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  • #91
    Originally posted by bigbluedefense
    Originally posted by bearsfan_51
    LA could easily sustain a franchise. Just because the Rams and Raiders moved doesn't mean it's not a viable market. Cities lose and regain teams all the time. That doesn't mean they can't sustain a franchise.

    Also to imply that LA doesn't have a market that sustain sports is absurd. They have two baseball teams, two basketball teams, and a two hockey teams. Not to mention to colleges that are highly competitive in almost everything. But yeah....it's all just about glitz and glamour.
    LA is not a friendly market for the NFL. People of the area are fickle. Theyre not like East Coast cities who are big and support their franchises, they won't support their team through thick and thin. They only root for teams when its winning. Look at SD, they all of a sudden had a bunch of fans this year, whereas in years past you couldn't even fill the stadium. USC is now the hot team to root for because theyre winners, but before Carroll no one in the area gave 2 shits about USC.

    The Rams and Raiders left because theres no fan loyalty. LA is a bunch of bandwagoners quite honestly. Also couple the fact that many who live there are not originally from LA, and you have no real market to advertise to.

    Guys there are just different. My best friend moved there from Jersey to Cali and he hates it now. The fakeness is just too much for an east coast guy.

    The only franchise that has success there is the Lakers. And thats because theyre the Yankees of basketball.
    The Dodgers and Angels generate some of the highest revenue in baseball. Obviously it's different than New York, but just because it's not New York doesn't mean it can't sustain an NFL team, and it especially doesn't mean it can't sustain a sports franchise considering they have as many as any city outside of New York.


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    • #92
      Originally posted by TitleTown088
      How does Jacksonville have a franchise and LA dosen't?
      Because no one one in LA goes to football games. I thought everyone knew that.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by bearsfan_51
        Originally posted by bigbluedefense
        Originally posted by bearsfan_51
        LA could easily sustain a franchise. Just because the Rams and Raiders moved doesn't mean it's not a viable market. Cities lose and regain teams all the time. That doesn't mean they can't sustain a franchise.

        Also to imply that LA doesn't have a market that sustain sports is absurd. They have two baseball teams, two basketball teams, and a two hockey teams. Not to mention to colleges that are highly competitive in almost everything. But yeah....it's all just about glitz and glamour.
        LA is not a friendly market for the NFL. People of the area are fickle. Theyre not like East Coast cities who are big and support their franchises, they won't support their team through thick and thin. They only root for teams when its winning. Look at SD, they all of a sudden had a bunch of fans this year, whereas in years past you couldn't even fill the stadium. USC is now the hot team to root for because theyre winners, but before Carroll no one in the area gave 2 shits about USC.

        The Rams and Raiders left because theres no fan loyalty. LA is a bunch of bandwagoners quite honestly. Also couple the fact that many who live there are not originally from LA, and you have no real market to advertise to.

        Guys there are just different. My best friend moved there from Jersey to Cali and he hates it now. The fakeness is just too much for an east coast guy.

        The only franchise that has success there is the Lakers. And thats because theyre the Yankees of basketball.
        The Dodgers and Angels generate some of the highest revenue in baseball. Obviously it's different than New York, but just because it's not New York doesn't mean it can't sustain an NFL team, and it especially doesn't mean it can't sustain a sports franchise considering they have as many as any city outside of New York.
        Those baseball teams you mentioned actually benefit from the new revenue sharing policy. Its like welfare for baseball teams. The bottom 10 teams in baseball profit more per year than the top 10. The Yankees and Red Sox alone account for 60% of baseball revenue. The overall revenue is split up and divided so other teams can survive. The bottom 10 teams take that money and run to the bank with it, they don't want to spend it to develop a team thus coming out with higher revenues as a whole compared to the top 10 teams.

        The problem is, most people from the LA area either root for the Raiders or 49ers anyway. The niche market that you would go after is small. And with the fickle personality of the area, once you start losing, no one will show up.

        The NFL would love to have a market in LA. The problem is, theres no market. They tried twice and failed twice. LA is simply not a football town. Have you ever been to LA? I have, and I definately got the impression that those people could care less about football.

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        • #94
          The NFL probably wants a franchise in LA (for the billion dollar expansion fee), but I don't think TV wants a franchise there, becuase they won't sell out the stadium, and the nation's 2nd largest media market will be blacked out.

          LA has always had good basketball teams, from UCLA through the Lakers they have about 25 championships, so they are supported well.

          The Dodgers and Angels benefit from the large Latino population that loves baseball.

          No one cares too much about the Kings and Ducks, except for when they win.

          Also, no city in California will build a stadium for a team, and that doesn't help.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by bearsfan_51
            Originally posted by Splat420
            The Chiefs are in small market and have one of the bigger stadium's in the NFL Seating Capacity 79,451 it can be done.
            Kansas City draws from all over the place though. If you like in Kansas, Oklahoma, or Nebraska you're just as likely to be a Chiefs fan as anything else.

            Jacksonville basically draws from Northern Florida and that's it. It was an awful move to put a football team there in the first place. That being said, I think the Bills are the worst-placed team in the NFL, and I would keep a close on on the rumors of them eventually moving to Toronto.
            kinda funny you say this in the same breath as you speak of the chiefs situation. the bills are a regional as well. as far south as erie pa, as far east a syracuse ny and as far north as toronto ontario. that is how large the blackout area is for the bills. you have fans that make the drive every sunday.

            i think the bills should move but my plan is one that works more for the state of new york and the bills as well. they should move to niagara falls ny.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Iamcanadian
              I'd say Buffalo is in deeper sh-t than Jacksonville. Toronto with it's 16 million regional population is very attractive and might be the NFL's 1st step towards making the game international.
              just to add.

              toronto also has something of merit more than just the fans. toronto has company headquarters there. toronto is the nyc/la of canada. they could get recompetetive with stadium naming rights because there would be a real market for such a thing. the club and box seats could be sold there as the economy could support such a thing.

              now the ideal thing would to have a team in canda ( toronto ) and a team in mexico ( mexico city ). the nfl is a business and they understand the overall grand scheme. its about product placement. the nfl brand. now looking at these 2 cities .... you would have a domed 65 to 75k seat stadium in toronto. i think thats all they can handle. but in new mexico you would put an 80k plus stadium. get the firm that didnt the new texas stadium to do the one in mexico city.

              also at this time you would do another realignment of the league ( the bills should have went to the afcn to begin with, smh at mr wilson for fighting that ) because as it stands right now ... both of the probable teams are in the afc.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                LA is not a friendly market for the NFL. People of the area are fickle. Theyre not like East Coast cities who are big and support their franchises, they won't support their team through thick and thin. They only root for teams when its winning. Look at SD, they all of a sudden had a bunch of fans this year, whereas in years past you couldn't even fill the stadium. USC is now the hot team to root for because theyre winners, but before Carroll no one in the area gave 2 shits about USC.

                The Rams and Raiders left because theres no fan loyalty. LA is a bunch of bandwagoners quite honestly. Also couple the fact that many who live there are not originally from LA, and you have no real market to advertise to.

                Guys there are just different. My best friend moved there from Jersey to Cali and he hates it now. The fakeness is just too much for an east coast guy.

                The only franchise that has success there is the Lakers. And thats because theyre the Yankees of basketball.
                Not a LA fan but I think your completely wrong. The biggest roadblock for a successful franchise in LA is a stadium. The colisium isn't a pro standard stadium and it's in the wrong part of town as I understand it. Until LA builds a new modern stadium, pro football has no chance in that city. Build the fans a great venu to watch the game and LA would have no trouble filling the stadium and supporting the team.
                The only black mark on LA is its refusal to build a modern facility so a team could prosper. It's really hard to explain their failure to erect a stadium in this day an age.
                And proud of it!!!

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by pysseddoph View Post
                  kinda funny you say this in the same breath as you speak of the chiefs situation. the bills are a regional as well. as far south as erie pa, as far east a syracuse ny and as far north as toronto ontario. that is how large the blackout area is for the bills. you have fans that make the drive every sunday.

                  i think the bills should move but my plan is one that works more for the state of new york and the bills as well. they should move to niagara falls ny.
                  They should move to Toronto, like I already said. It's a major metro area that is still very close to the region.

                  And there are just as many Browns fans in Erie as there are Bills fans. It's not the same as Kansas City as the Chiefs cover much more territory.


                  Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                    Those baseball teams you mentioned actually benefit from the new revenue sharing policy. Its like welfare for baseball teams. The bottom 10 teams in baseball profit more per year than the top 10. The Yankees and Red Sox alone account for 60% of baseball revenue. The overall revenue is split up and divided so other teams can survive. The bottom 10 teams take that money and run to the bank with it, they don't want to spend it to develop a team thus coming out with higher revenues as a whole compared to the top 10 teams.

                    The problem is, most people from the LA area either root for the Raiders or 49ers anyway. The niche market that you would go after is small. And with the fickle personality of the area, once you start losing, no one will show up.

                    The NFL would love to have a market in LA. The problem is, theres no market. They tried twice and failed twice. LA is simply not a football town. Have you ever been to LA? I have, and I definately got the impression that those people could care less about football.
                    You talked to everyone in the city about whether or not they care about football? USC has a huge following, so obviously they care about football.

                    The Rams and Raiders didn't work b/c they were competing against themselves. I agree it's not like New York, but they could easily sustain one team. Easily.


                    Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                    • Originally posted by pysseddoph View Post
                      just to add.

                      toronto also has something of merit more than just the fans. toronto has company headquarters there. toronto is the nyc/la of canada. they could get recompetetive with stadium naming rights because there would be a real market for such a thing. the club and box seats could be sold there as the economy could support such a thing.

                      now the ideal thing would to have a team in canda ( toronto ) and a team in mexico ( mexico city ). the nfl is a business and they understand the overall grand scheme. its about product placement. the nfl brand. now looking at these 2 cities .... you would have a domed 65 to 75k seat stadium in toronto. i think thats all they can handle. but in new mexico you would put an 80k plus stadium. get the firm that didnt the new texas stadium to do the one in mexico city.

                      also at this time you would do another realignment of the league ( the bills should have went to the afcn to begin with, smh at mr wilson for fighting that ) because as it stands right now ... both of the probable teams are in the afc.
                      One difference. Toronto is first world, Mexico City is third world. I don't think players would want to live their and the populace can't afford to attend many NFL games.

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                      • Originally posted by eacantdraft View Post
                        One difference. Toronto is first world, Mexico City is third world. I don't think players would want to live their and the populace can't afford to attend many NFL games.
                        The first world-third world dichotomy is so incredibly outdated. Anyone that uses that in academics is laughed at. It's similar to duck and cover.


                        Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                        • Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                          The first world-third world dichotomy is so incredibly outdated. Anyone that uses that in academics is laughed at. It's similar to duck and cover.
                          Have you ever been to Mexico City?

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                          • Originally posted by eacantdraft View Post
                            Have you ever been to Mexico City?
                            I don't think he means that Mexico City isn't third world ( I don't know ) I think he means no one describes places as first or third world in academic circles.

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                            • and that it's a complete cop out to use that kind of terminology because it requires no real thought. moreso in a context in which something can be "dismissed" as third world by someone who doesn't really know what they're talking about.

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                              • Originally posted by njx9 View Post
                                and that it's a complete cop out to use that kind of terminology because it requires no real thought. moreso in a context in which something can be "dismissed" as third world by someone who doesn't really know what they're talking about.

                                Last time I checked it's not Americans illegally crossing the border so they can live in the glorious country of Le Mexique.

                                When a city bigger than New York doesn't have any professional sports franchises, there is a reason.

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