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  • #61
    Haha, please. Peyton Manning played, what, 11 games in a dome that year? No weather, whatsoever. Tom Brady played Baltimore, Miami and the Jets in absolute HORRID weather. Especially the Jets game. If that game was in a dome, Brady would have beaten the record by at least 5 TD's. So really, the whole 15 game argument has no weight with me.

    Nor does the "Patriots tactics" argument. It's amazing to me how quickly people forget, or in this case, ignore the facts. One of the biggest complaints people had in 2004 about the Colts was that they were... running up the score. I know this because I was one of those people bitching. I guarantee Brady got pulled from as many games as Manning did.

    So quite frankly, I don't want to hear it.

    It also amazes me how quickly people go to try and discount everything Tom Brady has accomplished. It's laughable. The same argument can be made about every single player who has ever played the game. "It's a team sport," "he couldn't do it without the other 92424242 guys," "he had better receivers."

    Please. Give it a rest. Most of you are still trying to hold on to the "even Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl" argument with Brady. He's proven, without a shadow of a doubt, that he is easily, at worst, tied for the best QB in the game today. There are no questions about it. If you want to say Peyton Manning is better, fine, I'll listen to your argument. Brett Favre may have had a better career, but the current Brett Favre is not better than the current Tom Brady. That's not an insult, it's just reality.

    I just chuckle at the fact that it's always something with the Pats that people want to nitpick to not give them their due. I agree, it's way, way, WAY too early to call Tom Brady the best ever. No doubt about it, it's not an argument that I am prepared to make, and I don't know if I ever will be. But calling him.... AVERAGE?!? Come on...

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Jay View Post
      Haha, please. Peyton Manning played, what, 11 games in a dome that year? No weather, whatsoever. Tom Brady played Baltimore, Miami and the Jets in absolute HORRID weather. Especially the Jets game. If that game was in a dome, Brady would have beaten the record by at least 5 TD's. So really, the whole 15 game argument has no weight with me.

      Nor does the "Patriots tactics" argument. It's amazing to me how quickly people forget, or in this case, ignore the facts. One of the biggest complaints people had in 2004 about the Colts was that they were... running up the score. I know this because I was one of those people bitching. I guarantee Brady got pulled from as many games as Manning did.

      So quite frankly, I don't want to hear it.

      It also amazes me how quickly people go to try and discount everything Tom Brady has accomplished. It's laughable. The same argument can be made about every single player who has ever played the game. "It's a team sport," "he couldn't do it without the other 92424242 guys," "he had better receivers."

      Please. Give it a rest. Most of you are still trying to hold on to the "even Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl" argument with Brady. He's proven, without a shadow of a doubt, that he is easily, at worst, tied for the best QB in the game today. There are no questions about it. If you want to say Peyton Manning is better, fine, I'll listen to your argument. Brett Favre may have had a better career, but the current Brett Favre is not better than the current Tom Brady. That's not an insult, it's just reality.

      I just chuckle at the fact that it's always something with the Pats that people want to nitpick to not give them their due. I agree, it's way, way, WAY too early to call Tom Brady the best ever. No doubt about it, it's not an argument that I am prepared to make, and I don't know if I ever will be. But calling him.... AVERAGE?!? Come on...
      Hey Jay remember that updated ticker you had "Days that have gone by without Randy Moss destroying the Pats"?

      Kind of humorous now...

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      • #63
        Peyton Manning single handedly made the Colts who they are. Brady is a product of great coaching, being a great qb, having a great D, great personel around him from the trenches to GM and scouts.

        I dont think if you made an all star team of Manning's D would they match up too the Pats D over the last 5-6 years. Trent Dilfer got a ring because why? Brad Johnson has a ring because why? Peyton Manning has a ring because why? his defense stepped up to put him in a better position to wins games rather than having to win the games himself.

        Its not discrediting Brady or making Manning sound better. But the fact that Manning MADE that Franchise from scratch and not a by product of great Defenses, superior coaching, superior game planning etc etc makes me think their is no way you can dispute this.

        Give Tom Brady the reigns of an offense to call every pay him self and to execute and being the Chess player and pieces rather than being only a piece.


        It hs nothing to do with Brady/Manning. Manning not clutch? Give Manning Chicagos D the last 5 years I'd like to argue who would have mroe rings. But thats is immaterial.


        Put Brady on the Falcons NOW and Manning on the Falcons now..who would have them an 8-8 team quicker? No matter who coaches and who is put in place I think that an easy answer is there
        my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
        <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
        <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
        <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
        Originally posted by Hermstheman83
        What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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        • #64
          brady is a great qb nonetheless
          my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
          <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
          <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
          <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
          Originally posted by Hermstheman83
          What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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          • #65
            Johnny Unitas. I'll still take him over any quarterback in history just for the impact he made on the game.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by bored of education View Post
              Peyton Manning single handedly made the Colts who they are. Brady is a product of great coaching, being a great qb, having a great D, great personel around him from the trenches to GM and scouts.

              I dont think if you made an all star team of Manning's D would they match up too the Pats D over the last 5-6 years. Trent Dilfer got a ring because why? Brad Johnson has a ring because why? Peyton Manning has a ring because why? his defense stepped up to put him in a better position to wins games rather than having to win the games himself.

              Its not discrediting Brady or making Manning sound better. But the fact that Manning MADE that Franchise from scratch and not a by product of great Defenses, superior coaching, superior game planning etc etc makes me think their is no way you can dispute this.

              Give Tom Brady the reigns of an offense to call every pay him self and to execute and being the Chess player and pieces rather than being only a piece.


              It hs nothing to do with Brady/Manning. Manning not clutch? Give Manning Chicagos D the last 5 years I'd like to argue who would have mroe rings. But thats is immaterial.


              Put Brady on the Falcons NOW and Manning on the Falcons now..who would have them an 8-8 team quicker? No matter who coaches and who is put in place I think that an easy answer is there
              No one person makes a team single handedly who they are. That's absurd.

              "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
              -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
              Originally posted by Borat
              Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Jay View Post
                Haha, please. Peyton Manning played, what, 11 games in a dome that year? No weather, whatsoever. Tom Brady played Baltimore, Miami and the Jets in absolute HORRID weather. Especially the Jets game. If that game was in a dome, Brady would have beaten the record by at least 5 TD's. So really, the whole 15 game argument has no weight with me.
                Brady was pulled from a total of, what, 3 games this season? All in the 4th quarter, and never sooner than 12:00 in, and that was against Miami, where he went back in. All in all, he probably missed less than a half of game time all year.

                Originally posted by Jay View Post
                Nor does the "Patriots tactics" argument. It's amazing to me how quickly people forget, or in this case, ignore the facts. One of the biggest complaints people had in 2004 about the Colts was that they were... running up the score. I know this because I was one of those people bitching. I guarantee Brady got pulled from as many games as Manning did.
                The Patriots redefined running up the score when Brady was throwing a 2 yard out to Welker when the score was 38-0 midway through the 4th quarter. Peyton Manning was out of every one of the 4 blowouts the Colts had at some point, most of the time before the 4th quarter. All in all he probably missed about 8 quarters worth of game time in the 2004 season, yet he still threw 49 TD passes. You have to be kidding if you think the 2004 Colts did things even similarly to the 2007 Patriots, or perhaps a Pats homer that doesn't want to face the truth.

                Originally posted by Jay View Post
                So quite frankly, I don't want to hear it.
                Of course you don't, the truth would bother someone who doesn't want to acknowledge it.

                Originally posted by Jay View Post
                It also amazes me how quickly people go to try and discount everything Tom Brady has accomplished. It's laughable. The same argument can be made about every single player who has ever played the game. "It's a team sport," "he couldn't do it without the other 92424242 guys," "he had better receivers."
                Who's trying to discount anything he's done? He was a part of a team that did great things. That does not make him a great player any more than it makes Dexter Jackson a great player.

                Originally posted by Jay View Post
                Please. Give it a rest. Most of you are still trying to hold on to the "even Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl" argument with Brady. He's proven, without a shadow of a doubt, that he is easily, at worst, tied for the best QB in the game today. There are no questions about it. If you want to say Peyton Manning is better, fine, I'll listen to your argument. Brett Favre may have had a better career, but the current Brett Favre is not better than the current Tom Brady. That's not an insult, it's just reality.
                Seems to me you have an entirely different argument than the poster I was addressing, so why are you responding to me? This argument is FAR less objectionable than the one to which I replied.

                Originally posted by Jay View Post
                I just chuckle at the fact that it's always something with the Pats that people want to nitpick to not give them their due. I agree, it's way, way, WAY too early to call Tom Brady the best ever. No doubt about it, it's not an argument that I am prepared to make, and I don't know if I ever will be. But calling him.... AVERAGE?!? Come on...
                Wow, way to misread what I said. If you notice, I made it very clear from the beginning that my post was the counterargument to the original post. It seems you're actually in agreement with me, so why are you arguing?


                The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

                If luck is where preparation meets opportunity, then clutch is where failure meets luck.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Ness View Post
                  No one person makes a team single handedly who they are. That's absurd.
                  Ok well he is the reason why they are who they are more than any other component. Not d, not coaching, not Gm, not receviers
                  my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
                  <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
                  <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
                  <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
                  Originally posted by Hermstheman83
                  What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by bored of education View Post
                    Ok well he is the reason why they are who they are more than any other component. Not d, not coaching, not Gm, not receviers
                    Perhaps. He's probably the best player at this position on his team. But without the good offensive linemen, good wide receivers, and good running game that he's had almost every season of his career (the running game that is), he probably wouldn't be as special as he is now. If anyone deserves the highest honor, it's Bill Polian, their team president. He's the one that "built" that team, so to speak. And he's been there since it all began with Manning. His first year, was Manning's first year.

                    "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                    -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                    Originally posted by Borat
                    Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by bored of education View Post
                      Ok well he is the reason why they are who they are more than any other component. Not d, not coaching, not Gm, not receviers
                      I strongly disagree with that statement. Their defense has made them what they are more than anything. In the 3 years the Patriots won the Super Bowl, the Patriots were 6th in scoring defense at worst, and 1st and 2nd in the other years. It's easier to win games when your defense doesn't give up many points. It gives the offense more times to fail while still giving the team a chance to win.


                      The problem arises when people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamp post: for support instead of illumination.

                      If luck is where preparation meets opportunity, then clutch is where failure meets luck.

                      <Add1ct> setting myself on fire can't be that hard
                      <Add1ct> but tackling a mosquito might prove a challenge

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
                        I strongly disagree with that statement. Their defense has made them what they are more than anything. In the 3 years the Patriots won the Super Bowl, the Patriots were 6th in scoring defense at worst, and 1st and 2nd in the other years. It's easier to win games when your defense doesn't give up many points. It gives the offense more times to fail while still giving the team a chance to win.
                        I believe he was talking about Peyton Manning, not Tom Brady.

                        "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                        -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                        Originally posted by Borat
                        Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                        • #72
                          Until Tom Brady can put up great numbers for more than one season, it's still debatable whether he is the best QB in the present-day NFL.

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                          Originally posted by yodachu
                          Everyone pwns the Rams.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Jay View Post
                            Drew Bledsoe was considered a great QB, yet Brady took them to the promiseland. With the same team. Why is that?

                            I'm yearning for someone else to take over the Colts to prove Peyton Manning is average. How about that? Steve Young took over the 49ers and led them to Super Bowls, so I guess by your thinking that makes Joe Montana average. There are so many ways we can spin your own argument to prove that it's just an dumb premise. Of course the QB gets the glory. That will ALWAYS be the case. And guess what, it's for a reason. Tom Brady put together the season he had be cause he is the best QB in the league playing with a great group of players.

                            Why wasn't the organization special before Brady? They weren't. Then he came along and everything change. I am sure that is a coincidence. It's a team sport. Absolutely. But why are you willing to give other individuals credit at the same position ahead of Brady when Brady has accomplished more and has better numbers? It makes absolutely no sense.

                            You are a man on an island. Credibility = gone.
                            Do you not remember what was going on in the Super Bowl in 2001? They were ALL calling to pull Brady and put Bledsoe back in cause he was choking on his own...well...whatever. He wasn't leading them to touchdown drives...he was leading them to field goals...he's not the guy who's special it's the organization. Bledsoe was considered great by who? He was good...and really looked like he could become something special, but he didn't. But he DID however have a lot of success with that team.

                            I'll give Favre credit he's done it BETTER and LONGER than Brady has...he's the #1 in everything that's important except Super Bowl wins...what's going to happen if Favre knocks Brady off in the Super Bowl? You going to blame it on someone else? No...cause Brady has the superior talent around him...the better coach...the experienced squad around him...

                            My 'island' seems like a tropical paradise because where I'm standing I'm not looking at this through rose colored glasses...the fact that passing numbers have gotten inflated more recently ESPECIALLY since CBs can't really play defense anymore (which you NEVER mentioned or even thought about) I'm not impressed...look at those stats...get him in the middle range out routes and the tougher passes and his completion percentage is pathetic. Sure he can throw it to the backs out of the backfield and Welker on screens and 5 yard hitches...

                            He's an average NFL Caliber QB (which there aren't many of them out there right now) with an ELITE squad around him. Favre went through the good squads and the bad...Elway the same...Marino...same...

                            I'm not going to waste any more time debating you. But look at what's going on instead of just hugging on Brady's nuts because it's what the media says to do.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Dam8610 View Post
                              False, Peyton Manning had a 121.1 QB rating in 2004.
                              I always get a kick when I remember that Brady stat-hounded his way in 16 full games to breaking Manning's record with 50 touchdowns but still fell short of this one.

                              And of course, I don't think we'll ever see the feat of three 1,000-yard/10 touchdown-receivers in one season repeated again.
                              Pugnacity, testosterone, truculence, and belligerence.

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                              • #75
                                akili smith hasnt been name dropped yet? wtf

                                G:22
                                Comp: 215 of 461 Pct: 46.6
                                Yards: 2212
                                TD: 5
                                INT: 13

                                numbers dont lie folks

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