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  • #91
    http://www.startribune.com/510/story/1218672.html

    Staying put

    Frazier said one of his goals this season will be keeping Kenechi Udeze at left end. Udeze shifted to the right side after Erasmus James suffered a season-ending knee injury in last year's second game. Udeze didn't have a sack all season.

    "That's where he feels most comfortable at," Frazier said of Udeze. "We need to let him be where he feels confident and give him the best chance to be successful. We're committed to doing that, and hopefully we'll get the results out of it that we're looking for."

    James is expected back for training camp, but it's uncertain how much of a workload he will be able to handle early in the season.
    I hadn't realized the Vikings moved Udeze to RDE, after James tore his ACL - no wonder the move was unsuccessful. Good thing Frazier knows his defense and plans to keep Udeze at LDE.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by Geo View Post
      http://www.startribune.com/510/story/1218672.html


      I hadn't realized the Vikings moved Udeze to RDE, after James tore his ACL - no wonder the move was unsuccessful. Good thing Frazier knows his defense and plans to keep Udeze at LDE.
      I don't know. I'm still skeptical. Moving him to LE isn't going to give him any more quickness or speed. Scott didn't have any luck at that spot.


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      • #93
        Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
        so in other words, everyone else takes the blame except Eli?


        what happens if they dont make the playoffs this year? You cant keep throwing injuries out there like every team doesnt get the same marquee injuries year in and out, you deal with it, Im sure Tiki Barber, Shockey, and Burress were plenty to make amends with...

        I agree, but i understand the opposing argument: Eli didnt have a WR on the field that he could trust they knew where to be. In a way, its loosely like what Vick has -- had, in Atlanta. It's not like crumpler is some kind of superior athlete that hes the only one capable of catching a pass there, but more that he was the only one vick trusted. Everyone knows that in the NFL trust is key so when toomer goes down thats big. But heres why i disagree. You know when you're going through teams in madden, and you don't pick certain teams cause they dont have a good offense? Well the giants were never one of those teams. Great running back, solid qb, great tight end, and play making wide reciever. There just simply is no excuse for eli manning. I find it ridiculous that Plaxico Burress's route running and things of that nature were such a problem that it made Eli look like a bust. What was wrong with Shockey? was he partying too hard? the way i see it, Eli just doesnt trust himself to make the throws in pressure situations. In the NFL hte decision to throw the football is the must rushed and complicated thing in the sport. Eli has all the tools, but is standing too deep in the shadow of a certain relative of his, to have any confidence. I'm sure playing in New York with the papers in his face every morning doesnt help either..

        I do not feel bad for him. He could have had San Diego, he chose misery.


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        • #94
          Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
          Gallery will probably bounce back and become a solid player, but never an outstanding one like he was billed to be. Eli will be fine, he's not a bust yet, he's a solid QB but not a start yet like he's suppposed to be. He's not really done any worse than Rivers (meltdown at end of 06 season) or Roethlisberger (horrible 06), but obviously hasn't won games like those two.
          OK, this Rivers meltdown stuff is getting out of hand. I'm going to do an Eli-homer impression for a minute;

          He had 2 bad games, and one iffy game, all season. Coincidentally, they came when McCardell lost all his playing time, Floyd went on IR, and Parker was battling injuries. We had to sign Az Hakim off the street! Raiders and Seahawks defense are not bad at all. The Chiefs played a great game. It's the NFL, you can't be spectacular every week. As is, he posted a 90 plus rating in his first season as a starter.

          We still won all those games, including a killer game winner against Seattle.

          The "meltdown" nonsense is being blown completely out of proportion.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by keylime_5 View Post
            Gallery will probably bounce back and become a solid player, but never an outstanding one like he was billed to be. Eli will be fine, he's not a bust yet, he's a solid QB but not a start yet like he's suppposed to be. He's not really done any worse than Rivers (meltdown at end of 06 season) or Roethlisberger (horrible 06), but obviously hasn't won games like those two.
            Ben had a Horrible 06 but he had an amazing 04/05.. Eli has yet to live up anywhere NEAR Ben or Rivers. They both had solid seasons. Eli has yet to have one.

            I'm not going to sit here and bash Eli the whole time. But Ben and Rivers are head/shoulders above him right now. You have to compare his best stats to Ben and Rivers' worst.

            Ben's 06 season, and Rivers December QB Rating drop. Eli hasn't been consistent or played near the level that Either has.

            And to do my rendition of a Eli-Homer impression:

            Ben lost Hartings, Simmons, Starks the entire C-RT of his line this past season. Add that to the only veterans at WR in Ward/Wilson were out. We had Sean Morey and Walter Young as our #3/#4. 3 UDFA's in our starting 4 wideouts. His OL was playing so bad that he couldn't ever use his TE because he had to block. Add to the fact he nearly died in the pre-season and still played. As well as the killer hit from Atlanta (Ironically the one time it's wasn't roughing the passer)



            And not to mention, his last 8 games he went 6-2.. 2167yds passing(8 games) 85.1 QB Rating..

            Eli was sacked 25 times. Yea, his OL was bad.

            Ben was sacked 46 times.. Including a 9-sack game. Yea, you Giants fans have it so, rough.


            Question is. How come Ben and Rivers get all the blame for their mishaps, yet Eli gets to point the finger.. Come on now, he's not Peyton.
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            • #96
              Originally posted by ChargerCohen View Post
              OK, this Rivers meltdown stuff is getting out of hand. I'm going to do an Eli-homer impression for a minute;

              He had 2 bad games, and one iffy game, all season. Coincidentally, they came when McCardell lost all his playing time, Floyd went on IR, and Parker was battling injuries. We had to sign Az Hakim off the street! Raiders and Seahawks defense are not bad at all. The Chiefs played a great game. It's the NFL, you can't be spectacular every week. As is, he posted a 90 plus rating in his first season as a starter.

              We still won all those games, including a killer game winner against Seattle.

              The "meltdown" nonsense is being blown completely out of proportion.
              You get to use the injury card?

              Eli was missing his LT, most reliable WR for the second half of the season and his #3 WR for alomst the entire year.

              ironic
              Originally posted by Paul
              Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
              Originally posted by Vikes99ej
              These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
              MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
                You get to use the injury card?

                Eli was missing his LT, most reliable WR for the second half of the season and his #3 WR for alomst the entire year.

                ironic
                He was doing an impression of Ricky Bobby. Everytime Eli has a bad game, it's due to some injury, or the fact he lost people around him...

                So did every QB. But If we throw out the injury card for our QB's this is what we get.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
                  You get to use the injury card?

                  Eli was missing his LT, most reliable WR for the second half of the season and his #3 WR for alomst the entire year.

                  ironic
                  You only think it's ironic because you decided not to read the part where I distinctly announced I was making fun of how Giants fans defend Eli. By playing the injury card. Like you just did.


                  Nothing is ever Eli's fault, apparently, and yet Rivers had a meltdown. Come on now.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by ChargerCohen View Post
                    You only think it's ironic because you decided not to read the part where I distinctly announced I was making fun of how Giants fans defend Eli. By playing the injury card. Like you just did.


                    Nothing is ever Eli's fault, apparently, and yet Rivers had a meltdown. Come on now.
                    If you don't think Rivers had a much easier situation to deal with last year, you're a fool.
                    Originally posted by Paul
                    Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
                    Originally posted by Vikes99ej
                    These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
                    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

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                    • Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
                      If you don't think Rivers had a much easier situation to deal with last year, you're a fool.
                      You're a fool. Don't you know that Rivers hoisted the team on his shoulders and carried them to the AFC championship game?

                      That was sarcasm btw.

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                      • Originally posted by ChargerCohen View Post
                        You only think it's ironic because you decided not to read the part where I distinctly announced I was making fun of how Giants fans defend Eli. By playing the injury card. Like you just did.


                        Nothing is ever Eli's fault, apparently, and yet Rivers had a meltdown. Come on now.

                        You must be reading posts from people on the end of the spectrum that will defend him now matter what. For instance, on the Falcons board, there are fans who love him no matter what happens.

                        The fact remains things are his fault, but he has done good things, and had two above avg seasons for us. He has had bad games, and has had good games, he just needs to put it together, and hopefully our offensive guys can stay healthy.

                        But i think giants fans have to defend Eli, because our media blows things out of proportion, and the fact that we have to listen to the national media couple days later repeat the same stuff. While Eli has to play better, he hasnt done as bad as the media would like you to believe.

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                        • Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
                          If you don't think Rivers had a much easier situation to deal with last year, you're a fool.
                          Wow you're right. I guess that means Eli is a moron who should have played for the team that drafted him instead of thinking he was too good for the system.

                          I can't believe there are still Eli defenders. Thank god Tiki took the whole offense with him and now the runt can be exposed.

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                          • Originally posted by ChargerCohen View Post
                            Wow you're right. I guess that means Eli is a moron who should have played for the team that drafted him instead of thinking he was too good for the system.

                            I can't believe there are still Eli defenders. Thank god Tiki took the whole offense with him and now the runt can be exposed.
                            Pffffffffffffffffft yeah right. If you listened to all the Giants homers on here (cough Ricky Bobby) you would know that Brandon Jacobs is Emmitt Smith reincarnated. ;)

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                            • Originally posted by ChargerCohen View Post
                              Wow you're right. I guess that means Eli is a moron who should have played for the team that drafted him instead of thinking he was too good for the system.

                              I can't believe there are still Eli defenders. Thank god Tiki took the whole offense with him and now the runt can be exposed.
                              Rivers gets the nod on O-line, RB, TE, coaching, defense, and scheme when comparing the situations Eli and Rivers are in.

                              Eli had a better group of WRs but his most reliable WR went down 9 games into the season, so the margin there was minimal.

                              Please tell me if you disagree with any of that.
                              Originally posted by Paul
                              Eli's opportunity to become a legend.
                              Originally posted by Vikes99ej
                              These last 50 seconds will define Eli Manning.
                              MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

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                              • Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
                                Rivers gets the nod on O-line, RB, TE, coaching, defense, and scheme when comparing the situations Eli and Rivers are in.

                                Eli had a better group of WRs but his most reliable WR went down 9 games into the season, so the margin there was minimal.

                                Please tell me if you disagree with any of that.
                                Actually I'd take Vincent Jackson, Eric Parker, Malcolm Floyd and Keenan McCardell over Plaxico, too. They're all hard workers.

                                But anyone who watches football could tell that Rivers is the better QB as well. Forget all the stats; do you want the guy firing up his teammates, or a guy who has officially been scolded by management for moping during games?

                                Your argument to convince me that the Chargers are a better team than the Giants has succeeded admirably. You win. but not really.

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