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  • #31
    Originally posted by tom
    In the long run this may be a good move, but he has to prove he can coach the 3-4. IMO he'll have to be a 3-4 DC before he becomes a HC, so he'll probably be out of the running for 2007+2008. If he can take over as DC next year, and be successful, he'll get a HC gig for 2009. If not, he's a gonner. So altough this could be a good move, remember it can also be a horrible one.
    It's not like he had much of a choice, the Bears told him they didn't want him to come back.

    I still think he'll be a Head Coach or DC next year. If the Chargers have another great year on defense that will only reflect well on him. If they don't, Cotrell could be gone and Rivera could be the new DC.

    Best of luck Ron.


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    • #32
      Rivera is way overrated, he's been interviewed 6 or 7 times for HC posirion and each time the owner and GM didn't like what they saw. I don't think he has what it takes to be a HC, somethings missing and I doubt he was the real DC for Chicago. Lovie Smith probably ran the defense himself and people around the league know it. I doubt anybody hires this guy as a DC, I think he is pretty much stuck as a position coach.
      And proud of it!!!

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      • #33
        Things don't look so bad in Chargerville anymore. I love Rivera's attitude, asking on to the Chargers coaching staff, willing to try something new. He could have been understandably upset about being passed over for these jobs, but he's going into this with the attitude that he's going to improve himself individually and wants to help the team accomplish it's greater goal of a championship. The guy seems to have little ego. I love the mindset that his defense had of always looking to force turnovers.

        LB coach was also an important hire, because it's more than likely that Cooper, Wilhelm and Dobbins are the primary inside backers in 07 and none of them have much starting experience. I think Chargers fans should be content with the new staff coming in. Both playbooks are being preserved, the cancerous element of the Schottenheimer/Smith relationship is gone and everyone is happy in this honeymoon period. It could have been a disaster, but I think everything worked out well in the end.
        aka KGB Chicken

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        • #34
          Originally posted by San Diego Chicken
          Things don't look so bad in Chargerville anymore. I love Rivera's attitude, asking on to the Chargers coaching staff, willing to try something new. He could have been understandably upset about being passed over for these jobs, but he's going into this with the attitude that he's going to improve himself individually and wants to help the team accomplish it's greater goal of a championship. The guy seems to have little ego. I love the mindset that his defense had of always looking to force turnovers.

          LB coach was also an important hire, because it's more than likely that Cooper, Wilhelm and Dobbins are the primary inside backers in 07 and none of them have much starting experience. I think Chargers fans should be content with the new staff coming in. Both playbooks are being preserved, the cancerous element of the Schottenheimer/Smith relationship is gone and everyone is happy in this honeymoon period. It could have been a disaster, but I think everything worked out well in the end.
          We'll see after San Diego wins 6 games how you feel. Your living in a dreamworld if you think these moves won't send the team into a tailspin. You can forget the playoffs, This was a panic hiring (Turner and Rivera) by Spanos and Smith and now San Diego fans will pay the price.
          And proud of it!!!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by WildDude
            not wit norv turner i say a 7-9 record... u heard it here first
            The Chargers could coach themselves to a 10-6 record, Norv isn't the greatest HC but he has a good football mind. He'll do fine.

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            Originally posted by Scott Wright
            Mr. Dukes comes from the Michael Irvin "talk loud and maybe people will think I know what I am talking about" school of football analysis.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by bigbluedefense

              I see him going to Tampa if Gruden doesn't produce this year.
              That is a great prediction. Good call.

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              Originally posted by Scott Wright
              Mr. Dukes comes from the Michael Irvin "talk loud and maybe people will think I know what I am talking about" school of football analysis.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Iamcanadian
                Originally posted by San Diego Chicken
                Things don't look so bad in Chargerville anymore. I love Rivera's attitude, asking on to the Chargers coaching staff, willing to try something new. He could have been understandably upset about being passed over for these jobs, but he's going into this with the attitude that he's going to improve himself individually and wants to help the team accomplish it's greater goal of a championship. The guy seems to have little ego. I love the mindset that his defense had of always looking to force turnovers.

                LB coach was also an important hire, because it's more than likely that Cooper, Wilhelm and Dobbins are the primary inside backers in 07 and none of them have much starting experience. I think Chargers fans should be content with the new staff coming in. Both playbooks are being preserved, the cancerous element of the Schottenheimer/Smith relationship is gone and everyone is happy in this honeymoon period. It could have been a disaster, but I think everything worked out well in the end.
                We'll see after San Diego wins 6 games how you feel. Your living in a dreamworld if you think these moves won't send the team into a tailspin. You can forget the playoffs, This was a panic hiring (Turner and Rivera) by Spanos and Smith and now San Diego fans will pay the price.
                Well, lets examine your post for what it is, step by step.

                Could the Chargers win six games? Altogether possible, but dependent on a major injury or two to a cornerstone type player (one of maybe three or four guys on the team). Probably a blowup internally as well, and the teams on the schedule need to have very good seasons. Unlikely though.

                Could these moves turn out to be bad moves, ultimately yes. By themselves send the team into a tailspin? I don't think so. I'll give you or anyone that there isn't much precedent for a team at this level to go through a coaching change. Two examples come to mind though, the Rams after 99 and the Cowboys after 93. In neither case the coaches hired to replace the outgoing regime were anything to shout about, but those teams still sustained some level of success for at least a few years. The ultimate decline happened mostly because of age, or injuries, same as any NFL team. Coaching can make average talent look good, but talent can also make average coaching look good.

                Was it a panic hiring? It's not clear. If Turner were hired by the Cowboys instead of Phillips, would that be considered a panic hiring? I think they did a good job in a short period of time of lining up the candidates quickly, and ultimately, the Chargers hired two of the six guys they interviewed.

                Some people might have argued that the lame duck status and frayed relationship between Marty and AJ had the potential to destroy the team. If nothing else the poison that existed there is gone, as I think it's important for talent evaluation purposes for the HC and GM to be on the same page.

                I'm a Chargers fan so maybe I'm being too optimistic but I'm also trying to look at it from the standpoint of a realist. And trust me there are lots of fans in the city who are not happy with this hire, so I'm not trying to act as the pulse of the fans or anything.
                aka KGB Chicken

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                • #38
                  Makes you wonder if hes not really the HC candidate he's been hyped up to be.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Smooth Criminal
                    Makes you wonder if hes not really the HC candidate he's been hyped up to be.
                    well the bears screwed him over for doing this now all the coaching changes have been made he easily coulda gotten a DC job if they did this earlier

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                    • #40
                      Could we see him as SD, HC if the chargers suck under Turner

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                      • #41
                        If anyone honestly believes that a 14-2 team is going to slip to 6-10 by hiring the guy who architected their offense as the head coach, I have a bridge to sell you.

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                        • #42
                          :| He really could have found himself a better job. I'm sure Dallas would love to have him as DC...

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by detroit4life
                            Originally posted by Smooth Criminal
                            Makes you wonder if hes not really the HC candidate he's been hyped up to be.
                            well the bears screwed him over for doing this now all the coaching changes have been made he easily coulda gotten a DC job if they did this earlier
                            No...the Bears did him a favor by waiting to do it untill all the Head Coaching positions were full. If they would have let him go beforehand he would have had NO shot. Nor would he have been waiting around for DC spots if there were Head Coaching spots open. The Bears did the best for him that they could, and it's not like being a DC somewhere else would have mattered a whole hell of a lot. Oooh..he gets to be a DC for a worse defense? Yeah that'll definately boost his resume. This is the best move he could have made.


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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by ChargerCohen
                              If anyone honestly believes that a 14-2 team is going to slip to 6-10 by hiring the guy who architected their offense as the head coach, I have a bridge to sell you.
                              I agree with both you and SDChicken. It's not like Marty did a whole lot anyways. Remember, this is the same guy that made the Oakland Raiders offense look functional with the same personnel they have now minus Kerry Collins.

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