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  • #61
    QB- Right now their best QB is McCown. I think Culpepper isnt healthy enough yet and Russell was a terrible pick.

    RB- They have a good RB by comitee system going.

    WR- Porter is a good #2 and Curry could be good but gets hurt way to often. Gabriel aint bad, but dont expect anything great from him.

    TE- Miller was a nice pickup.

    OL- Is terrible. QB's will be sacked all day and RB's will have no where to go.

    DL- Very good here. Though how much longer will Sapp be a good DT.

    LB- Howard and Morrison are good, but who will line up next to them is the problem.

    DB- Good starting CB's and good depth here. S spots are of some concern.


    I also wanna see how will Kiffin makes the jump from Ast in college to HC in pros
    Really theyre just a bit better than last year



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    • #62
      Originally posted by Windy City Big Gamer Uno View Post
      people don't see how badly the team was coached last year. they just see stat lines and say whatever comes to mind. we actually have a real life offensive line coach and a real life offensive coordinator. not some mayor guy who hadn't worked for a decade.

      seriously look at who we had...tom walsh and john shoop as the OC.
      The Raiders, outside of Jon Gruden, have been poorly coached since the first time Art Shell was coach (and even then it wasn't anything special). People constantly turn the Raiders job down because there's no job security, which is why Davis is forced to hire guys like Shell, Bugel, or in this case a guy that has absolutely no credentials to be an NFL head coach.

      I mean..was Art Shell a poor coach? Sure. But why does a guy that wasn't even entrusted to run a college offense going to make drastic improvements in the NFL with overall terrible talent?


      Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
        The Raiders, outside of Jon Gruden, have been poorly coached since the first time Art Shell was coach (and even then it wasn't anything special). People constantly turn the Raiders job down because there's no job security, which is why Davis is forced to hire guys like Shell, Bugel, or in this case a guy that has absolutely no credentials to be an NFL head coach.

        I mean..was Art Shell a poor coach? Sure. But why does a guy that wasn't even entrusted to run a college offense going to make drastic improvements in the NFL with overall terrible talent?
        i agree kiffin as a head coach is a very risky move but from what i have read/seen i feel comfortable saying the team will win at least a few more games. when shell was hired i knew the season would suck. to think we could of had sean payton instead of norv turner :|

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Windy City Big Gamer Uno View Post
          i agree kiffin as a head coach is a very risky move but from what i have read/seen i feel comfortable saying the team will win at least a few more games. when shell was hired i knew the season would suck. to think we could of had sean payton instead of norv turner :|
          As I recall Sean Payton was another coach that turned the Raiders job down.


          Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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          • #65
            SWEET Coughlin is number one in a coaches rankings!! (I'll take what i can get right now...)
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            • #66
              Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
              There are only three coaches on that list that I would consider not having a secure job. Almost everyone is secure until they start losing. Sure Nolan looks solid now but expectations are unquestionably high in Niner land and a lot of that is on Alex Smith's unproven shoulders. If he fails to live up to expectations it's much more likely that they are going to fire the guy that coached and took a part in drafting him than parting ways with the guy they gave a massive signing bonus to. I've countlessly given reasons why, yours consist of "people really like him in San Fran" and "wanna make a bet?". Everyone likes Nolan because they think the Niners are on the upswing, but I think it's 30% tops that the Niners make the playoffs this year. They are likely in for a dissapointment.
              Well, obviously I need to educate you since you're the only one that thinks he's on the hot seat (although you kind of flip-flopped so I don't know for sure). Anyway, here's why he isn't on the hotseat:

              1. Yes, he has an 11-21 record the past 2 years. The previous coach had a 9-23 record in 2 years.
              2. He took over a franchise that had the least amount of talent I've ever seen on an NFL team. They had numerous "street" free agents STARTING games.
              3. He had to sit around for 2 years trying to get the team cap healthy. We're you expecting playoff teams from SF the past 2 years? No? Neither did ownership.
              4. He's been bringing along a young, No. 1 QB. His first season was a disaster. No offensive line, no talent to throw to, and an injury wiped out most of the first year.
              5. As I said before, the owner loves him. Why? Because he went for his job interview and showed Dr. York he's got balls. He straight up asked him why everyone thinks he's cheap. He told him that his way wasn't working. He told him what needed to be done and the price tag involved. York bought into him and his vision. You don't can that vision midway through the journey, especially when it's coming to fruition.
              6. He had to rebuild not only the team on the field, but the management team as well. He made a great hire in Scot McCloughan as personnel director. Parage Marathe is their cap guy and he's doing wonders. The contracts they've signed recently are brilliantly done and leave the team in position to never enter Salary Cap Hell again. Look for yourself: http://ninercaphell.com/
              7. He convinced the tight-ass owner to open up his wallet to purchase much needed new practice facility and also weight room.
              8. He's done well in the draft. Alex Smith, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson, Patrick Willis and Joe Staley are all potential probowlers.

              I think that's sufficient enough to get him off the hot seat (although, you seem to be the only one putting him there anyway.)
              The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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              • #67
                Dude, how could you leave out Tony Dungy and Bill Belichick? Those guys have been on the hot seat for the past three years.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by BigDawg819 View Post
                  You just contradicted yourself with that post............
                  No I didnt. The first paragraph I pointed out that Savage shouldnt be on the hot seat because he is doing a great job.

                  The second article I was just pointing out that if your going to pay a coach that much money (around or close to 10 mill a season), then he has to have more duties than just head coach to earn all the money. In which case they might fire Savage to make room under the cap were alloud for coaches etc.....

                  basically Im saying he should stay, but if somehow we got Cowher, we might not be able to keep him.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Borat Sagdiyev View Post
                    Well, obviously I need to educate you since you're the only one that thinks he's on the hot seat (although you kind of flip-flopped so I don't know for sure). Anyway, here's why he isn't on the hotseat:

                    1. Yes, he has an 11-21 record the past 2 years. The previous coach had a 9-23 record in 2 years.
                    2. He took over a franchise that had the least amount of talent I've ever seen on an NFL team. They had numerous "street" free agents STARTING games.
                    3. He had to sit around for 2 years trying to get the team cap healthy. We're you expecting playoff teams from SF the past 2 years? No? Neither did ownership.
                    4. He's been bringing along a young, No. 1 QB. His first season was a disaster. No offensive line, no talent to throw to, and an injury wiped out most of the first year.
                    5. As I said before, the owner loves him. Why? Because he went for his job interview and showed Dr. York he's got balls. He straight up asked him why everyone thinks he's cheap. He told him that his way wasn't working. He told him what needed to be done and the price tag involved. York bought into him and his vision. You don't can that vision midway through the journey, especially when it's coming to fruition.
                    6. He had to rebuild not only the team on the field, but the management team as well. He made a great hire in Scot McCloughan as personnel director. Parage Marathe is their cap guy and he's doing wonders. The contracts they've signed recently are brilliantly done and leave the team in position to never enter Salary Cap Hell again. Look for yourself: http://ninercaphell.com/
                    7. He convinced the tight-ass owner to open up his wallet to purchase much needed new practice facility and also weight room.
                    8. He's done well in the draft. Alex Smith, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson, Patrick Willis and Joe Staley are all potential probowlers.

                    I think that's sufficient enough to get him off the hot seat (although, you seem to be the only one putting him there anyway.)
                    Every single thing you listed there is predicated on the fact that the Niners are getting better and will be a good team this year. What I'm saying is that if they aren't, he's on the hot seat. I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand.

                    "Alex Smith, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson, Patrick Willis and Joe Staley are all potential probowlers".

                    Oohh...I know now. Because you're a massive homer. Other than Gore what has ANY of those players done to justify a statement even remotely close to that. Because they were drafted high? That makes them a good draft pick? Use your ******* brain before you start "educating" me.


                    Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Borat Sagdiyev View Post
                      Alex Smith, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson, Patrick Willis and Joe Staley are all potential probowlers.
                      WTF?

                      Alex Smith - Well if Tony Romo can go to the Pro Bowl in the NFC based on half a season then I guess anyone can be a considered a Pro Bowl caliber QB in the NFC

                      Vernon Davis - Lets see what he can do about staying healthy for a season before we start that noise.

                      Manny Lawson - No he hasn't done anything to think that in his 1 season of work.

                      Patrick Willis and Joe Staley - They haven't even played a regular season game.

                      Magical sig by OSUGiants

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                      Originally posted by Job
                      On another note, Nicklas Backstrom is amazingly good.
                      Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

                      So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                        Every single thing you listed there is predicated on the fact that the Niners are getting better and will be a good team this year. What I'm saying is that if they aren't, he's on the hot seat. I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand.
                        Because it's incorrect. The Niners could go 2-14 this year and Nolan would be the coach next year. This thread is about coaches that could get fired THIS year. I explained many different reasons why he isn't on the hot seat. His job has been more than just coach on the field. He's had to overhaul the entire organization. You don't fire the architect in the middle of building the house. Especially when you're happy with the architect's work so far.

                        Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                        "Alex Smith, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, Manny Lawson, Patrick Willis and Joe Staley are all potential probowlers".
                        What part of "potential" don't you understand?

                        Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                        Oohh...I know now. Because you're a massive homer. Other than Gore what has ANY of those players done to justify a statement even remotely close to that. Because they were drafted high? That makes them a good draft pick? Use your ******* brain before you start "educating" me.
                        Yes they were drafted high. And all in the past 2 years. A draft can't even be evaluated until after 3 seasons. I said potential probowlers. FN Walt Harris went to the probowl, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that those players could make it as well.
                        The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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                        • #72
                          Funny how you only respond to mine. Patrick Willis is a potential pro-bowler in the same way that Paris Lenon is a potential pro-bowler. That's just a stupid thing to say. Saying that they were good draft picks before they've done anything, (or in the case of Smith arguably not met expectations) is being a homer.

                          And what exactly is everyone happy about in San Fran in terms of his "work"? Is it the fact that everyone thinks you'll win the division this year? What happens if you suck and the team the "architect" built turns out to be an overrated and overpaid pile of junk?


                          Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                          • #73
                            Fine, remove the point about his past drafts. I'll admit it's a bit homeristic. The other points were valid. Nolan isn't on the hotseat. It's that simple.
                            The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Borat Sagdiyev View Post
                              Fine, remove the point about his past drafts. I'll admit it's a bit homeristic. The other points were valid. Nolan isn't on the hotseat. It's that simple.
                              For the last time, he will be if they only win 4-5 games!

                              Magical sig by OSUGiants

                              SSAEL....... its a new revolution!


                              Originally posted by Job
                              On another note, Nicklas Backstrom is amazingly good.
                              Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

                              So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by BigDawg819 View Post
                                For the last time, he will be if they only win 4-5 games!
                                And for the last time, he said on the hotseat THIS SEASON

                                Here's the original post:

                                Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                                I thought I would delve into a favorite pastime of mine and speculate on what coaches are at the most risk of getting fired this season.
                                The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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