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  • #16
    Originally posted by IBleedNavyandOrange
    Seeing this thread reminds me of how much I hate each of these teams.

    And as much as it pains me, I gotta say the 49ers will get there first. Dallas is held together by spit and bailing wire, Pittsburgh has serious problems, and SF is actually re-building and winning games in the process.
    How do you figure the Steelers have serious problems? I'd really like to hear this one. The niners have 1 guy and that is Frank Gore. Cowboys are the team that has the most problems. T.O. That is the reason they will not go any time soon.

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    • #17
      Well the Packers have had 6 championships for 63 years, so you guys are a little late. The Bears for 61. So I think this question is moot.
      I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
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      • #18
        A few months short of a year ago, I said the 49ers on the Football's Future forums and was subsequently laughed at. Funny that.
        Pugnacity, testosterone, truculence, and belligerence.

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        • #19
          49ers . . . they play in a weak division in the weaker conference. It's an easier road to the Super Bowl for them.
          R.I.P. L.E.F.
          "I am the one who knocks!"

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          • #20
            Originally posted by someone447
            Well the Packers have had 6 championships for 63 years, so you guys are a little late. The Bears for 61. So I think this question is moot.
            The Packers only have 3 SB championships, which is what this thread is referring to.


            Originally posted by BrownsTown

            If Chase Daniel finishes top 5 in the Heisman I'll cut my balls off.

            2008 COTTON BOWL CHAMPIONS

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            • #21
              The Bears in 2087.

              By the way, what's with all the 49'ers noise? Just because they weren't terrible last year doesn't make them a Superbowl contendor anytime soon. What do they really have in terms of building blocks other than Frank Gore and maaaaaaaaybe Alex Smith? When they played the elite teams they still got beat like a drum (see Bears-Chargers). I don't think any team can have realistic Superbowl expectations for the next 3-4 years.


              Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                The Bears in 2087.

                By the way, what's with all the 49'ers noise? Just because they weren't terrible last year doesn't make them a Superbowl contendor anytime soon. What do they really have in terms of building blocks other than Frank Gore and maaaaaaaaybe Alex Smith? When they played the elite teams they still got beat like a drum (see Bears-Chargers). I don't think any team can have realistic Superbowl expectations for the next 3-4 years.
                That was when billy davis was our defensive coordinator. The guy's schemes just didn't work and caused defensive players to be caught out of position. Nolan took over the defense after the bears game and we had a complete turn around. And building blocks? How about vernon davis, frank gore, alex smith, our whole offensive line minus kwame harris and a pretty good coaching staff. Like I said in my other post, offensively we're missing a right tackle and a true #1 wide receiver....although, we dont even need that. We could settle with a bunch of really good receivers rather than one great one since we have vernon davis.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                  The Bears in 2087.

                  By the way, what's with all the 49'ers noise? Just because they weren't terrible last year doesn't make them a Superbowl contendor anytime soon. What do they really have in terms of building blocks other than Frank Gore and maaaaaaaaybe Alex Smith? When they played the elite teams they still got beat like a drum (see Bears-Chargers). I don't think any team can have realistic Superbowl expectations for the next 3-4 years.
                  Who would have said the Bears had realistic SB aspirations 3 or 4 years ago? All they had was Urlacher and a bunch of crap. A lot change in a span of 4 years.


                  Originally posted by BrownsTown

                  If Chase Daniel finishes top 5 in the Heisman I'll cut my balls off.

                  2008 COTTON BOWL CHAMPIONS

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by eazyb81
                    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                    The Bears in 2087.

                    By the way, what's with all the 49'ers noise? Just because they weren't terrible last year doesn't make them a Superbowl contendor anytime soon. What do they really have in terms of building blocks other than Frank Gore and maaaaaaaaybe Alex Smith? When they played the elite teams they still got beat like a drum (see Bears-Chargers). I don't think any team can have realistic Superbowl expectations for the next 3-4 years.
                    Who would have said the Bears had realistic SB aspirations 3 or 4 years ago? All they had was Urlacher and a bunch of crap. A lot change in a span of 4 years.
                    Three years ago we had Urlacher, Mike Brown, Olin Kruetz who were all at the very top of their game. We also had emerging young players Lance Briggs, Nathan Vasher, Tommie Harris, and Charles Tillman.

                    Anybody that didn't see the Bears as a team on the rise in 2003-2004 wasn't paying attention. We would have been much better in 2004 had we not been devestated by injuries. Keep in mind the biggest reason we had losing seasons was Grossman continually going down and being stuck with Chad Hutchison, Kordell Stewart, and the 500 year old Chris Chandler at QB. The team as a whole was very solid, it was just a few positions that were so bad they were holding everyone else back.

                    I couldn't name one players on the Niners defense besides Walt Harris who we drafted in 1996 that did anything last year. Again, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see it.


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                      Originally posted by eazyb81
                      Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                      The Bears in 2087.

                      By the way, what's with all the 49'ers noise? Just because they weren't terrible last year doesn't make them a Superbowl contendor anytime soon. What do they really have in terms of building blocks other than Frank Gore and maaaaaaaaybe Alex Smith? When they played the elite teams they still got beat like a drum (see Bears-Chargers). I don't think any team can have realistic Superbowl expectations for the next 3-4 years.
                      Who would have said the Bears had realistic SB aspirations 3 or 4 years ago? All they had was Urlacher and a bunch of crap. A lot change in a span of 4 years.
                      Three years ago we had Urlacher, Mike Brown, Olin Kruetz who were all at the very top of their game. We also had emerging young players Lance Briggs, Nathan Vasher, Tommie Harris, and Charles Tillman.

                      Anybody that didn't see the Bears as a team on the rise in 2003-2004 wasn't paying attention. We would have been much better in 2004 had we not been devestated by injuries. Keep in mind the biggest reason we had losing seasons was Grossman continually going down and being stuck with Chad Hutchison, Kordell Stewart, and the 500 year old Chris Chandler at QB. The team as a whole was very solid, it was just a few positions that were so bad they were holding everyone else back.

                      I couldn't name one players on the Niners defense besides Walt Harris who we drafted in 1996 that did anything last year. Again, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see it.
                      The players you named seem like obvious choices for emerging stars at the time, but I think you held them in higher regard than most because you're a Bears fan. The Niners have emerging young players too, you just don't know enough about them because your not a SF fan.

                      Spin it however you want, but no one outside of Chicago looked at that 4-12 Bears team in 02 and thought "wow, now THAT's a team on the rise!"


                      Originally posted by BrownsTown

                      If Chase Daniel finishes top 5 in the Heisman I'll cut my balls off.

                      2008 COTTON BOWL CHAMPIONS

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by eazyb81
                        Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                        Originally posted by eazyb81
                        Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                        The Bears in 2087.

                        By the way, what's with all the 49'ers noise? Just because they weren't terrible last year doesn't make them a Superbowl contendor anytime soon. What do they really have in terms of building blocks other than Frank Gore and maaaaaaaaybe Alex Smith? When they played the elite teams they still got beat like a drum (see Bears-Chargers). I don't think any team can have realistic Superbowl expectations for the next 3-4 years.
                        Who would have said the Bears had realistic SB aspirations 3 or 4 years ago? All they had was Urlacher and a bunch of crap. A lot change in a span of 4 years.
                        Three years ago we had Urlacher, Mike Brown, Olin Kruetz who were all at the very top of their game. We also had emerging young players Lance Briggs, Nathan Vasher, Tommie Harris, and Charles Tillman.

                        Anybody that didn't see the Bears as a team on the rise in 2003-2004 wasn't paying attention. We would have been much better in 2004 had we not been devestated by injuries. Keep in mind the biggest reason we had losing seasons was Grossman continually going down and being stuck with Chad Hutchison, Kordell Stewart, and the 500 year old Chris Chandler at QB. The team as a whole was very solid, it was just a few positions that were so bad they were holding everyone else back.

                        I couldn't name one players on the Niners defense besides Walt Harris who we drafted in 1996 that did anything last year. Again, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see it.
                        The players you named seem like obvious choices for emerging stars at the time, but I think you held them in higher regard than most because you're a Bears fan. The Niners have emerging young players too, you just don't know enough about them because your not a SF fan.

                        Spin it however you want, but no one outside of Chicago looked at that 4-12 Bears team in 02 and thought "wow, now THAT's a team on the rise!"
                        The team in '02 was terrible. Everyone from the 2001 13-3 team was injured, old, or just overated. We had a tremendous draft in 2003 and a very good one in 2004. Even though we were 12-20 in 2003-2004, we were the youngest team in the league and clearly a few pieces away from a being a contendor.

                        Again, I would like to hear where the building blocks on the team are outside of Frank Gore? Their best two defensive players are a year or two away from retiring. After that there is Brandon Moore, who I don't think anyone is going to build a team around.

                        If you want a team that looks primed to return to their days of yore I give you, sadly, the Green Bay Packers.


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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                          Originally posted by eazyb81
                          Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                          Originally posted by eazyb81
                          Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                          The Bears in 2087.

                          By the way, what's with all the 49'ers noise? Just because they weren't terrible last year doesn't make them a Superbowl contendor anytime soon. What do they really have in terms of building blocks other than Frank Gore and maaaaaaaaybe Alex Smith? When they played the elite teams they still got beat like a drum (see Bears-Chargers). I don't think any team can have realistic Superbowl expectations for the next 3-4 years.
                          Who would have said the Bears had realistic SB aspirations 3 or 4 years ago? All they had was Urlacher and a bunch of crap. A lot change in a span of 4 years.
                          Three years ago we had Urlacher, Mike Brown, Olin Kruetz who were all at the very top of their game. We also had emerging young players Lance Briggs, Nathan Vasher, Tommie Harris, and Charles Tillman.

                          Anybody that didn't see the Bears as a team on the rise in 2003-2004 wasn't paying attention. We would have been much better in 2004 had we not been devestated by injuries. Keep in mind the biggest reason we had losing seasons was Grossman continually going down and being stuck with Chad Hutchison, Kordell Stewart, and the 500 year old Chris Chandler at QB. The team as a whole was very solid, it was just a few positions that were so bad they were holding everyone else back.

                          I couldn't name one players on the Niners defense besides Walt Harris who we drafted in 1996 that did anything last year. Again, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see it.
                          The players you named seem like obvious choices for emerging stars at the time, but I think you held them in higher regard than most because you're a Bears fan. The Niners have emerging young players too, you just don't know enough about them because your not a SF fan.

                          Spin it however you want, but no one outside of Chicago looked at that 4-12 Bears team in 02 and thought "wow, now THAT's a team on the rise!"
                          Again, I would like to hear where the building blocks on the team are outside of Frank Gore? Their best two defensive players are a year or two away from retiring. After that there is Brandon Moore, who I don't think anyone is going to build a team around.
                          Frank Gore? Alex Smith? Vernon Davis? Manny Lawson? Shawntae Spencer? Whoever they draft at #11 this year? Don't be naive, this team has some young players that have the potential to be stars. They haven't reached their potential thus far, but that's not the point - we're trying to project what could happen in the future.


                          Originally posted by BrownsTown

                          If Chase Daniel finishes top 5 in the Heisman I'll cut my balls off.

                          2008 COTTON BOWL CHAMPIONS

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by eazyb81
                            Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                            Originally posted by eazyb81
                            Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                            Originally posted by eazyb81
                            Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                            The Bears in 2087.

                            By the way, what's with all the 49'ers noise? Just because they weren't terrible last year doesn't make them a Superbowl contendor anytime soon. What do they really have in terms of building blocks other than Frank Gore and maaaaaaaaybe Alex Smith? When they played the elite teams they still got beat like a drum (see Bears-Chargers). I don't think any team can have realistic Superbowl expectations for the next 3-4 years.
                            Who would have said the Bears had realistic SB aspirations 3 or 4 years ago? All they had was Urlacher and a bunch of crap. A lot change in a span of 4 years.
                            Three years ago we had Urlacher, Mike Brown, Olin Kruetz who were all at the very top of their game. We also had emerging young players Lance Briggs, Nathan Vasher, Tommie Harris, and Charles Tillman.

                            Anybody that didn't see the Bears as a team on the rise in 2003-2004 wasn't paying attention. We would have been much better in 2004 had we not been devestated by injuries. Keep in mind the biggest reason we had losing seasons was Grossman continually going down and being stuck with Chad Hutchison, Kordell Stewart, and the 500 year old Chris Chandler at QB. The team as a whole was very solid, it was just a few positions that were so bad they were holding everyone else back.

                            I couldn't name one players on the Niners defense besides Walt Harris who we drafted in 1996 that did anything last year. Again, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see it.
                            The players you named seem like obvious choices for emerging stars at the time, but I think you held them in higher regard than most because you're a Bears fan. The Niners have emerging young players too, you just don't know enough about them because your not a SF fan.

                            Spin it however you want, but no one outside of Chicago looked at that 4-12 Bears team in 02 and thought "wow, now THAT's a team on the rise!"
                            Again, I would like to hear where the building blocks on the team are outside of Frank Gore? Their best two defensive players are a year or two away from retiring. After that there is Brandon Moore, who I don't think anyone is going to build a team around.
                            Frank Gore? Alex Smith? Vernon Davis? Manny Lawson? Shawntae Spencer? Whoever they draft at #11 this year? Don't be naive, this team has some young players that have the potential to be stars. They haven't reached their potential thus far, but that's not the point - we're trying to project what could happen in the future.
                            I find it funny that he says
                            The team in '02 was terrible. Everyone from the 2001 13-3 team was injured, old, or just overated. We had a tremendous draft in 2003 and a very good one in 2004. Even though we were 12-20 in 2003-2004, we were the youngest team in the league and clearly a few pieces away from a being a contendor.
                            and then asks us what our building blocks are(btw, he did a great job skipping over my post, because I mentioned the same building blocks). He described our same situation, alex smith is STILL the youngest starting quarterback in the league(22, he was a 21 year old rookie and 20 when he was drafted), frank gores only 23, vernon davis is still just 22, justin smiley is only 25, who was called one of the best guards in the league by tommy harris and gave up ZERO sacks this year). I could go on. I'm not saying we're going to the superbowl next year, but atleast acknowledge that the building blocks are there.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                              Originally posted by eazyb81
                              Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                              Originally posted by eazyb81
                              Originally posted by bearsfan_51
                              The Bears in 2087.

                              By the way, what's with all the 49'ers noise? Just because they weren't terrible last year doesn't make them a Superbowl contendor anytime soon. What do they really have in terms of building blocks other than Frank Gore and maaaaaaaaybe Alex Smith? When they played the elite teams they still got beat like a drum (see Bears-Chargers). I don't think any team can have realistic Superbowl expectations for the next 3-4 years.
                              Who would have said the Bears had realistic SB aspirations 3 or 4 years ago? All they had was Urlacher and a bunch of crap. A lot change in a span of 4 years.
                              Three years ago we had Urlacher, Mike Brown, Olin Kruetz who were all at the very top of their game. We also had emerging young players Lance Briggs, Nathan Vasher, Tommie Harris, and Charles Tillman.

                              Anybody that didn't see the Bears as a team on the rise in 2003-2004 wasn't paying attention. We would have been much better in 2004 had we not been devestated by injuries. Keep in mind the biggest reason we had losing seasons was Grossman continually going down and being stuck with Chad Hutchison, Kordell Stewart, and the 500 year old Chris Chandler at QB. The team as a whole was very solid, it was just a few positions that were so bad they were holding everyone else back.

                              I couldn't name one players on the Niners defense besides Walt Harris who we drafted in 1996 that did anything last year. Again, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see it.
                              The players you named seem like obvious choices for emerging stars at the time, but I think you held them in higher regard than most because you're a Bears fan. The Niners have emerging young players too, you just don't know enough about them because your not a SF fan.

                              Spin it however you want, but no one outside of Chicago looked at that 4-12 Bears team in 02 and thought "wow, now THAT's a team on the rise!"
                              The team in '02 was terrible. Everyone from the 2001 13-3 team was injured, old, or just overated. We had a tremendous draft in 2003 and a very good one in 2004. Even though we were 12-20 in 2003-2004, we were the youngest team in the league and clearly a few pieces away from a being a contendor.

                              Again, I would like to hear where the building blocks on the team are outside of Frank Gore? Their best two defensive players are a year or two away from retiring. After that there is Brandon Moore, who I don't think anyone is going to build a team around.

                              If you want a team that looks primed to return to their days of yore I give you, sadly, the Green Bay Packers.
                              49er building blocks

                              Alex Smith, QB
                              Frank Gore, RB
                              Vernon Davis, TE
                              Shawntae Spencer, CB
                              Manny Lawson, OLB
                              Brandon Moore, ILB (not a beast but solid at what he does)
                              Justin Smiley, G
                              David Baas, G
                              Adam Snyder, T

                              I dont know if they win 6 first, i was surprised to read that. I hope its true but i dont know.

                              Anyways, to say they are no building blocks isn't an accurate assesment. There are many. Also some others are guys like brandon williams, parys haralson, delanie walker, and michael robinson. All were pretty raw this year.

                              As well, some other guys that likely wont start but be good backups are guys like Ronald Fields and Melvin Oliver.

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                              • #30
                                What have Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson, or Alex Smith done other than getting drafted really high to prove that they are players to build around? Just being a 1st round pick doesn't cut it.

                                I really like the Niners running game and their O-line seems like one to build around, but your skill players outside of Smith are underwhelming and when Brandon Moore is your best young defensive player that isn't going to impress anyone, at least not me. Nor is saying, well the player that we're going to draft at #11 as if you already know that player is going to be good. Just assuming that all of your young players are going to develop is a really lame argument. Teams like the Packers and the Jets have many more young players that are already playing well.

                                Again, just naming players that are young doesn't mean they are good. Parys Haralson? Delanie Walker? Ronald Fields? What the hell?


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