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  • #16
    Injury shinjury. He's a choker and really? A broken leg? Is that supposed to be an excuse for kicking poorly? What does one have to do with the other? Next you'll be telling me a tennis player with a broken arm and a torn bicep would be at some sort of a disadvantage. These men are millionaires, that means that they should be able to kick a 50 yard field goal with only one leg. They should be able to turn on a dime with two broken ankles. After all, they're rich!

    Seriously though, why were these guys on the field? Were they that afraid of putting Volek in there? If so, why is he even on the team? He's supposed to be one of the best backup QB's in the NFL. The Chargers had a backup kicker, why didn't they use him more?

    It seems more and more that the Chargers got as far as they did in spite of Norv Turner's coaching, not because of it.
    Last edited by Crickett; 01-27-2008, 09:49 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by fenikz View Post
      upper body is completely different you can avoid being hurt all the time with those but when you have a leg injury no matter what you do you will feel the pain, i have experience trying to play with both, broken right arm was nothing my partial torn ACL hurt
      Thats not what I meant. Someone asked why he was allowed to play. I was just showing that the doctors and trainers don't really have a say in it. If I was able to play in HS with those injuries, guys in the NFL will be allowed to play as long as they are better than their backup.
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      • #18
        I bet his toughness rating in madden will sky rocket next year.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Crickett View Post

          Seriously though, why were these guys on the field? Were they that afraid of putting Volek in there? If so, why is he even on the team? He's supposed to be one of the best backup QB's in the NFL. The Chargers had a backup kicker, why didn't they use him more?

          It seems more and more that the Chargers got as far as they did in spite of Norv Turner's coaching, not because of it.

          You're misinformed, and that little shot at Norv Turner is unnecessary.

          The "backup kicker" was Dave Rayner, who was only in there as a KO specialist, and horrible at that. Kaeding is, for all his supposed playoff woes, an extremely accurate kicker.

          Volek, although OT, did play. You might remember him leading the game winning drive in Indianapolis? In NE, Rivers played because A) he could, and B) with basically no LT or Gates, he was the heart and soul of the Charger offense. You can't put a guy who has thrown ten passes all season in front of the unbeaten Pats and expect the team to follow him. Rivers is the leader, and everyone played for him, and they gave the Pats a game. The guy's a competitor, and if he could walk onto that field, nobody was going to stop him.

          Norv did more for the Chargers this year than Marty ever did during his tenure, I'm sick of people bashing him for bad reasons. Could any other coach in the league have gone into the defending Champion's house, short handed, and knock them out, and yet receive so little credit for it?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Crickett View Post
            Injury shinjury. He's a choker and really? A broken leg? Is that supposed to be an excuse for kicking poorly? What does one have to do with the other? Next you'll be telling me a tennis player with a broken arm and a torn bicep would be at some sort of a disadvantage. These men are millionaires, that means that they should be able to kick a 50 yard field goal with only one leg. They should be able to turn on a dime with two broken ankles. After all, they're rich!

            Seriously though, why were these guys on the field? Were they that afraid of putting Volek in there? If so, why is he even on the team? He's supposed to be one of the best backup QB's in the NFL. The Chargers had a backup kicker, why didn't they use him more?

            It seems more and more that the Chargers got as far as they did in spite of Norv Turner's coaching, not because of it.
            U wanna tell me its not a big deal to kick with 1 broken leg?
            seriously?
            A tennis player with 2 broken arms would never...never ever win anything. Just like a Soccer Player with a broken leg. U have a disadvantage if ur injuried? An excuse? no. But when someone plays okay with all his hearts, he should get respect.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Renji View Post
              U wanna tell me its not a big deal to kick with 1 broken leg?
              seriously?
              A tennis player with 2 broken arms would never...never ever win anything. Just like a Soccer Player with a broken leg. U have a disadvantage if ur injuried? An excuse? no. But when someone plays okay with all his hearts, he should get respect.
              Okay, first I think it would be obvious that was a joke.

              Originally posted by ChargerCohen View Post
              You're misinformed, and that little shot at Norv Turner is unnecessary.

              The "backup kicker" was Dave Rayner, who was only in there as a KO specialist, and horrible at that. Kaeding is, for all his supposed playoff woes, an extremely accurate kicker.

              Volek, although OT, did play. You might remember him leading the game winning drive in Indianapolis? In NE, Rivers played because A) he could, and B) with basically no LT or Gates, he was the heart and soul of the Charger offense. You can't put a guy who has thrown ten passes all season in front of the unbeaten Pats and expect the team to follow him. Rivers is the leader, and everyone played for him, and they gave the Pats a game. The guy's a competitor, and if he could walk onto that field, nobody was going to stop him.

              Norv did more for the Chargers this year than Marty ever did during his tenure, I'm sick of people bashing him for bad reasons. Could any other coach in the league have gone into the defending Champion's house, short handed, and knock them out, and yet receive so little credit for it?
              Secondly, Rivers played becuase he could? He had a torn ACL right? Didn't exactly light it up, right? If you can't put in someone who isn't the starter, whats the point of even having backups? If Volek didn't start of the game, it became obvious during the game that he needed to go in or the Chargers weren't going to have a chance with an injured Rivers behind the helm.

              As for Marty, no, Norv didn't do more than Marty. Marty couldn't get past the Patriots. Neither could Norv. It doesn't matter what round the game in. Same opponent, same result.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                Secondly, Rivers played becuase he could? He had a torn ACL right? Didn't exactly light it up, right? If you can't put in someone who isn't the starter, whats the point of even having backups? If Volek didn't start of the game, it became obvious during the game that he needed to go in or the Chargers weren't going to have a chance with an injured Rivers behind the helm.
                They weren't going to have a chance with Volek either. Rivers was able to play, he made one really bad pass, and his other intercpetion is on Chmabers and a great play by Samuel. The only place he struggled was at the ten-ish yard lines, but he was able to drive the team down that far. Rivers could have played, and did play just fine. He needed too.

                Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                As for Marty, no, Norv didn't do more than Marty. Marty couldn't get past the Patriots. Neither could Norv. It doesn't matter what round the game in. Same opponent, same result.
                Thats the worst logic I've ever seen. It was in the AFCCG, last year we were out in divisionals. The opponent makes no difference, espeically considering last year's Patriots were nowhere near as good as this year's version as well. Norv did better then Marty did last year, that's undeniable. not only is it improbable Marty would have gotten the team past Tenn when LT was shut down, or Indy when we lost our starters, but Norv kept the team together and won, as underdogs, on the road, in the round which Marty lost in. You could try and argue that maybe Marty could have done the same thing, but I doubt that.

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                • #23
                  Holy crap! This team has some gutsy players. Something to be said about guys like these manning up and playing in a win or go home situation. A lot of the Chargers talk way more than I would like but it's stuff like this that makes me happy they play here.

                  Rivers plays with no ACL 6 days after knee scope
                  Keading kicks with broken leg
                  Neal returns 3 weeks after having metal rod inserted into broken leg
                  Gates playing with dislocated toe

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by KRS1 View Post
                    Holy crap! This team has some gutsy players. Something to be said about guys like these manning up and playing in a win or go home situation. A lot of the Chargers talk way more than I would like but it's stuff like this that makes me happy they play here.

                    Rivers plays with no ACL 6 days after knee scope
                    Keading kicks with broken leg
                    Neal returns 3 weeks after having metal rod inserted into broken leg
                    Gates playing with dislocated toe
                    you forgot mike goff who played with two torn achilles tendons
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by JK17 View Post
                      They weren't going to have a chance with Volek either. Rivers was able to play, he made one really bad pass, and his other intercpetion is on Chmabers and a great play by Samuel. The only place he struggled was at the ten-ish yard lines, but he was able to drive the team down that far. Rivers could have played, and did play just fine. He needed too.
                      And why exactly wouldn't the Chargers have a chance with Volek? He's one of the best backup quarterbacks in the league, has proven in the past that he can come into the game and play at a high level and you know what? Even without LT and Gates, the Chargers have a lot of talent on offense. Chris Chambers gave the Chargers something Marty never had as the team's HC. A respectable group of receivers.

                      Originally posted by JK17 View Post
                      Thats the worst logic I've ever seen. It was in the AFCCG, last year we were out in divisionals. The opponent makes no difference, espeically considering last year's Patriots were nowhere near as good as this year's version as well. Norv did better then Marty did last year, that's undeniable.
                      Well, I'm denying it. The Chargers beat a hapless Titans team that barely squeaked into the playoffs and Colts team without several key players in the divisionals and the team that Marty couldn't beat, Norv couldn't beat either. And IMO, saying the opponent makes no difference when you've been eliminated from the playoffs by the same team two years in a row is the worst logic I've ever seen. And I've seen someone make an argument for the Redskins drafting Elton Brown third overall once upon a time.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                        And why exactly wouldn't the Chargers have a chance with Volek? He's one of the best backup quarterbacks in the league, has proven in the past that he can come into the game and play at a high level and you know what? Even without LT and Gates, the Chargers have a lot of talent on offense. Chris Chambers gave the Chargers something Marty never had as the team's HC. A respectable group of receivers.
                        Hahaha. Yeah, he really showed it this year. His whopping numbers in the regular season showed he can still play. Oh yeah, I mean he thrilled us all going 3/10 for 6 yards, with 2 sacks, an INT, and a lost fumbled snap. But you saw that he led one good drive against the Colts, with the biggest play being a 28 yard screen set up by Legedu Naanee, and assumed he'd play like that all game long against the Patriots, who got to see Volek at his best last week and plan for it? And without LT and Gates, Rivers shined, which was the argument in the first place against the Colts. Rivers stepped up and got it to Vincent Jackson a lot, and that's why we managed to win. Rivers playing was the right decision the next week, because no, Billy Volek did not prove he could go into NE and win that game.



                        Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                        Well, I'm denying it. The Chargers beat a hapless Titans team that barely squeaked into the playoffs and Colts team without several key players in the divisionals and the team that Marty couldn't beat, Norv couldn't beat either. And IMO, saying the opponent makes no difference when you've been eliminated from the playoffs by the same team two years in a row is the worst logic I've ever seen. And I've seen someone make an argument for the Redskins drafting Elton Brown third overall once upon a time.
                        The Chargers beat a Titans team, when, with Marty it's hard to think he might have done that, althoguh he probably could have. And I hope you're not talking about the Colts missing players, when SD lost its star RB and played with a hobbled TE and without a starting QB the 4th quarter. All of which, mind you, Norv gameplanned around and did more for. Who were the Colts missing? Dwight Freeney? Both teams had injuries, and we went into Indy, and won, and advanced to the AFCCG something that Marty did not do.

                        And then on top of all of that, you say that because we lost to the Patriots, just like Marty did, somehow Norv did no better, despite the fact he got the team farther? Really? What about the fact that the Patriots had an entirely revamped receiving core, a running back with a whole nother year of experience, two brand new linebackers in Seau and Thomas? And yet somehow that's the same team? Not to mention one was a road game like this year, and one was at home, last year for Marty. Or the fact, that you said Norv did not do better for the team. The last I checked, two playoff wins and a trip to the AFCCG is better then one playoff loss.

                        You could argue Marty is a better coach then Norv. You cannot argue Norv didn't do more for the Chargers this year then Marty did last year.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by JK17 View Post
                          Hahaha. Yeah, he really showed it this year. His whopping numbers in the regular season showed he can still play. Oh yeah, I mean he thrilled us all going 3/10 for 6 yards, with 2 sacks, an INT, and a lost fumbled snap. But you saw that he led one good drive against the Colts, with the biggest play being a 28 yard screen set up by Legedu Naanee, and assumed he'd play like that all game long against the Patriots, who got to see Volek at his best last week and plan for it? And without LT and Gates, Rivers shined, which was the argument in the first place against the Colts. Rivers stepped up and got it to Vincent Jackson a lot, and that's why we managed to win. Rivers playing was the right decision the next week, because no, Billy Volek did not prove he could go into NE and win that game.





                          The Chargers beat a Titans team, when, with Marty it's hard to think he might have done that, althoguh he probably could have. And I hope you're not talking about the Colts missing players, when SD lost its star RB and played with a hobbled TE and without a starting QB the 4th quarter. All of which, mind you, Norv gameplanned around and did more for. Who were the Colts missing? Dwight Freeney? Both teams had injuries, and we went into Indy, and won, and advanced to the AFCCG something that Marty did not do.

                          And then on top of all of that, you say that because we lost to the Patriots, just like Marty did, somehow Norv did no better, despite the fact he got the team farther? Really? What about the fact that the Patriots had an entirely revamped receiving core, a running back with a whole nother year of experience, two brand new linebackers in Seau and Thomas? And yet somehow that's the same team? Not to mention one was a road game like this year, and one was at home, last year for Marty. Or the fact, that you said Norv did not do better for the team. The last I checked, two playoff wins and a trip to the AFCCG is better then one playoff loss.

                          You could argue Marty is a better coach then Norv. You cannot argue Norv didn't do more for the Chargers this year then Marty did last year.

                          Don't even argue with this joker, he's just baiting you. I seriously doubt anyone could truly believe the things he's typing.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                            And why exactly wouldn't the Chargers have a chance with Volek? He's one of the best backup quarterbacks in the league, has proven in the past that he can come into the game and play at a high level and you know what? Even without LT and Gates, the Chargers have a lot of talent on offense. Chris Chambers gave the Chargers something Marty never had as the team's HC. A respectable group of receivers.



                            Well, I'm denying it. The Chargers beat a hapless Titans team that barely squeaked into the playoffs and Colts team without several key players in the divisionals and the team that Marty couldn't beat, Norv couldn't beat either. And IMO, saying the opponent makes no difference when you've been eliminated from the playoffs by the same team two years in a row is the worst logic I've ever seen. And I've seen someone make an argument for the Redskins drafting Elton Brown third overall once upon a time.

                            While I wouldn't say that Norv did more this year than Marty ever did, you are way off base in your argument. Norv delivered 2 playoff wins more in one season than Marty could get done in what like 5 or 6 years.

                            They beat the defending champs with their backups! What more do you want there?

                            I also don't want to sound like a jerk but if you don't see a difference between last years Patriots and this years Patriots then you should probably never consider yourself a football fan again. The Chargers choked and coughed last years playoff game up to a team they were clearly better than. The Patriots this year (dude I can't even believe I need to say this) are arguably the best NFL team EVER and IMO the best offense anyone has ever seen. Not only did the Chargers look better in this years game I think that if LT, Gates, Jamal Williams and Rivers not been hurt the outcome could have been different. Sure both losses were to the Pats but the 2 teams were not even close unless you consider Reche Caldwell and Troy Brown on the same level as Randy Moss, Wes Welker and Donte Stallworth. Or maybe Tuly Banta Cain is comparable to Adalius Thomas and Junior Seau (or at least the way he is playing). Did Richard Seymour even play last year or was he hurt? Dude it's not close. You can dress a piece of crap argument up any way you want but it's still a piece of crap and it makes you look... Not so intelligent.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JK17 View Post
                              Hahaha. Yeah, he really showed it this year. His whopping numbers in the regular season showed he can still play. Oh yeah, I mean he thrilled us all going 3/10 for 6 yards, with 2 sacks, an INT, and a lost fumbled snap. But you saw that he led one good drive against the Colts, with the biggest play being a 28 yard screen set up by Legedu Naanee, and assumed he'd play like that all game long against the Patriots, who got to see Volek at his best last week and plan for it?
                              Actually no, I saw him play for the Titans. When he actually started games And had more than four pass attempts in any one game. But whatever.

                              Originally posted by JK17 View Post
                              The Chargers beat a Titans team, when, with Marty it's hard to think he might have done that, althoguh he probably could have. And I hope you're not talking about the Colts missing players, when SD lost its star RB and played with a hobbled TE and without a starting QB the 4th quarter. All of which, mind you, Norv gameplanned around and did more for. Who were the Colts missing? Dwight Freeney? Both teams had injuries, and we went into Indy, and won, and advanced to the AFCCG something that Marty did not do.
                              The difference being that that the Chargers had someone to turn to. Don't have LT? Well, Michael Turner isn't LT, but hes pretty damn good. He didn't have Gates, but for once, he had receivers to throw to. Heck, they kept talking about it during the games. Vincent Jackson providing the role that Gates normally would.

                              The Colts were without Freeney who, yes, is a huge loss and Marvin Harison. That left the Colts to turn to Devin Aromashodu. Please tell me you can see the difference between LT - Turner and Marvin Harrison - Devin Aromashodu.

                              Originally posted by JK17 View Post
                              And then on top of all of that, you say that because we lost to the Patriots, just like Marty did, somehow Norv did no better, despite the fact he got the team farther? Really? What about the fact that the Patriots had an entirely revamped receiving core, a running back with a whole nother year of experience, two brand new linebackers in Seau and Thomas? And yet somehow that's the same team? Not to mention one was a road game like this year, and one was at home, last year for Marty.
                              And how about the emergence of Antonio Cromartie and Vincent Jackson? Or the acquisition of Chris Chambers? If you're going to make the argument that the Patriots inproved talent wise, you need to make that argument for the Chargers too.

                              If you're going to argue that Laurence Maroney has another year of experience, well, so does the entire Chargers roster. Except Eric Weddle.

                              As for Junior Seau, please tell me you're arguing that the Chargers lost because of 80 year old Junior Seau. Please go down that road.


                              Originally posted by JK17 View Post
                              You could argue Marty is a better coach then Norv. You cannot argue Norv didn't do more for the Chargers this year then Marty did last year.
                              Norv couldn't get the Chargers past the Patriots. Neither could Marty. And as a result, the Chargers have to sit and watch the Patriots move on. Just like Marty. You can deny it all you want, but thats the cold hard truth.
                              Last edited by Crickett; 01-28-2008, 07:05 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Crickett View Post
                                Actually no, I saw him play for the Titans. When he actually started games And had more than four pass attempts in any one game. But whatever.

                                The difference being that that the Chargers had someone to turn to. Don't have LT? Well, Michael Turner isn't LT, but hes pretty damn good. He didn't have Gates, but for once, he had receivers to throw to.

                                The Colts were without Freeney who, yes, is a huge loss and Marvin Harison. That left the Colts to turn to Devin Aromashodu. Please tell me you can see the difference between LT - Turner and Marvin Harrison - Devin Aromashodu.

                                And how about the emergence of Antonio Cromartie and Vincent Jackson? Or the acquisition of Chris Chambers? If you're going to make the argument that the Patriots inproved talent wise, you need to make that argument for the Chargers too.

                                If you're going to argue that Laurence Maroney has another year of experience, well, so does the entire Chargers roster. Except Eric Weddle.

                                As for Junior Seau, please tell me you're arguing that the Chargers lost because of 80 year old Junior Seau. Please go down that road.

                                Norv couldn't get the Chargers past the Patriots. Neither could Marty. And as a result, the Chargers have to sit and watch the Patriots move on. Just like Marty. You can deny it all you want, but thats the cold hard truth.
                                Those are some of the most illogical arguments I've ever seen. I'm done arguing it, I think most people can see thru it.

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