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  • #91
    I think VY will win 1 or 2 during his career.


    But also some people are really underrating Vick.

    he had a fantasitc 2nd year in the league. MVP type season, also beat The Packers @ Lambeau in the playoffs, so i don't know how people can say Young is farther along then Vick was at the same spot in their career.

    Also i have to throw this statistic out there

    Vick's first 44 games as a starter in the NFL 30-14

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    • #92
      Originally posted by dre1614 View Post
      I think VY will win 1 or 2 during his career.


      But also some people are really underrating Vick.

      he had a fantasitc 2nd year in the league. MVP type season, also beat The Packers @ Lambeau in the playoffs, so i don't know how people can say Young is farther along then Vick was at the same spot in their career.

      Also i have to throw this statistic out there

      Vick's first 44 games as a starter in the NFL 30-14
      Vick is extremely underrated by most on these boards. They just bring up random passing statistics and think that they prove he's a terrible QB.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Shiver View Post
        I beg to differ. He had a few nice games and exceeded expectations. The reason the Titans "won" those games was not because of Vince Young, but rather the team playing better around him.
        • If Donovan McNabb doesn't get hurt early on, they don't beat the Eagles.
        • If Osi Umenyiora finishes the job, they don't beat the Giants.
        • If Rob Bironas doesn't hit an improbable 60 yard FG, they don't beat the Colts.
        • If David Garrard doesn't hand the Titans three defensive touchdowns, they don't beat the Jaguars.

        You can credit Vince Young for the wins against the Texans and Bills. The Titans were the luckiest team I can think of, in recent memory. It will catch up to them; hence why I predict a terrible season from them.

        look at how many "ifs" you just listed...i mean, come on now...do you know how many teams we could do that to in the league...I could do one for the chargers, that would have them facing the colts in the AFC champ game, and probably on to win the super bowl...I could list a bunch that would have the pats winning the super bowl, I could also "if" the broncos way into the playoffs, along with the jags, and "if" the cowboys past the seahawks...


        you guys come up with the most ridiculous points sometimes...if you honestly have to come up with a list of "ifs" as to why things went the way they did, then theres no point...Im sure alot of those same "ifs" happened his senior year at UT, and during the NC game vs USC as well....


        and you also have to take into account what VY does for the entire team, as far as motivation, and wanting to go out and play hard for him...you have NO idea how he affected that entire teams morale when he took over the reigns, and i remember reading the interviews from the veterans on the defense, and the O line saying they were out their playing even harder for vince, which means the defensive players as well....


        first its he needs to sit for 2-3 years before he can understand the offense...then its his passing stats are horrible as if he's not a rookie qb, then its the defense who won all those games....funny how everyone cries out about how important the qb position is, but when we talk about vince young its EVERY OTHER possible scenario except his play that affected the team...did you notice the same defense wasnt showing up and making big plays early in the year when collins played? they also had the same RB back then, yet were still losing and counting down to calvin johnson....


        im so tired of some of the people on here finding excuses for vince not being all he's cracked up to be, but its never going to stop...he did wonders for a team that was destined to be picking top 3 in the draft, everything he did for his team doesnt show up on that stat sheet...





        Originally posted by Scott Wright
        I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Shiver View Post
          You cannot credit Vince Young for any of those; hence the 'he wins games' argument holds no merit. Football is a team sport, and he was hardly as important a piece in their late season run as some would lead everyone to believe. I know, I was once in your shoes with Michael Vick using the same lines. Before I wised up, that is, and realized the BS I was spewing. In the end, eventually the luck (see the '04 Falcons for a diagram in luck) will run out.
          NOW its bs because vick is about to go to jail? thats funny, eventually the luck runs out? your acting like they had a playoff run deep into the playoffs, or won a coin toss to get in, they didnt even make the playoffs...and i find a hard time believing they will struggle the next 8 years frankly because "their luck ran out", or if your suggesting that the titans will go nowhere, and neither will vince because of the situation with vick/atlanta his whole career is even crazier...i guess all black qb's stick together, seeing as how vick was the most recent high profile black qb, its almost a sure thing VY career ends up exactly similiar to his, start off good, levels off only to take his team nowhere....but ya they are both black, so your right their luck will run out just like atlanta and vicks, i love the logic on that one **rolls eyes**





          Originally posted by Scott Wright
          I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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          • #95
            For all the "what ifs" the Titans had in 06 for their win column, they had just as many for the loss column.

            What if Fisher and Co didn't screw up the QB position the first three weeks with Collins but started VY early? Maybe the Jets and Dolphins games (both very close despite HORRIBLE QB play) were wins. Maybe VY would have been more effective by the 2nd half of the season, which is a scary thought actually.

            What if the 3rd string TE didn't blow a blocking assignment on the game winning FG attempt against the Ravens. What if Pacman didn't come off the field with a stinger the play Manning victimized Woolfolk on the game winning TD in Indy (a game they won by 1 measly point).

            What if Fisher and Co went to the OL configuration (Roos-Bell-Mawae-Olson-Stewart) from week 1 instead of week 5 or whatever it was that ended up producing some of the best rushing games the NFL saw last season. Fans here and elsewhere were calling for this config before preseason let alone mid regular season - low and behold, it worked wonders.

            What if Haynesworth and Pacman weren't suspended for 1 (or more in Albert's case) games? They're both hugely important players on the D.

            The Titans were a very "in the moment" team last year, playing on the edge of victory and defeat quite often. The "luck" went both ways, but if anything it was arguably against them more. In any case, VY is the type of player you want at QB in those "on the edge" games, and this came through often in 06.

            Oh and the "Garrard playing bad" excuse doesn't even come close to flying. Bad players play bad, it's part of football. If that were a valid excuse, so would 50% of all losses. It doesn't even register as a trivial excuse.
            Last edited by OzTitan; 07-24-2007, 08:48 PM.

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            • #96
              He wont ever win The Madden Curse lives on aaaaahhhhaahaha

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              • #97
                I don't think he'll win one either ...scramblers might get there but they have a hardtime winning...

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by OzTitan View Post
                  For all the "what ifs" the Titans had in 06 for their win column, they had just as many for the loss column.

                  What if Fisher and Co didn't screw up the QB position the first three weeks with Collins but started VY early? Maybe the Jets and Dolphins games (both very close despite HORRIBLE QB play) were wins. Maybe VY would have been more effective by the 2nd half of the season, which is a scary thought actually.

                  What if the 3rd string TE didn't blow a blocking assignment on the game winning FG attempt against the Ravens. What if Pacman didn't come off the field with a stinger the play Manning victimized Woolfolk on the game winning TD in Indy (a game they won by 1 measly point).

                  What if Fisher and Co went to the OL configuration (Roos-Bell-Mawae-Olson-Stewart) from week 1 instead of week 5 or whatever it was that ended up producing some of the best rushing games the NFL saw last season. Fans here and elsewhere were calling for this config before preseason let alone mid regular season - low and behold, it worked wonders.

                  What if Haynesworth and Pacman weren't suspended for 1 (or more in Albert's case) games? They're both hugely important players on the D.

                  The Titans were a very "in the moment" team last year, playing on the edge of victory and defeat quite often. The "luck" went both ways, but if anything it was arguably against them more. In any case, VY is the type of player you want at QB in those "on the edge" games, and this came through often in 06.

                  Oh and the "Garrard playing bad" excuse doesn't even come close to flying. Bad players play bad, it's part of football. If that were a valid excuse, so would 50% of all losses. It doesn't even register as a trivial excuse.
                  True they won those games fairly, but that doesn't mean that Vince won them himself, which many people seem to give him credit for. Vince didn't win 8 games. The Titans did.

                  The Jaguars game: 8/15 85 yards, 70.1 rating. No turnovers, but that game was not a game where he took over and won it on his own.

                  Against Houston, he had a very good game, on top of running for the game winning score. He was a major factor in that one. No TDs through the air, but his yardage and percentage were excellent, and he had a good day on the ground.

                  In the win against Indy, he was decent, 15/25 163 2TD-2INT. Not a bad game, not a particularly good one either. I wouldn't give him credit for "winning" that one, especially since the game was won on an obscenely long FG attempt.

                  Philly: 8/22 101 yards, 1 TD. No turnovers, but the yardage and percentage were awful. Not a game where he deserves credit for "winning" the game. The game was a blowout, too, so its not like he threw a last minute game winning TD.

                  Against Washington, he didn't really do anything special. Same with the game against Houston in Tennessee.

                  Let me just say though: I do like Vince, I think he has a brilliant future in the league and even though I personally would have voted for Colston, Vince winning OROY was fine in my books. He had an excellent year. Even though as I demonstrated above, in many games he did not truly will the team to victory, he deserves credit for assuming a leadership role, and not throwing games away, while in fact being a leading cause in a few wins.


                  Originally posted by Scott Wright
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                  • #99
                    He obviously didn't win them by himself, but he was a huge part of the turn around. I sincerely don't believe the Titans would have come close to 8-8 without him.

                    It's not always stats, it's the impact he had on the team from a leader standpoint too. In the Giants game, veterans right afterwards in post game press conferences explained how the game for them turned around the instant Vince took a cheap shot on the sidelines and got up straight away even more fired up. After that point he was a man on a mission and the whole team got behind him. He became a true leader for the Titans a few games after taking the starting role, and this is a rookie QB we're talking about. It's not even speculation, the veterans on many occasions have said the team was totally different from top to bottom when he took the reigns.

                    If Vince was a 5th year pro last season, it would have been a disappointing (yet still exciting) season, but he was a rookie. He did carry the team from an offensive leadership position and came up big in key parts of games. His stats are quite normal for a rookie QB but his impact was beyond normal. It takes looking beyond static web site stat sheets to understand this.

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                    • I guess when you think about vince youngs rookie year its not just about stats. you have to ask yourself, how many games did vince young win that collins wouldnt have, and id have to say at least 5. i doubt the titans wouldve won more than 3 games if collins had been the QB all season, and thats where his value is apparant the most.

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                      • Originally posted by Cashmoneydrew View Post
                        I guess when you think about vince youngs rookie year its not just about stats. you have to ask yourself, how many games did vince young win that collins wouldnt have, and id have to say at least 5. i doubt the titans wouldve won more than 3 games if collins had been the QB all season, and thats where his value is apparant the most.
                        That was harsh, but sadly true I have no other evidence to dispute that because of Collin's history on the Raiders...

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                        • its not harsh, he was on pace to throw 32 INTs and complete fewer than fifty percent of his passes.

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                          • Originally posted by CutlerChris View Post
                            True they won those games fairly, but that doesn't mean that Vince won them himself, which many people seem to give him credit for. Vince didn't win 8 games. The Titans did.

                            The Jaguars game: 8/15 85 yards, 70.1 rating. No turnovers, but that game was not a game where he took over and won it on his own.

                            Against Houston, he had a very good game, on top of running for the game winning score. He was a major factor in that one. No TDs through the air, but his yardage and percentage were excellent, and he had a good day on the ground.

                            In the win against Indy, he was decent, 15/25 163 2TD-2INT. Not a bad game, not a particularly good one either. I wouldn't give him credit for "winning" that one, especially since the game was won on an obscenely long FG attempt.

                            Philly: 8/22 101 yards, 1 TD. No turnovers, but the yardage and percentage were awful. Not a game where he deserves credit for "winning" the game. The game was a blowout, too, so its not like he threw a last minute game winning TD.

                            Against Washington, he didn't really do anything special. Same with the game against Houston in Tennessee.

                            Let me just say though: I do like Vince, I think he has a brilliant future in the league and even though I personally would have voted for Colston, Vince winning OROY was fine in my books. He had an excellent year. Even though as I demonstrated above, in many games he did not truly will the team to victory, he deserves credit for assuming a leadership role, and not throwing games away, while in fact being a leading cause in a few wins.

                            I understand where your coming from, but at the same time why when its Vince in question its always "he didnt win those games his self", but when were talking about lets say peyton manning its a different story...

                            Did he win the first playoff game vs the ravens, how about the pats? or the bears? or did his defense win those games?

                            however you look at it, very few victories can be credited without most of it going to the qb, because they can easily find a way to lose games...if winning games, and not making mistakes was so easy as some demonstrate, then why cant anyone explain why some qb's never get it(tim couch, akili smith)...I dont think Vince has to throw for 300 yds and 4 td's to officially "win the game" for the titans...even games where qb's have great passing games and keep them in the game, alot of credit always goes to the o line, and in alot of cases the defense...Its not like Vince had a trent dilfer type of year, he made huge plays all year...

                            So me looking at the titans unit, which was the same team kerry collins had and couldnt win with, with the same defense...i find it hard to believe to not credit Vince with most of the turnaround and say he had majority to do with those games....





                            Originally posted by Scott Wright
                            I guarantee that if someone picks Cam Newton in the Top 5 they will regret it.

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                            • Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                              first its he needs to sit for 2-3 years before he can understand the offense...then its his passing stats are horrible as if he's not a rookie qb, then its the defense who won all those games....funny how everyone cries out about how important the qb position is, but when we talk about vince young its EVERY OTHER possible scenario except his play that affected the team...did you notice the same defense wasnt showing up and making big plays early in the year when collins played? they also had the same RB back then, yet were still losing and counting down to calvin johnson....


                              im so tired of some of the people on here finding excuses for vince not being all he's cracked up to be, but its never going to stop...he did wonders for a team that was destined to be picking top 3 in the draft, everything he did for his team doesnt show up on that stat sheet...
                              You forgot to mention my favorite one: Vince Young won't be able to run the ball in the NFL.


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                              • Originally posted by Modano View Post
                                You forgot to mention my favorite one: Vince Young won't be able to run the ball in the NFL.
                                That one was good. However, I like the "OMG he scored 8 on his Wonderlic he's too stupid to play in the NFL!"

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