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  • #61
    Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
    That's exactly why I'd take him without a second thought, and why I'll be a very unhappy person if the 49ers are picking in round 1 next year and Glenn Dorsey and/or DeMario Pressley are on the board.



    Middle of the pack in 2005? Maybe in run defense (where they ranked 17th), but rarely will you have a Tampa 2 team with a great run defense. Other than that, They were a Top 5 defense in both scoring (2nd) and yardage (5th) that year, so, maybe it's just me, but I'd say that defense was just a little bit better than middle of the pack. The 2005 defense showed what a healthy Sanders and an elite DT (Corey Simon that year) can do for this defense.
    Yup. Run defense is what I meant.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
      IMO, "Best" is too hard to quantify at this position, given the entirely different roles each type of DT is asked to play. Tommie Harris and Jamal Williams are both great at their respective jobs, but I think both would look average in the other's role.
      That's why I take Richard Seymour and John Henderson. Both have the ability to play all across D-Line formations; vis a vis 1-tech, 3-tech, 5-tech.

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      • #63
        tommie harris is definitly quickest and fastest.

        its between henderson, stroud, and seymore. its real close for me


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        • #64
          Originally posted by remix 6 View Post
          i know who he is. hes top 5 but not 3
          John Henderson IMO is far better than any DT in this game aside from Jamal Williams and Tommie Harris. To me, it goes those 3 guys and then everyone else is a major notch below and that next notch down consists of guys like Kevin Williams, Marcus Stroud and Casey Hampton. And I dont know why Richard Seymour keeps getting brought up. Yes, he can play DT and hes a damn good one when he plays the position, but thats not the position he plays. When we talk about the best WRs should we bring up Reggie Bush b/c we think he could be an all-pro WR?

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          • #65
            A 3-4 DE is typically a tall, long, big 4-3 DT. It's one of my pet peeves that people don't classify players like Seymour, Castillo, etc, who all played 4-3 in college at DT, and play 4-3 DT on passing downs, are penalized because they play in an atypical scheme.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Shiver View Post
              A 3-4 DE is typically a tall, long, big 4-3 DT. It's one of my pet peeves that people don't classify players like Seymour, Castillo, etc, who all played 4-3 in college at DT, and play 4-3 DT on passing downs, are penalized because they play in an atypical scheme.
              theyre not penalized, Im just not gonna include them in the discussion for best DT when thats not the position they play. Seymour has played some DT in the pros and he was great at it and Castillo Im sure would be a great DT, but Im not gonna include them in the discussion for best DT when they dont play that position. I was drawing the comparison to Reggie Bush....I expect Reggie could be an all-pro wideout if that was his position, but his position is running back. When someone tells me to talk about the best wideout in the game, Im not gonna bring up Reggie Bush, just because he has the skills of a great wideout. Seymour and Castillo in my book are elite 3-4 DEs, yes its a category of its own because it is a different position from a cover 2 DE or a 4-3 DT, but I dont see it as a penalization to those players, I just think when were talking about who is the best player at a certain position we stick to players who play that position every sunday

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              • #67
                for a 3-4 which i would run if i was a coach it would be a close race between jamaal williams,casey hampton,john henderson,and stroud

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                • #68
                  I would narrow it down to just Jamal and Casey because Marcus and John havent had expierence in a 3-4 even though they would probably do good in it.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                    Yup. Run defense is what I meant.
                    Ah, well then, yes I'd agree, but really mediocre run defense is all the unit needs to be great overall.

                    Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                    That's why I take Richard Seymour and John Henderson. Both have the ability to play all across D-Line formations; vis a vis 1-tech, 3-tech, 5-tech.
                    I have a hard time believing Seymour could play 5-tech very well or Henderson could play 1-tech very well.


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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by TheChampIsHere View Post
                      theyre not penalized, Im just not gonna include them in the discussion for best DT when thats not the position they play. Seymour has played some DT in the pros and he was great at it and Castillo Im sure would be a great DT, but Im not gonna include them in the discussion for best DT when they dont play that position. I was drawing the comparison to Reggie Bush....I expect Reggie could be an all-pro wideout if that was his position, but his position is running back. When someone tells me to talk about the best wideout in the game, Im not gonna bring up Reggie Bush, just because he has the skills of a great wideout. Seymour and Castillo in my book are elite 3-4 DEs, yes its a category of its own because it is a different position from a cover 2 DE or a 4-3 DT, but I dont see it as a penalization to those players, I just think when were talking about who is the best player at a certain position we stick to players who play that position every sunday
                      If you want to get technical we shouldn't compare 3-4 Nose Tackles like Jamal Williams to 4-3 Under Tackles like Tommie Harris, Kevin Williams. If you are going to lump all interior D-Lineman together, you need to include players like Seymour and Castillo who play on the interior D-Line.

                      Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
                      I have a hard time believing Seymour could play 5-tech very well or Henderson could play 1-tech very well.
                      The 3-4 DE is put at 5-tech, or on the Tackle, so I don't understand how you could say that about Seymour.

                      As for Henderson, in certain packages he could move to the 1-tech, over the pivot, in a pinch. I'm not talking about full time; rather for versatility's sake.
                      Last edited by Shiver; 07-19-2007, 02:01 AM.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                        If you want to get technical we should vote on who is the best 3-tech. Who is the best 3-4 NT. If you are going to lump all interior D-Lineman together, you need to include players like Seymour.



                        The 3-4 DE is put at 5-tech, or on the Tackle, so I don't understand how you could say that about Seymour.

                        As for Henderson, in certain packages he could move to the 1-tech, over the pivot, in a pinch. I'm not talking about full time; rather for versatility's sake.
                        Oops, I meant 3-Tech for Seymour. Make a little more sense now?


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                        • #72
                          I'd take Seymour or Harris... maybe K.Williams.

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                          • #73
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                            • #74
                              I think the NFC Central, used to saying NL, is pretty much tops at DT.

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                              • #75
                                I personally like the penetration and control within the pocket that Tommie Harris brings to a team. Especially a team running a cover 2 defense. But I wouldn't say no to Stroud either.

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