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  • #91
    Typical Shiver, arbitrarily pushing and pulling facts so they suit your case. You'll never change, bud. ;)

    If you're going to compare Palmer and Brady, try to do it fairly - the first five years of each player's career:

    Carson Palmer
    2003/Age 24: 0/0
    2004/Age 25: 13/13 - 263/432 - 60.9% - 2,897 yds - 18 TDs - 18 INTs - 222.8 y/g - 77.3 - 25 sacks - 2 fumbles
    2005/Age 26: 16/16 - 345/509 - 67.8% - 3836 yds - 32 TDs - 12 INTs - 239.8 y/g - 101.1 rating - 19 sacks - 5 fumbles
    2006/Age 27: 16/16 - 324/520 - 62.3% - 4035 yds - 28 TDs - 13 INTs - 252.2 y/g - 93.9 rating - 36 sacks - 15 fumbles
    2007/Age 28: 16/16 - 373/575 - 64.9% - 4131 yds - 26 TDs - 20 INTs - 258.2 y/g - 86.7 rating - 17 sacks - 5 fumbles

    Tom Brady
    2000/Age 23: 1/0 - 1/3 - 33.3% - 6 yds - 42.4 rating
    2001/Age 24: 15/14 - 264/413 - 63.9% - 2843 yds - 18 TDs - 12 INTs - 189.5 y/g - 86.5 rating - 41 sacks - 12 fumbles
    2002/Age 25: 16/16 - 373/601 - 62.1% - 3764 yds - 28 TDs - 14 INTs - 235.3 y/g - 85.7 rating - 31 sacks - 11 fumbles
    2003/Age 26: 16/16 - 317/527 - 60.2% - 3620 yds - 23 TDs - 12 INTs - 226.3 y/g - 85.9 rating - 32 sacks - 13 fumbles
    2004/Age 27: 16/16 - 288/474 - 60.8% - 3692 yds - 28 TDs - 14 INTs - 230.8 y/g - 92.6 rating - 26 sacks - 7 fumbles

    Not that it needs to be said, but Brady had the much better defense throughout the timeframe, much better coaching, and Clock Killin' Corey Dillon in 04 providing a championship-caliber running game (of course this is easily and completely forgotten by Pats fans and the dumbass media, as any and all credit must go to Brady). Certainly Palmer didn't have that in 07, with Rudi Johnson hampered all season with a hamstring injury. Palmer does have two very good receivers since starting, and Chris Henry for a number of games, but nothing else either receiver or tight end-wise. The Bengals' OL in 05 is the best for either quarterback in any noted year.
    Last edited by Geo; 02-07-2008, 03:09 AM.
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    • #92
      Those stats only show that I am right, or closer to being right. Carson Palmer's '05 and '06 seasons are hardly that much better than Tom Brady, and we've seen what happens when Brady gets elite receivers like the ones that Palmer had. Tom Brady had a better team around him, which explains why his team did better, but where have I said that Palmer is the reason the Bengals haven't won anything?

      If we've seen what Brady can do with Welker, Stallworth, and Moss, what is Palmer's upside? We've already seen what he can do with a top notch offense around him.
      Last edited by Shiver; 02-07-2008, 03:16 AM.

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      • #93
        Jon Kitna. I keep hearing how he's a top 3 QB in the NFL... and it just isn't true. Top 5... maybe. But, not top 3. He's overrated.
        If Jesus wants him to win, we all should too.
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        • #94
          Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
          Jon Kitna. I keep hearing how he's a top 3 QB in the NFL... and it just isn't true. Top 5... maybe. But, not top 3. He's overrated.
          If Jesus wants him to win, we all should too.
          Hey ninja, I don't know where you hear kitna is a top 3 guy, but I usually don't even see him in the top 10-15

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          • #95
            The fact that so many cowboys made the pro bowl including ROY WILLIAMS for god sake, leads me to believe, even moreso, that a large number of them are over-rated. I'd also nominate Vince Young,

            IMO Keith Brooking and Alge Crumpler are overrated on my team. If this was last year I'd say Deangello Hall but in 2007 he exceeded my expectations. So all those people who loved to tell everyone how overrated he was last year simply should not do it this year because anyone who watch more then 3 games will tell you otherwise.
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            • #96
              Originally posted by Addict View Post
              Hey ninja, I don't know where you hear kitna is a top 3 guy, but I usually don't even see him in the top 10-15
              WHAT!? Really!? It's all over "JonKitnaandJesusPlayingFootball.com". I can't believe you didn't know that.
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              • #97
                jeremy shockey.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Mr. Stiller View Post
                  I don't get why everyone thinks Troy P. and Willie Parker are overrated.
                  Parker is way too inconsistent. -1 yard, -2 yards, 3 yards, 1 yard, 25 yards.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by SNIPER26 View Post
                    Parker is way too inconsistent. -1 yard, -2 yards, 3 yards, 1 yard, 25 yards.
                    I take it you're not a Barry Sanders fan then.

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                    • Rodney Harrison. He really is overrated now.


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                      • Originally posted by Thunder&Lightning View Post
                        Shaun Alexander
                        QFT although everyone now knows he sucks

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                        • John Lynch anyone? I guess if Roy Williams is, at this point we should consider Lynch overrated also. I understand he's aged and isn't the same player he was, but in a way he still gets the same accolaids


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                          • Dre Bly is the first guy to come to my mind

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                            • Darny Scott and Carl Pickens were so overrated when they played.


                              Thanks to jackalope

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                              • Im just happy Mr. Urlacher came up, i think he last few weeks just proved he is a good player

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