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  • #46
    Originally posted by someone447 View Post
    I can guarantee that if they taped one practice, they taped more. This won't have been a one time thing.
    So it's OK to have this line of thinking with absolutely zero proof that it even happened in the first place, but you're a homer and need to rethink your life if you think the other way. OK. I can see how that makes sense.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by nfrillman View Post
      Yeah, and Richard Nixon is not a crook because he said he wasn't, Barry Bonds didn't knowingly take steroids because he said he didn't, and the death star was only designed to maintain peace and order in the galaxy because the Emperor said so.
      I see, so I should just be thinking independently about everything and assume everyone is lying about everything then, right? Because that's the way the world works. Everyone is lying about everything. We should all walk around paranoid and assuming the worst. Yup, I can see why you are the rational one here and I'm just some silly homer for believing the guy who runs the league.

      In that case, I am going to assume the Colts really were piping in noise. They need to be hit with heavy fines and we need a full scale CIA investigation before they blow up that building. God damnit how many games did they win because of that noise?!?! THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Jay View Post
        I see, so I should just be thinking independently about everything and assume everyone is lying about everything then, right? Because that's the way the world works. Everyone is lying about everything. We should all walk around paranoid and assuming the worst. Yup, I can see why you are the rational one here and I'm just some silly homer for believing the guy who runs the league.

        In that case, I am going to assume the Colts really were piping in noise. They need to be hit with heavy fines and we need a full scale CIA investigation before they blow up that building. God damnit how many games did they win because of that noise?!?! THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW.
        Unless the piped in crowd noise was telling the Colts the exact play that the opposing offense was going to run, it's not the same situation.

        You really are sticking your head in the sand here. It IS crazy to believe the guy who runs the league right now; the guy destroyed evidence for no reason!

        I guess I don't blame you. It must be pretty sickening to spend 5 years or so watching a dynasty develop and then watch the whole thing crumble because, oops, they were cheating the whole time.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by ChargerCohen View Post
          Unless the piped in crowd noise was telling the Colts the exact play that the opposing offense was going to run, it's not the same situation.

          You really are sticking your head in the sand here. It IS crazy to believe the guy who runs the league right now; the guy destroyed evidence for no reason!

          I guess I don't blame you. It must be pretty sickening to spend 5 years or so watching a dynasty develop and then watch the whole thing crumble because, oops, they were cheating the whole time.
          He obviously destroyed it for some reason, nobody is too sure as to what reason that is. And it also has not been proven true that the patriots were cheating the whole time, at least not with any evidence to support those claims. Its not homerism to believe that the patriots did not cheat without evidence, that is actually how the law works. Until evidence comes out and proves that the patriots were taping games, practices, or whatever, its walsh's word against the patriots, as only goodell really knows what was on the previous tapes.
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          • #50
            Jay and Bilingsley:

            If the tapes didn't help, then why the hell would they keep breaking the rules and filming teams illegally? Thats like a thief that keeps breaking into houses but never takes anything. It just doesn't make sense.

            When there's smoke, 9/10 times there is fire. They wouldn't wake up on random days and say, "Hey, lets go film so-and-sos practice today!". It was definitley not a one time thing.
            Last edited by Bengals1690; 02-17-2008, 12:04 PM.


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            • #51
              Originally posted by Bengals1690 View Post
              Jay and Bilingsley:

              If the tapes didn't help, then why the hell would they keep breaking the rules and filming teams illegally? Thats like a thief that keeps breaking into houses but never taking anything. It just doesn't make sense.
              But COMMISHIONER GOOD-L SAID!!!!!!! HE SAID!!!!!!!!! HE SAID SAID SAID!!!!!!!!!!

              *stomps feet repeatedly*
              Last edited by Crickett; 02-17-2008, 05:16 PM.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Bengals1690 View Post
                Jay and Bilingsley:

                If the tapes didn't help, then why the hell would they keep breaking the rules and filming teams illegally? Thats like a thief that keeps breaking into houses but never takes anything. It just doesn't make sense.
                Because they could, and they didn't think they were breaking rules. Why would someone interfere with a receiver if it is against the rules? Why would someone offer a coach a job while he is under contract and coaching in the Super Bowl? Why would someone pay money to college athletes to get them to go to their school? And you can claim the playing dumb when you get caught shtick shouldn't be believed, but again, when you've been "caught" multiple times over the course of a few years and nothing comes of it, yeah, I'd think it's OK too. So they got kicked out of some other teams stadium. Oh well.

                I've already told you what they do with the tapes. And I've said it about 10 times in the last week. I am more than positive they find some form of value in it, somehow, somewhere. You go ahead and believe what you want to believe. You've already made up your mind with no proof whatsoever to support your claim. Rock on with your bad self.

                Originally posted by Bengals1690 View Post
                When there's smoke, 9/10 times there is fire. They wouldn't wake up on random days and say, "Hey, lets go film so-and-sos practice today!". It was definitley not a one time thing.
                You're right. It might have been a no time thing. And until actual proof comes out, no one knows anything.

                But you know, there was some smoke in Foxboro when it came out that the Jets got busted for the same thing, and everyone bought their excuse hook, line and sinker, even though I already posted the NFL rules for video taping for coaching purposes, and the Jets were very clearly breaking them.

                But no one cared, because the Jets suck and are completely irrelevant. It does prove, though, that there are a lot of hypocrites out there. Because, you know, where there's smoke, there's fire 9/10 times, and you know, the coach of the Jets benefited from video taping as much as anyone else that's done it, so you know, maybe we should just assume they are doing it every week and every game too? Because clearly that is acceptable here.

                You and I both know you're not going to buy that for a second, which is laughable because what you are doing is no different.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by ChargerCohen View Post
                  Unless the piped in crowd noise was telling the Colts the exact play that the opposing offense was going to run, it's not the same situation.
                  Where is your proof that the Patriots knew the exact play that was going to be run again? Oh wait, what was that? You don't have any? That's what I thought.

                  And yeah, I am more then aware I just cued the obvious joke, but even if the evidence was destroyed, we already know what it was because Fox showed everyone.

                  And again... thank you for proving my point. The only reason anyone cares is because it is the Patriots. If it were anyone else, this would have been the non-story every other cheater in NFL history has become within a week.

                  Cue the obvious lecture to follow about the fact that we're not talking about anyone else that cheated, the only one that matters is the Patriots. Blah blah blah. It's the same thing over and over...

                  Originally posted by ChargerCohen View Post
                  You really are sticking your head in the sand here. It IS crazy to believe the guy who runs the league right now; the guy destroyed evidence for no reason!

                  I guess I don't blame you. It must be pretty sickening to spend 5 years or so watching a dynasty develop and then watch the whole thing crumble because, oops, they were cheating the whole time.
                  We can argue semantics until we're blue in the face or the thread gets locked, and one way or another, one of them is going to happen. I really don't care which it is.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Jay View Post
                    Because they could, and they didn't think they were breaking rules. Why would someone interfere with a receiver if it is against the rules? Why would someone offer a coach a job while he is under contract and coaching in the Super Bowl? Why would someone pay money to college athletes to get them to go to their school?
                    Funny you should ask those questions...because it proves his point.

                    The reason people do all those things? It gives them an edge to win....the same reason your team cheated.

                    Having your team cheat can leave a bad taste in your mouth I understand....but be a man, accept it and move on. Your Dynasty is a sham....look to the future.

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                    • #55
                      First off, I'd like to know what Fox affliate you were watching that said, "We definitely have all the Patriots Spygate tapes and now we will show them to you."

                      As for general rules in life, here is one you should probably learn....when someone says something that doesn't make any sense or say they did something that doesn't make any sense, they are most likely lying or at the very least not telling the whole truth. So, with that general life rule in mind, does it make any sense whatsoever for the commish to destroy evidence of cheating. In the history of world I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the time when evidence is intentially destroyed , it is done to cover something up.

                      I am done arguing, until somebody says something stupid.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Jay View Post
                        Where is your proof that the Patriots knew the exact play that was going to be run again? Oh wait, what was that? You don't have any? That's what I thought.

                        And yeah, I am more then aware I just cued the obvious joke, but even if the evidence was destroyed, we already know what it was because Fox showed everyone.

                        And again... thank you for proving my point. The only reason anyone cares is because it is the Patriots. If it were anyone else, this would have been the non-story every other cheater in NFL history has become within a week.

                        Cue the obvious lecture to follow about the fact that we're not talking about anyone else that cheated, the only one that matters is the Patriots. Blah blah blah. It's the same thing over and over...
                        Here is the thing. Its because it was a team that won three championships and almost won a fourth with a perfect record. Despite what you may think, its not because the team was called the Patriots and its not because they hail from New England. If it was a team that went 3-13, yeah, nobody would care. People would probably laugh because that team would be the laughingstock of the league. But it wasn't. You don't think if the Spurs had been caught cheating that it would be a huge scandal? If so, please send me a postcard from whatever world you live on, cuz its not Earth

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                        • #57
                          That's the point. If the Jets pulled the same illegal maneuvers and used the same excuses, then why are they not being scrutinized as much as the patriots. The same offense should receive the same punishment and scrutiny right? Perhaps even more so if it happens (gets caught) second?

                          Also, Belicheck came out today and said that he could not pick Walsh out of a lineup. Essentially the way it boils down is Walsh's word that the tapes were used by the patriots, and the patriots (Belichick's) word that the tapes were not either known of or used. When/if the tapes are released, there still may never be a resolution to the conflict or have the actual truth come out about the rams tapes.
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                          • #58
                            Are these pornos starring Brenda Warner, I'd like to see them then. Otherwise, IDC about Spygate.

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                            • #59
                              Blaming Bellicheck for cheating is like blaming refs for losing the game. Yeah, there are bad calls, but a lot of the time it is because the team ****s up. The Rams didn't run the ball and Big Ben played like crap when it counted. Seriously, stop making all of this a personal issue against your own team.

                              More pointed to the steelers thread, I guess. =D


                              Originally posted by Halsey
                              I don't have to watch it to know it was not interesting.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by nfrillman View Post
                                First off, I'd like to know what Fox affliate you were watching that said, "We definitely have all the Patriots Spygate tapes and now we will show them to you."
                                Hahahahaha yeah because that's EXACTLY what I was implying. If you don't know what I am talking about, maybe we shouldn't be having this conversation.

                                Originally posted by nfrillman View Post
                                As for general rules in life, here is one you should probably learn....when someone says something that doesn't make any sense or say they did something that doesn't make any sense, they are most likely lying or at the very least not telling the whole truth. So, with that general life rule in mind, does it make any sense whatsoever for the commish to destroy evidence of cheating. In the history of world I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the time when evidence is intentially destroyed , it is done to cover something up.
                                General rules on life? This is what you have resorted to? Are we going to go over abstinence with a little side of teamwork next? Let me guess, all your t-ball and soccer games ended with a tied score. Dude. I think you need to do a little research on the situation and stop with the hyperbole.

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