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  • Beans
    started a topic Surefire Hall-of-Famers

    Surefire Hall-of-Famers

    What guys playing in the NFL right now are sure to be in the HOF when they retire?

    Favre, Manning, Tomlinson and Brady are prolly the most obvious ones.

    I'll put a vote for Derrick Brooks, too.

  • njx9
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    just because being a homer is fun occasionally...

    rod smith should get in, imo. i doubt he will solely on the "never the best at his position" bit, but there were years (pre-griese) in which he was one of the top wrs in the league.

    tom nalen should get in, but as 51 noted, the interior o-line bias (and the denver bias) will likely keep him out.

    i'd argue for lepsis, but being a top 5-10 LT is just nowhere near good enough. he could have his bust put up a mile or so down the street.

    al wilson strikes me as a guy who could be on the list for a few years before dropping off. as does john lynch.

    and just because i'm being a homer, i'm going to completely ignore the post guidelines and say that it's terrible that randy gradishar hasn't been inducted and that gary zimmerman likely won't be.

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  • sodar21
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    Brooks will get in. Rice is a bit of a longshot but he does have great career sack totals.

    Barber and Lynch won't get in though.

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  • yourfavestoner
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    Originally posted by eacantdraft
    Warren Sapp is not a sure thing and neither is Curtis Martin (the Art Monk among RBs).
    Warren Sapp probably has the best chance to make it into the Hall than any of his Tampa Bay counterparts like Brooks, Rice, Barber, and Lynch. If one player from that defense makes it into the Hall, it's going to be Sapp.

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  • sodar21
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    You can toss Randy Moss in as a sure fire hall of famer. His strech of dominance was probably the greatest ever by any reciever.

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  • Shiver
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    And TMQ's Gregg Easterbrook said that Jeff Saturday was a future Hall of Famer. :roll: Just because on person said something, doesn't make it so. Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor epitomize the "Hall of the very good." They aren't famous, and when this era is looked back upon, they won't be looked upon like there more heralded peers.

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  • Finz99
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    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
    Originally posted by Finsfan79
    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
    Originally posted by Finsfan79
    Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas

    Definitely JT

    Kevin Carter could get in as well for the longevity of his career and what he has accomplished.
    God damn you Dolphins fans are the worst. Zach Thomas is not a sure fire HOF. I'm not having this debate again.

    And Kevin Carter is just stupid.
    I will take Edwin Pope's opinion over yours thank you. Considering he is one of 4 people that have been to every super bowl and has been covering the NFL before you lived most likely. At the same time he has a HoF vote. He says Zach is a HoF then he is.

    Kevin Carter could end up making the lists, I said Could not for sure.

    But Zach Thomas will be in the HoF.
    Edwin Pope writes for the Miami Herald, what the hell do you expect him to say? Jesus Christ.

    This is not an overgeneralization, and I have no agenda against Thomas, I'm just sick of every single Dolphins fan thinking Thomas has a legacy in this game when he doesn't. We even made a freakin' poll if he had ANY chance of making the HOF, and guess what, he lost!!!!

    He was never the best at his position.

    The Dolphins haven't done bumpkis in the playoffs in his career.

    He's not a game changer, he's not influential, he doesn't make impact plays, and he doesn't have the ProBowls or the awards.

    He's a tackling machine, and he's a scrappy player, but that doesn't get you in the HOF. Give it up.
    ZOMG NOT A POLL!!!!1111!!111!!! :roll:

    I personally think him and Jason Taylor will be in the Hall of Fame.

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  • Space Ghost
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    QB: Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, Tom Brady
    RB: Marshall Faulk, Ladanian Tomlinson, Curtis Martin
    WR: Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison
    TE: Tony Gonzalez
    OL: Orlando Pace, Jonathan Ogden
    DL: Michael Strahan, Warren Sapp, Jason Taylor
    LB: Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, Junior Seau
    DB: Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins
    K: Adam Vinatieri

    Thats 20 and there are some younger guys who could make their way onto this list soon so it could be anywhere from 20 to 35, Im going to say no more than 30 though.

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  • bearsfan_51
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    Originally posted by Finsfan79
    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
    Originally posted by Finsfan79
    Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas

    Definitely JT

    Kevin Carter could get in as well for the longevity of his career and what he has accomplished.
    God damn you Dolphins fans are the worst. Zach Thomas is not a sure fire HOF. I'm not having this debate again.

    And Kevin Carter is just stupid.
    I will take Edwin Pope's opinion over yours thank you. Considering he is one of 4 people that have been to every super bowl and has been covering the NFL before you lived most likely. At the same time he has a HoF vote. He says Zach is a HoF then he is.

    Kevin Carter could end up making the lists, I said Could not for sure.

    But Zach Thomas will be in the HoF.
    Edwin Pope writes for the Miami Herald, what the hell do you expect him to say? Jesus Christ.

    This is not an overgeneralization, and I have no agenda against Thomas, I'm just sick of every single Dolphins fan thinking Thomas has a legacy in this game when he doesn't. We even made a freakin' poll if he had ANY chance of making the HOF, and guess what, he lost!!!!

    He was never the best at his position.

    The Dolphins haven't done bumpkis in the playoffs in his career.

    He's not a game changer, he's not influential, he doesn't make impact plays, and he doesn't have the ProBowls or the awards.

    He's a tackling machine, and he's a scrappy player, but that doesn't get you in the HOF. Give it up.

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  • eacantdraft
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    Warren Sapp is not a sure thing and neither is Curtis Martin (the Art Monk among RBs).

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  • Bohleive
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    Originally posted by eazyb81
    Originally posted by Bohleive
    First off, what? I never argued that DL didn't shift where they lined up. I merely said certain guys didn't line up vs JO. That remains true of Peppers. As for Mathis, I misspoke; he rarely lined up against JO and did nothing against him when he did. And I never agreed with you on JO getting dominated by anyone on your list other than Freeny, for one game out of three, in the dome, with bum knee. In fact I never conceded that they even 'gave him trouble'.
    I mentioned about 5 players that gave Ogden trouble, and the only one you refuted was Peppers. Therefore, it was implied that you agreed with me on the other players. I know for an absolute fact that Mathis did indeed get a sack off of Ogden, so i'm having a hard time taking anything you say seriously at this point.

    Secondly, you gave names, that's it. I responded with facts. None of those names got a sack against Ogden this season. Go ahead, respond with facts. Your opinion only has so much weight.
    LOL, what "facts" did you respond with outside of Pro Bowls? You have mentioned ad nauseum about Ogden's vaunted Pro Bowl nominations, but that simply indicates how well he was regarded by the fans - it has no bearing on his actual play.

    It appears that the crutch of your argument is the number of Ogden's Pro Bowl nominations, which is fairly weak on your part. Why even enter this discussion if the only tool you can use to judge a player's worth is how many times he has been to Hawaii? You could easily look up this information on wikipedia and save yourself a lot of time.

    Finally, Pro Bowls can be measured; 3 Pro Bowls, see theres a measurement. It's quantitative. Of course the award itself is not intrinsicly a statistic, a tackle by itself without numbers, the simple act, is not a quantitative statistic either. What's your point?
    You really can't comprehend by now what my point? Jesus man, you are slow. My whole point, which we have gone back and forth on numerous times, is that a Pro Bowl nomination is qualitative and subjective, not quantitative. It's a popularity contest. Period. End of story. I wish you could realize this, but it's obvious by now that you're slower than the average bear.
    First, Mathis DID NOT get a sack against Ogden. He got one off of Pashos in the playoff game if that is what you are refferring to. Second, I did gave facts; # of sacks vs. Third, I never even mentioned the number of pro bowls that JO has been to. Fourth, I said that a number of pro bowls was a statistic, nothing else. If you were making the point that they were subjective, it was nebulous at best. Of course they are subjective. So are HOF selections. That doesn't mean they are irrelevant. I also already said that the system, while subjective, is still useful. By your logic, HOF selections are a popularity contest too, so why shouldn't pro bowls be considered?

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  • Jughead10
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    Originally posted by eazyb81
    Originally posted by Jughead10
    Ogden most certainly made Pro Bowls he didn't deserve, but right now he is the best OT of this era. Pace had a chance to pass him but I don't its gonna happen anymore. The fact that he won a Super Bowl and was on a unit that blocked for a 2,000 yard rusher are two huge things he has over most OTs.
    :?:

    Pace has a SB ring and was the best blocker for one of the greatest offensive units of this era - The Greatest Show On Turf.
    I know Pace has a ring as well. But the 2,000 yard rusher is much more impressive than blocking for the greatest show on turf. Especially since it was a different year than Ogden's Super Bowl year. Pace seems to tiring out and getting banged up a bit earlier in his career than Ogden. I thought Pace would be considered the best of this era but I don't think that is the case anymore.

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  • eazyb81
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    Originally posted by Jughead10
    Ogden most certainly made Pro Bowls he didn't deserve, but right now he is the best OT of this era. Pace had a chance to pass him but I don't its gonna happen anymore. The fact that he won a Super Bowl and was on a unit that blocked for a 2,000 yard rusher are two huge things he has over most OTs.
    :?:

    Pace has a SB ring and was the best blocker for one of the greatest offensive units of this era - The Greatest Show On Turf.

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  • eazyb81
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    Originally posted by Bohleive
    First off, what? I never argued that DL didn't shift where they lined up. I merely said certain guys didn't line up vs JO. That remains true of Peppers. As for Mathis, I misspoke; he rarely lined up against JO and did nothing against him when he did. And I never agreed with you on JO getting dominated by anyone on your list other than Freeny, for one game out of three, in the dome, with bum knee. In fact I never conceded that they even 'gave him trouble'.
    I mentioned about 5 players that gave Ogden trouble, and the only one you refuted was Peppers. Therefore, it was implied that you agreed with me on the other players. I know for an absolute fact that Mathis did indeed get a sack off of Ogden, so i'm having a hard time taking anything you say seriously at this point.

    Secondly, you gave names, that's it. I responded with facts. None of those names got a sack against Ogden this season. Go ahead, respond with facts. Your opinion only has so much weight.
    LOL, what "facts" did you respond with outside of Pro Bowls? You have mentioned ad nauseum about Ogden's vaunted Pro Bowl nominations, but that simply indicates how well he was regarded by the fans - it has no bearing on his actual play.

    It appears that the crutch of your argument is the number of Ogden's Pro Bowl nominations, which is fairly weak on your part. Why even enter this discussion if the only tool you can use to judge a player's worth is how many times he has been to Hawaii? You could easily look up this information on wikipedia and save yourself a lot of time.

    Finally, Pro Bowls can be measured; 3 Pro Bowls, see theres a measurement. It's quantitative. Of course the award itself is not intrinsicly a statistic, a tackle by itself without numbers, the simple act, is not a quantitative statistic either. What's your point?
    You really can't comprehend by now what my point? Jesus man, you are slow. My whole point, which we have gone back and forth on numerous times, is that a Pro Bowl nomination is qualitative and subjective, not quantitative. It's a popularity contest. Period. End of story. I wish you could realize this, but it's obvious by now that you're slower than the average bear.

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  • Jughead10
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    Ogden most certainly made Pro Bowls he didn't deserve, but right now he is the best OT of this era. Pace had a chance to pass him but I don't its gonna happen anymore. The fact that he won a Super Bowl and was on a unit that blocked for a 2,000 yard rusher are two huge things he has over most OTs.

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