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  • bigbluedefense
    started a topic Assistants Who Should Be Head Coaches

    Assistants Who Should Be Head Coaches

    The place is moving real slow, and Im finally getting some more free time to post more often, so I figured Id start up something to get our minds off the other "story" surrounding the NFL these days. Who do you think is an assistant in the NFL right now that is worthy of getting a HC job? Here is my list


    Rob Ryan: Oakland Raiders Defensive Coordinator

    To me, what he's done is more impressive than his brother Rex. They run similar schemes, and I love both of them, but Rob got near equal production out of a group that was on the field alot more than the Ravens defense, had major negativity surrounding the clubhouse, and out of players with less talent than the Ravens. Don't get me wrong, he has talent, and lots of it, but its still impressive what he did with this unit.

    And he has an impressive resume. He was a linebackers coach in NE under Bellichick, and he's son of Buddy Ryan (so is Rex of course). He has experience in the 4-3 and 3-4, and he seems like he can garner respect from his players since he was able to make the Raiders focus under such adverse conditions and actually had the whole team pulling for him to be the new HC in the offseason.

    He's my personal first choice as a Tom Coughlin replacement for the Giants if we decide to get an upcoming assistant coach as our new HC. (yes, im already thinking of Coughlin replacements).


    Norm Chow: Tennesee Titans Offensive Coordinator

    Im surprised that a man like Chow doesn't even get mentioned as a possible HC. His resume is very impressive. He's helped mold Matt Leinart, Vince Young, and Phillip Rivers. He's not pass happy, and his offenses generally have a good balance to it. He knows how to develop young quarterbacks and adjust to his players strengths. His resume basically speaks for itself. He would also be the first Asian American HC if he ever becomes one, which I think would be pretty cool. I don't care if he's purple, the man is a brilliant mind and deserves a shot at HC. Hopefully his chance comes soon. If youre a team with a young developing quarterback, this is the guy to get. He'll develop him properly.

    Ron Rivera: San Diego's Linebackers Coach

    I personally blame Ron Rivera for the Bear's losing the superbowl. I really do. I felt that the weather was a gift from the football gods and he didnt take advantage of it. When it was pouring the way it was, why wasn't he aggressive? Why didn't he blitz Peyton? Instead he essentially had his guys play prevent the whole game, and made Peyton's life easy by allowing him to check down all game. The deepball wasn't there, the weather wouldn't allow it. There was no need to put so much emphasis on defending it. To me, the Bears couldve won that Superbowl if Rivera didn't call a horrible game.


    However, (even though i just ripped him), this is the man to get if you want to run a Tampa 2 defense. He's a military man, he garners respect from his guys, good motivator, and he's one of the better Cover 2 minds out there. If youre going Cover 2, Ron Rivera is your man.


    Possible other guys that I need to pay more attention to: Mike Zimmer (anyone under Parcells tree seems golden almost), Mike Singletary (gotta see him take a more proactive role in Xs and Os first)


    Im sure there are a couple of names I left out. I want to hear who you think is worthy and why. Let's talk about something else for a change.
    Last edited by bigbluedefense; 07-19-2007, 08:01 PM.

  • Iamcanadian
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    I think the ranks of assistants has been plundered quite a bit the last 2 years and I don't see too many coordinators who are ready for the next step. I think the #1 coordinator who will get another shot is Martz. The players love playing for him, he's been a real winner in this league, he is a decent drafter and know how to develope players. His health drove him out of HCing but he's healthy again and any team that wants to be a contender should look seriously at hiring him.

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  • Iamcanadian
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    Originally posted by OzTitan View Post
    I think Norm Chow's career is the perfect example of doing your niche job too well and not getting promoted for it. He is excellent with young QB's and offenses, and so far, that's all teams both college and NFL have really wanted him for. He may be a great HC, but he's viewed as a specialist. I think soon though he will be given his chance.
    I think racism will play a part in his career. There are a lot of owners who simply won't give him a chance.

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  • bigbluedefense
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    Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
    Obviously the Bears didn't trust their safeties enough after that to continue with the pressure. Another blown coverage like that (which could've easily happened with young safeties such as Manning and Harris, neither of which has played more than 2 years in the NFL) would've likely led to another TD, so the Bears (probably Lovie's call to switch) decided that instead of gambling on their safeties, they would gamble on their front 7 and the weather to force the Colts into mistakes (which they actually did), and contain the Colts' offense as much as possible (the Colts' offense scored 16 points the rest of the way on a TD and 3 FGs).
    The scoreboard wasn't reflective of how the game was played. By allowing Peyton to check down, yes, they might have reduced the possible # of points by forcing field goals, but they also allowed him to run the clock, and wear out their defense. It shouldve been the other way around. They shouldve dictated the tempo with their run game, instead they allowed Peyton to dictate the game. That was a mistake. And also, Peyton has a history of not playing well when being blitzed. That weather was the perfect oppurtunity to blitz him and with less risk. Like I said, yes, it led to one blown play, but I feel that it was a mistake to abandon the philosophy just because of one play. My belief is that they shouldve continued to force Peyton to make the difficult throw all game rather than give him the option of checking down. Maybe it was Lovie's call, we don't know. But whoever made that call, made a mistake in my opinion.



    Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
    Where have you heard this? I live near Chicago and they did about 5 interviews with Ron Rivera in the month after the Super Bowl on local sports talk radio, and whenever questions like that were brought up, he never talked about how he would implement a Tampa 2 as a head coach, and he always seemed to talk about his time under Jim Johnson as having a great influence on him. To me, that saidthat his defense would most likely resemble a Jim Johnson defense (obviously with his own little tweaks and variations) if given the oppurtunity as a Head Coach somewhere.
    To be honest, I can't look up the exact link or anything, but I do recall some credible Bear posters on this forum saying that he said he would run Cover 2. Shoot, if he doesn't run a pure Cover 2, I actually wouldn't be opposed to seeing him as the next Giants HC. Thats the one thing that scares him away for me personally. I don't want to see the Cover 2 in New York.

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  • awfullyquiet
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    wow.
    Few things.
    One. Norm Chow.
    I still haven't figured out WHY he hasn't gotten an HC position yet. The giants may be pretty good with him at the helm. because honestly.

    Two.
    Ron Rivera is 1/2 to blame for the Superbowl And 2005 vs Carolina losses.
    Cover 3 was not the way to contain steve smith.
    Deep Cover 2 was not the way to contain wayne, harrison and manning.
    They played ultra-conservative, didn't prepare, and looked exactly the same as they did against a superior team. They were overmatched statistically. But in both games, they let bad coaching dictate the outcome of the game. Because from a purely game-wise standpoint, both games could have gone the either way.

    And lastly
    one play can change a whole gameplan. if one play causes you to lose faith in a particular element of your team. you will gameplan around your handicap at that exact moment to prevent further weakness.

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  • Dam8610
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    Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
    The only reason why that one particular deepball was there was because Manning blew his assignment. You can't change your whole gameplan because of one botched play. That was a mistake on his part. And go back and look at the ball thrown by Peyton. It was a floater that was inaccurate. The only reason why thats a TD is because he was SO wide open. The deep ball wasn't there, Rivera shouldve noticed that and kept staying aggressive. By forcing Peyton to check down, he actually made his life easier. The harder thing for Peyton to do under those circumstances is to throw the ball downfield with pressure in his face. Thats what Rivera shouldve forced him to do all game.
    Obviously the Bears didn't trust their safeties enough after that to continue with the pressure. Another blown coverage like that (which could've easily happened with young safeties such as Manning and Harris, neither of which has played more than 2 years in the NFL) would've likely led to another TD, so the Bears (probably Lovie's call to switch) decided that instead of gambling on their safeties, they would gamble on their front 7 and the weather to force the Colts into mistakes (which they actually did), and contain the Colts' offense as much as possible (the Colts' offense scored 16 points the rest of the way on a TD and 3 FGs).

    Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
    As for Rivera's background, he's stated that he would implement a Cover 2 defense to whichever team he goes to. What makes him a good HC is his background. While I hate the Tampa 2, I do like Chicago's version of it moreso than the other versions, because they run alot of man coverages and blitzes compared to other Tampa 2 variations. Im still not a big fan of it, but if I do like his variation of the scheme better than Dungy's for example.

    And his implementation of techniques he's learned such as the absolute blitz technique and zone blitz packages would only make his scheme better. I have no problem with it.
    Where have you heard this? I live near Chicago and they did about 5 interviews with Ron Rivera in the month after the Super Bowl on local sports talk radio, and whenever questions like that were brought up, he never talked about how he would implement a Tampa 2 as a head coach, and he always seemed to talk about his time under Jim Johnson as having a great influence on him. To me, that saidthat his defense would most likely resemble a Jim Johnson defense (obviously with his own little tweaks and variations) if given the oppurtunity as a Head Coach somewhere.

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  • bigbluedefense
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    It will be an absolute crime if Russ Grimm doesn't get a HC job this upcoming year.

    As for Trovac (however you spell it), I don't think he should. If his defense is as good as some will lead you to believe, then he's actually underachieved as a DC because they have not lived up to expectations. Also, its tough to know for sure what youre getting out of him, because the defense is essentially in the mold of John Fox's scheme. I guess you can determine his worth based on playcalling, but I haven't payed enough attention to him in that regards to make an accurate assessment.

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  • bigbluedefense
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    Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
    Wow, this couldn't be more flawed. Where to begin....well, for starters, the Bears were agressive early on, and it was paying dividends...until Danieal Manning blew his coverage and Reggie Wayne streaked upfield wide open and was hit by Peyton Manning for a 53 yard TD pass (the deep ball you claim "wasn't there"). After that, the Bears decided to back off into a Cover 2 shell and force the Colts to make long drives downfield, hoping to force a mistake somewhere along the way. Basically, they showed they were afraid to get burnt by Peyton Manning yet again after he did it once, so they decided to make the running/short passing game of the Colts beat them, which it did. Now, onto Rivera being the "perfect Tampa 2 man". This couldn't be further from the truth. Rivera came from the Buddy Ryan and Jim Johnson school of defense, and basically had the Tampa 2 scheme shoved down his throat by Lovie Smith. Rivera's influence is what made the Bears' Tampa 2 defense a unique one from most other Tampa 2 schemes in the league, especially in his usage of Brian Urlacher. If Rivera had his way, the Bears' defense would've resembled the Eagles' defense moreso than the Bucs' defense.
    The only reason why that one particular deepball was there was because Manning blew his assignment. You can't change your whole gameplan because of one botched play. That was a mistake on his part. And go back and look at the ball thrown by Peyton. It was a floater that was inaccurate. The only reason why thats a TD is because he was SO wide open. The deep ball wasn't there, Rivera shouldve noticed that and kept staying aggressive. By forcing Peyton to check down, he actually made his life easier. The harder thing for Peyton to do under those circumstances is to throw the ball downfield with pressure in his face. Thats what Rivera shouldve forced him to do all game.

    As for Rivera's background, he's stated that he would implement a Cover 2 defense to whichever team he goes to. What makes him a good HC is his background. While I hate the Tampa 2, I do like Chicago's version of it moreso than the other versions, because they run alot of man coverages and blitzes compared to other Tampa 2 variations. Im still not a big fan of it, but if I do like his variation of the scheme better than Dungy's for example.

    And his implementation of techniques he's learned such as the absolute blitz technique and zone blitz packages would only make his scheme better. I have no problem with it.

    I think he'd make a better HC than a DC honestly.

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  • BigDawg819
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    Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
    Wow, this couldn't be more flawed. Where to begin....well, for starters, the Bears were agressive early on, and it was paying dividends...until Danieal Manning blew his coverage and Reggie Wayne streaked upfield wide open and was hit by Peyton Manning for a 53 yard TD pass (the deep ball you claim "wasn't there"). After that, the Bears decided to back off into a Cover 2 shell and force the Colts to make long drives downfield, hoping to force a mistake somewhere along the way. Basically, they showed they were afraid to get burnt by Peyton Manning yet again after he did it once, so they decided to make the running/short passing game of the Colts beat them, which it did. Now, onto Rivera being the "perfect Tampa 2 man". This couldn't be further from the truth. Rivera came from the Buddy Ryan and Jim Johnson school of defense, and basically had the Tampa 2 scheme shoved down his throat by Lovie Smith. Rivera's influence is what made the Bears' Tampa 2 defense a unique one from most other Tampa 2 schemes in the league, especially in his usage of Brian Urlacher. If Rivera had his way, the Bears' defense would've resembled the Eagles' defense moreso than the Bucs' defense.
    Deny it all you want, the deep ball wasn't there. A blown assignment by Manning, as you said, allowed an opportunity that Peyton exploited and changed the Bears whole defensive philosophy. In other words if Daniel doesn't blow that coverage, Peyton may still be this generations Dan Marino.



    As for Head Coaches for the future, I agree with the Rob Ryan assessment from BBD but still think Rex will get the nod eventhough it pains me to say so. Rex needs to stay put as our DC and just be happy!

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  • bearsfan_51
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    Are we talking about anyone? Because it still amazes me that Jeff Tedford hasn't gotten an NFL job yet. Bobby Petrino is a good offensive mind but puhleaze. Steve Mariucci got a job for doing a whole lot less at Cal than what Tedford has done.

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  • MasterShake
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    Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
    Singletary has said publicly he just wants his LBers.
    I'm not sure if or when he said this....

    But the last few years he has been interviewed for several HC jobs and is actively seeking one.

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  • Dam8610
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    Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
    I personally blame Ron Rivera for the Bear's losing the superbowl. I really do. I felt that the weather was a gift from the football gods and he didnt take advantage of it. When it was pouring the way it was, why wasn't he aggressive? Why didn't he blitz Peyton? Instead he essentially had his guys play prevent the whole game, and made Peyton's life easy by allowing him to check down all game. The deepball wasn't there, the weather wouldn't allow it. There was no need to put so much emphasis on defending it. To me, the Bears couldve won that Superbowl if Rivera didn't call a horrible game.


    However, (even though i just ripped him), this is the man to get if you want to run a Tampa 2 defense. He's a military man, he garners respect from his guys, good motivator, and he's one of the better Cover 2 minds out there. If youre going Cover 2, Ron Rivera is your man.
    Wow, this couldn't be more flawed. Where to begin....well, for starters, the Bears were agressive early on, and it was paying dividends...until Danieal Manning blew his coverage and Reggie Wayne streaked upfield wide open and was hit by Peyton Manning for a 53 yard TD pass (the deep ball you claim "wasn't there"). After that, the Bears decided to back off into a Cover 2 shell and force the Colts to make long drives downfield, hoping to force a mistake somewhere along the way. Basically, they showed they were afraid to get burnt by Peyton Manning yet again after he did it once, so they decided to make the running/short passing game of the Colts beat them, which it did. Now, onto Rivera being the "perfect Tampa 2 man". This couldn't be further from the truth. Rivera came from the Buddy Ryan and Jim Johnson school of defense, and basically had the Tampa 2 scheme shoved down his throat by Lovie Smith. Rivera's influence is what made the Bears' Tampa 2 defense a unique one from most other Tampa 2 schemes in the league, especially in his usage of Brian Urlacher. If Rivera had his way, the Bears' defense would've resembled the Eagles' defense moreso than the Bucs' defense.

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  • BlindSite
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    Originally posted by KCJ58 View Post
    Singletary has said publicly he just wants his LBers.

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  • Shiver
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    Jim Caldwell from the Colts.

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  • Splat
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    Originally posted by remix 6 View Post
    Pepper Johnson

    Patriots DL coach..coached LBs aswell
    Thats my Madded HC.

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