is decisively better than Leshoure.

                              1. Mark Ingram
                              2. Marvin Austin
                              3a. Greg Romeus
                              3b. Dontay Moch
                              Id crap if we got that draft ^^^^



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