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  • #46
    Originally posted by RAZERSAINTS View Post
    That would be a good move you need that cap room for the future that you are building
    I agree. I could see us go for some lower level and middle level free agents, and then resign some players like Hall (doubtful), Boley (probable), Roddy (not sure), and Babineaux (I hope so).

    If we did go for a big name free agent, I wonder who it would be. Probably Michael Turner.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by BamaFalcon59 View Post
      I agree. I could see us go for some lower level and middle level free agents, and then resign some players like Hall (doubtful), Boley (probable), Roddy (not sure), and Babineaux (I hope so).

      If we did go for a big name free agent, I wonder who it would be. Probably Michael Turner.
      We are all on the same page here except I would like to see what norwood could do with the rock 20-25 times a game before they spend money on Turner . Also Dunn needs to take a pay cut he is not woth that much to just run 1 to 2 yards at a time...

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      • #48
        Originally posted by SaintsFanForLife View Post
        We are all on the same page here except I would like to see what norwood could do with the rock 20-25 times a game before they spend money on Turner . Also Dunn needs to take a pay cut he is not woth that much to just run 1 to 2 yards at a time...
        I agree I think Norwood could be the guy in ATL....Give the guy a full time shot at it. And cut Dunns pay.....

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        • #49
          I think Dimintroff has proved he is a dumbass. He apparently said Quinn Ojinkaka, our 285 pound offensive tackle drafted for zone blocking, might be the starter at left tackle next to Blalock because he fits the scheme we will put in perfectly.

          If we pass on Jake Long for Quinn Ojinnaka I will be pissed. If we go zone blocking again I will be beyond pissed. Like, really. Pissed.
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          • #50
            That should not be a surprise, the Patriots were openly fans of Ojinnaka coming out. So I imagine Quinn Ojinnaka was one of the guys that Dimitroff was fond off.

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            • #51
              I really, really, would hate this move. He is 285 pounds. 285. I want road graders. I would be fine with five Justin Blalocks on the offensive line.
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              • #52
                That's a bit of an understatement: he is no smaller than a lot of Left Tackles are. Matt Light is "listed" about eight pounds lighter than Ojinnaka is listed at NFL.com. You can have road graders, but if you have one smaller, athletic guy it would be at LT where you have to fend off the 250-lbs. pass rush specialists. Besides, the Patriots' and Colts' O-Line have never been predicated on size and bulk and they've been the best two in the league this decade.
                Last edited by Shiver; 02-16-2008, 02:26 PM.

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                • #53
                  Funny, I've heard you say multiple times Matt Light is a probowler in name only.

                  Lets look at some other zone blocking teams, because that is the kind of player Ojinnaka is.

                  Broncos- pass protection problems
                  Raiders- pass protection problems
                  Houston- pass protection problems
                  Carolina- pass protection problems
                  old Falcons- pass protection problems

                  There are some teams that use it successfully with pass protection- the Packers and Browns to name a few- but for the most part those types of players struggle in pass protection. And keep in mind the Browns and Packers have very good offensive tackles, be it through the draft or big bucks free agents.
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                  • #54
                    [quote=BamaFalcon59;899180]Funny, I've heard you say multiple times Matt Light is a probowler in name only.[quote]

                    That hardly means I wouldn't want him on the Falcons. He gets undue credit for the team he plays for, no doubt, but he is much better than anything we've had.

                    Lets look at some other zone blocking teams, because that is the kind of player Ojinnaka is.
                    He fits in, but a lot of teams have 290-300 lbs. LTs in so-called "power" schemes as well.

                    Broncos- pass protection problems
                    Not when Lepsis and Nalen where in their prime, and healthy.

                    Raiders- pass protection problems
                    They switched to a ZBS this past year and their protection vastly improved.

                    Houston- pass protection problems
                    They were one of the best teams in sack rate.. You are thinking of the Texans under Capers, with Carr at QB.

                    Carolina- pass protection problems
                    Their O-Line, other than Gross, is not very talented.

                    old Falcons- pass protection problems
                    Any scheme with terrible players isn't going to work. Atlanta has not made the investment in the O-Line, regardless of scheme.

                    There are some teams that use it successfully with pass protection- the Packers and Browns to name a few- but for the most part those types of players struggle in pass protection. And keep in mind the Browns and Packers have very good offensive tackles, be it through the draft or big bucks free agents.
                    And I expect Atlanta to add good Lineman in FA and the Draft.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by BamaFalcon59 View Post
                      Funny, I've heard you say multiple times Matt Light is a probowler in name only.

                      Lets look at some other zone blocking teams, because that is the kind of player Ojinnaka is.

                      Broncos- pass protection problems
                      Raiders- pass protection problems
                      Houston- pass protection problems
                      Carolina- pass protection problems
                      old Falcons- pass protection problems

                      There are some teams that use it successfully with pass protection- the Packers and Browns to name a few- but for the most part those types of players struggle in pass protection. And keep in mind the Browns and Packers have very good offensive tackles, be it through the draft or big bucks free agents.
                      Just thought I'd throw this out there for you; Chad Clifton is the biggest player on our line at 320lbs.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by GB12 View Post
                        Just thought I'd throw this out there for you; Chad Clifton is the biggest player on our line at 320lbs.
                        In 2006 our biggest was Wayne Gandy at less than 310 pounds. Last year, making the change in scheme, it was newly drafted Justin Blalock at 330. Changing to a zone blocking scheme would waste a great pick.
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                        • #57
                          cause they were backin up micheal vick
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by BamaFalcon59 View Post
                            In 2006 our biggest was Wayne Gandy at less than 310 pounds. Last year, making the change in scheme, it was newly drafted Justin Blalock at 330. Changing to a zone blocking scheme would waste a great pick.
                            Why? Quite a few teams run a zone rushing attack and have large lineman. You are using the term "zone blocking" in the Alex Gibbs 'no one over 300-lbs.' sense. Basically you are making a sweeping generalization in using that term.

                            As for Quinn Ojinnaka he was listed by NFL.com as being 6'5" 312-lbs. While that may be generous, he isn't out of the ballpark of what most NFL Left Tackles weigh. It is unusual to find a good LT who is both big and has the athleticism to be a good pass protector.
                            Last edited by Shiver; 02-16-2008, 09:54 PM.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                              Why? Quite a few teams run a zone rushing attack and have large lineman. You are using the term "zone blocking" in the Alex Gibbs 'no one over 300-lbs.' sense. Basically you are making a sweeping generalization in using that term.

                              As for Quinn Ojinnaka he was listed by NFL.com as being 6'5" 312-lbs. While that may be generous, he isn't out of the ballpark of what most NFL Left Tackles weigh. It is unusual to find a good LT who is both big and has the athleticism to be a good pass protector.
                              I was surprised when I saw his weight, I'll say that.

                              But still, I'm not too confident in him. I'll have faith in our front office, though. They haven't given me a reason to doubt them yet. Even if I don't love the Mike Smith hiring, I can't really say is is horrible for another few seasons.
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