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  • #16
    Originally posted by ChargerCohen View Post
    That'd be nice. I could see him putting up a 1000 yards, but pro bowl is probably unrealistic given all the balls that LT, Gates, and the rest of the corps are gonna hog up.
    vincent jackson was rivers favorite target i will still see him getting the majority of the passes, even though i want to see gates a lot too, but seeing from last year jackson is his fav target


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    • #17
      Originally posted by bantx View Post
      vincent jackson was rivers favorite target i will still see him getting the majority of the passes, even though i want to see gates a lot too, but seeing from last year jackson is his fav target
      I noticed that stuff, and there's no doubt that Jackson is a specimen (his numbers are crazy; 6'5, 240, 4.4), but more than a couple times I noticed he doesn't attack the ball in the air quite like a guy his size should. Even late in the season when he was really getting some playing time, he should have had at least 5-10 more catches had he just stuck his arms out and snatched the ball.

      It's nothing a little extra coaching can't fix, but I don't think he's shown enough yet to warrant a pro bowl prediction.

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      • #18
        My top-10 breakout players:

        (in no particular order other than off the top of my head)

        1. Mario Williams - He has all the talent in the world, his problem is lacking the experience to utilize his gifts. Young defensive lineman rarely come into the league right away and dominate. The position takes time to learn technique necessary to succeed in the trenches. What will also help him is he now has a dedicated position, rather than being moved around like last year. He will also be healthy, which was an ongoing problem as a rookie. I expect a dominant year as a run stuffer and around double digit sacks as a pass rusher.


        2. Vernon Davis - Vernon Davis' is just a scary thought. He has the tool set that inspires fear into opposing NFL defensive coordinators. He struggled mightily in the first three games of the year, culminating in a broken leg against the Eagles. When he returned though he brought along with him more knowledge of the offense and he quickly dissipated the notion that he was 'just a workout warrior' as some claim. In the month of December he had 217 yards, 2 touchdowns on a 15.5 YPC basis. Those are fantastic numbers for the TE position. All of those stats despite Alex Smith overthrowing him deep, twice while open. You could almost add another 100 yards and two more touchdowns had Smith been accurate. He drew praise from Mike Nolan regarding his blocking, which was a weakness of his in college. Another year under his belt and with Alex Smith, and he may out do every other TE not named Antonio Gates.


        3. Freddie Keiaho - As Geo has pointed out, he could be excellent. The Colts didn't let Cato June just walk away for no good reason. They see something in this guy. He is the typical Tampa 2 WLB. The Colts have done an excellent job of allowing established players leave (Mike Peterson, Edgerrin James, etc) while inserting a young player to fill his role.


        4. Jason Peters - The mammoth Left Tackle from Arkansas, Jason Peters was excellent in the last half of the '06 campaign. The converted tight end has the athleticism and pure size (6'4" 340-lbs) to be a dominant player. He flashed his abilities last year and I expect him to make a pro bowl this year.

        5. Cedric Benson - Benson is a prototype sledgehammer. The "old school" running back as it were. What he lacks in home run speed, elusiveness and impact on the passing game, he makes up for with down hill running down the throat of the defense. Once the Bears started to give him more and more carries, he improved. He is the kind of player who only runs harder as the game goes on. Without Thomas Jones in the picture, I anticipate a 300-carry season for Benson. I would not be surprised if he ended up with numbers you'd expect from say Rudi Johnson.


        6. Mark Clayton - The biggest mistake the Jacksonville Jaguars made was when they took Matt Jones, a converted QB/workout warrior, over Mark Clayton. I expect that they will regret that move for some time. Clayton has had stretches of dominance. Now with McNair being more acclimated to the offense and him being in the golden third year for the WR position, I think he will be a 1,100+ receiver in '07.


        7. Sean Taylor - He's reportedly slimmed down to allow him more flexibility. The Redskins added a competent safety besides him. He is the most talented safety in the NFL. All of those three elements should contribute to a breakout campaign. Sean Taylor should be the best safety in the NFL. Thus far he's been a major disappointment. I think this year he will finally become the player we all thought he would be back before the '04 draft.


        8. DJ Williams - The Al Wilson era is over in Denver. Now it's time for DJ Williams to ascend. He's been stuck in the black hole that is typically the SLB position. There is a reason that IDP fantasy leagues typically avoid SLB like the plague. Now he moves inside. The addition of Jim Bates helps, as he is known for allowing his Middle Linebackers to make plays sideline to sideline.


        9. Jason Campbell - Al Saunders' offense is infamous for it's girth and difficulty to master. Jason Campbell was decent last year, but word is he has been lighting up mini-camps. For the first time he's been able to actually progress in an offensive system. As a Redskin and a Auburn Tiger he hasn't had that luxury until just now.


        10. (homer alert) Michael Boley - With all I've been through, I should get to brag about what little is going right with my team. Michael Boley will be a stud. He has everything you look for in one of those late round gems, talent that can be molded. Every once in a while those types pan out. Boley excels because of his versatility. He is a 6'3" 236-lbs athlete who can play Safety, SLB and RE. In fact, he did so last year due to injuries. He's strong, fast and can fly. Best of all is he's shown a great work ethic and has been molded by Keith Brooking to turn his talent into on the field productivity. Last year he showed a nose for the ball, being involved with three sacks, two interceptions, one forced fumble and three fumble recoveries.

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        • #19
          Shiver, I like the Vernon Davis pick. He is a freakish athlete that will finally be healthy, and with the maturation of Alex Smith he will get the oppurtunity to make plays after the catch.


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          • #20
            Originally posted by Shiver View Post
            My top-10 breakout players:

            (in no particular order other than off the top of my head)

            1. Mario Williams - He has all the talent in the world, his problem is lacking the experience to utilize his gifts. Young defensive lineman rarely come into the league right away and dominate. The position takes time to learn technique necessary to succeed in the trenches. What will also help him is he now has a dedicated position, rather than being moved around like last year. He will also be healthy, which was an ongoing problem as a rookie. I expect a dominant year as a run stuffer and around double digit sacks as a pass rusher.


            2. Vernon Davis - Vernon Davis' is just a scary thought. He has the tool set that inspires fear into opposing NFL defensive coordinators. He struggled mightily in the first three games of the year, culminating in a broken leg against the Eagles. When he returned though he brought along with him more knowledge of the offense and he quickly dissipated the notion that he was 'just a workout warrior' as some claim. In the month of December he had 217 yards, 2 touchdowns on a 15.5 YPC basis. Those are fantastic numbers for the TE position. All of those stats despite Alex Smith overthrowing him deep, twice while open. You could almost add another 100 yards and two more touchdowns had Smith been accurate. He drew praise from Mike Nolan regarding his blocking, which was a weakness of his in college. Another year under his belt and with Alex Smith, and he may out do every other TE not named Antonio Gates.


            3. Freddie Keiaho - As Geo has pointed out, he could be excellent. The Colts didn't let Cato June just walk away for no good reason. They see something in this guy. He is the typical Tampa 2 WLB. The Colts have done an excellent job of allowing established players leave (Mike Peterson, Edgerrin James, etc) while inserting a young player to fill his role.


            4. Jason Peters - The mammoth Left Tackle from Arkansas, Jason Peters was excellent in the last half of the '06 campaign. The converted tight end has the athleticism and pure size (6'4" 340-lbs) to be a dominant player. He flashed his abilities last year and I expect him to make a pro bowl this year.

            5. Cedric Benson - Benson is a prototype sledgehammer. The "old school" running back as it were. What he lacks in home run speed, elusiveness and impact on the passing game, he makes up for with down hill running down the throat of the defense. Once the Bears started to give him more and more carries, he improved. He is the kind of player who only runs harder as the game goes on. Without Thomas Jones in the picture, I anticipate a 300-carry season for Benson. I would not be surprised if he ended up with numbers you'd expect from say Rudi Johnson.


            6. Mark Clayton - The biggest mistake the Jacksonville Jaguars made was when they took Matt Jones, a converted QB/workout warrior, over Mark Clayton. I expect that they will regret that move for some time. Clayton has had stretches of dominance. Now with McNair being more acclimated to the offense and him being in the golden third year for the WR position, I think he will be a 1,100+ receiver in '07.


            7. Sean Taylor - He's reportedly slimmed down to allow him more flexibility. The Redskins added a competent safety besides him. He is the most talented safety in the NFL. All of those three elements should contribute to a breakout campaign. Sean Taylor should be the best safety in the NFL. Thus far he's been a major disappointment. I think this year he will finally become the player we all thought he would be back before the '04 draft.


            8. DJ Williams - The Al Wilson era is over in Denver. Now it's time for DJ Williams to ascend. He's been stuck in the black hole that is typically the SLB position. There is a reason that IDP fantasy leagues typically avoid SLB like the plague. Now he moves inside. The addition of Jim Bates helps, as he is known for allowing his Middle Linebackers to make plays sideline to sideline.


            9. Jason Campbell - Al Saunders' offense is infamous for it's girth and difficulty to master. Jason Campbell was decent last year, but word is he has been lighting up mini-camps. For the first time he's been able to actually progress in an offensive system. As a Redskin and a Auburn Tiger he hasn't had that luxury until just now.


            10. (homer alert) Michael Boley - With all I've been through, I should get to brag about what little is going right with my team. Michael Boley will be a stud. He has everything you look for in one of those late round gems, talent that can be molded. Every once in a while those types pan out. Boley excels because of his versatility. He is a 6'3" 236-lbs athlete who can play Safety, SLB and RE. In fact, he did so last year due to injuries. He's strong, fast and can fly. Best of all is he's shown a great work ethic and has been molded by Keith Brooking to turn his talent into on the field productivity. Last year he showed a nose for the ball, being involved with three sacks, two interceptions, one forced fumble and three fumble recoveries.

            deangelo williams needs to be on that list


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            • #21
              Shiver, LOVE the list. Glad somebody else has noticed Taylor trimming down and Campbell stepping up.

              Good Vernon Davis pick, that should have been included in the article. I say give Mario Williams another year for his "true" breakout season. One year for Okoye, Williams, and Ryans that could possibly form a very nice, very young defense. Clayton should do well as long as McNair stays healthy, if Boller is in theres no way he's going over the 1k mark.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by bantx View Post
                deangelo williams needs to be on that list

                It's been hinted that he will be the primary back, but I want to see it first. I also am not sure about his durability. Though, I cannot say I would surprised at all if he had a great year.

                Originally posted by skinzzfan25 View Post
                Shiver, LOVE the list. Glad somebody else has noticed Taylor trimming down and Campbell stepping up.

                Good Vernon Davis pick, that should have been included in the article. I say give Mario Williams another year for his "true" breakout season. One year for Okoye, Williams, and Ryans that could possibly form a very nice, very young defense. Clayton should do well as long as McNair stays healthy, if Boller is in theres no way he's going over the 1k mark.
                Clayton actually does really well when Boller is in the game. They have an excellent connection. His statistics with Boller starting:
                • 1 for 42
                • 5 for 101 and two touchdowns
                • 3 for 11
                • 5 for 90 and one touchdown
                • 2 for 24
                • 7 for 105 and one touchdown
                • 7 for 86

                That isn't that bad, considering that Boller isn't that good.

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                • #23
                  In the words of Skip Bayless...Kyle "I should've been a" Boller


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                  • #24
                    I'm really riding the JP Losman bandwagon this year. From what I saw from Losman down the stretch last year made me believe that this is going to be a Pro Bowl caliber year for him. In fact, I expect the Buffalo Bills offense to be the breakout unit of the entire season, as they've put many pieces in place for it to be a dominant unit. They have a solid offensive line, anchored by another uprising star in tackle Jason Peters. They've added a more versatile running back in the draft in Marshawn Lynch. Add in that they have IMO a top five receiver in Lee Evans (who Losman has an excellent rapport with), you have the makings of a unit that could dominate this year. Expect Steve Fairchild to be far, far more aggressive this season, with Losman putting up big numbers.

                    I'm also dying to see what Al Saunders can unleash with Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, and Chris Cooley now that Campbell has another year under his belt.

                    It's going to be a very interesting NFL season. There iis an amazing amount of young talent in the league right now.
                    Last edited by yourfavestoner; 07-18-2007, 08:42 PM.

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                    • #25
                      The JP Losman bandwagon has become quite popular. I know I'm on it.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ravens1991 View Post
                        http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7...PHCP&GT1=10239


                        I agree with some of it, I dont like the rookie punter on it, and I dont think Dawan Landry will have a "break out year" with the season he just had.



                        So you can talk about this article or your predictions for break out players.
                        You've seen Gardocki Kick against you twice last year.. about 6 kicks per game.. to say that this kid might take the league by storm punting wise? He's the starter and he's probably going to give us a huge amount of "Hidden Yardage". I think he'll break out.

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                        • #27
                          eh losman was pretty decent, not on his bandwagon... anyway

                          no order
                          1. Vernon Davis
                          2. Jay Cutler
                          3. Greg Jennings
                          4. Braylon Edwards
                          5. JP Losman
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                          • #28
                            Nice list shiver.

                            One thing, id take Boley off because I think he had a breakout year last year, the only problem is no-one noticed it. As for now I'd rate him as an under-rated star as oppossed to a guy poised for his breakout year, IMO he is the best player on our defense bar none. For non falcon fans, think Julian Peterson as a very very good comparison . Stats wise he was right up there last year, and performed better than alot of bigger name players on the feild too. Hopefully this year he continues to improve and finally gets some props.

                            Id put Braylon Edwards on there in his place.

                            Finally, damn that punter light that guy up big time!
                            Last edited by DraftMichaelHuff; 07-18-2007, 10:15 PM.
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                            • #29
                              The thing about Edwards is his QB situation is atrocious. I don't think he will excel until Brady Quinn develops.

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                              • #30
                                This year I like Brandon Jones, Vincent Jackson and JP Losman for other teams.

                                For the Bengals it's Ahmad Brooks hands down.

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