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  • #61
    Originally posted by MasterShake View Post
    Funny you should ask those questions...because it proves his point.

    The reason people do all those things? It gives them an edge to win....the same reason your team cheated.

    Having your team cheat can leave a bad taste in your mouth I understand....but be a man, accept it and move on. Your Dynasty is a sham....look to the future.
    That's fine. They got caught breaking a rule. They got punished. I'd certainly like to move on, but five months later it's still the biggest story in sports even though it is the most irrelevant.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Crickett View Post
      Here is the thing. Its because it was a team that won three championships and almost won a fourth with a perfect record. Despite what you may think, its not because the team was called the Patriots and its not because they hail from New England. If it was a team that went 3-13, yeah, nobody would care. People would probably laugh because that team would be the laughingstock of the league. But it wasn't. You don't think if the Spurs had been caught cheating that it would be a huge scandal? If so, please send me a postcard from whatever world you live on, cuz its not Earth
      Nope, there wouldn't be. Because no one already hates the Spurs. It's the exact same reason why no one asks questions about whether Michael Jordan gambled on basketball games. Everyone loves Michael Jordan. Yet I've read enough to suggest that his epiphany to play minor league baseball was more of a quite "you need to go away for a year" then anything.

      And define cheating. If they were caught slipping roofies into their opponents Gatorade before every game, I'd say that's a little different then video recording signals that can already be stolen.

      It has become "cheating" because that is the word all the haters have attached to it. Technically, it is cheating, you are right, but you better be prepared to call pass interference, roughing the passer and too many men on the field cheating too, because by your very own definition, it is.

      And you proved my point. If this wasn't the New England Patriots, no one would care. Because everyone already hated the Patriots, and this gave them just another reason to hate them. It's the same reason all the chuckleheads call them classless when they do nothing different on the field then any other team in the NFL.

      But cheating is cheating right? And the Jets were doing the same thing as the Patriots, yet it got swept under the rug. Kind of kills the point you were hoping to make. And hey, look at me! I can do stuff in all white too! Because you know, it's there, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE IT! OMGZ!!1!

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Jay View Post
        Nope, there wouldn't be. Because no one already hates the Spurs. It's the exact same reason why no one asks questions about whether Michael Jordan gambled on basketball games. Everyone loves Michael Jordan. Yet I've read enough to suggest that his epiphany to play minor league baseball was more of a quite "you need to go away for a year" then anything.

        And define cheating. If they were caught slipping roofies into their opponents Gatorade before every game, I'd say that's a little different then video recording signals that can already be stolen.

        It has become "cheating" because that is the word all the haters have attached to it. Technically, it is cheating, you are right, but you better be prepared to call pass interference, roughing the passer and too many men on the field cheating too, because by your very own definition, it is.
        Well u think everyone hates the Pats just because they are the Pats? I mean sure there are some people out there but seriously u, u believe every single one in the US not being a NE Fan hates the Pats so much that they actually try to steal their championships and try to find ways to make them look bad?

        Btw didnt we talk about those things? Yes u have Cheating, and slipping roofies in their gatorade is just as much cheating as Pass Interference and the Video Tapes. Thats why there are fouls. thats why teams/players are penalized for Roughing the Passer or PI. Thats why there are refs in the game. But what u are referring to is just plain bold. U r saying because that is "okay" in a game, u shouldnt be to concerned about a Video Tape, i mean they couldve slipped sth in their drinks but they didnt.

        Video Tapes give u a really big advantage. Its like in every other sport or in life. If u know what the Defense/the Others are going to do, its way easier to plan, practice and play against it. Im pretty much over the cheating thing. It happened, its gonna be a sour taste in your mouth every time u gonna talk about the Pats Dynasty. But u are really trying to defend ur team and it is really getting ridiculous...

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        • #64
          And what proof do you have that these video tapes gave the Pats any more advantage then the hours and hours of game film they watch? They were not used in game, so I don't understand why people think it is "a huge advantage."

          And it's funny you mention being penalized for PI and roughing the passer... isn't that what happened when the Pats got fined the biggest fine in NFL history and stripped of a first round pick? You know... a penalty?

          And finally, about the "tape" in question. The Rams have come out and said they went over red zone plays in their walk through. They scored every time they were in the red zone. How would the tape of the walk through helped the Patriots again? Because you know, they scored in the situations the Pats were supposed to know.

          And I don't think everyone hates the Pats, just the ones that are commenting here. There are plenty of people out there that root for other teams that think this is completely ******** and needs to go away. There are just a lot of bitter people that feel better about their teams losses with the shred of hope that this is 132942034042 times worse then it actually is, and they are the ones yelling the loudest.

          Sadly for them, it's not. And this is about the only case in my time on this message board that I have ever seen it be OK to speculate and assume it's the truth... but only if your speculation ends with the Patriots being scumbag cheaters that need to be lynched in a back alley and then killed by firing squad...

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          • #65
            Well isnt it also a speculation on ur side?
            I just dont get ur reasoning saying they made these tapes, but they didnt use them, at least we dont have any reason. I mean BB isnt dumb. If he makes these tapes he is going to use them (practices etc.).

            I never said they havent been penalized but u put those 2 things on the same level.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Renji View Post
              Well isnt it also a speculation on ur side?
              I just dont get ur reasoning saying they made these tapes, but they didnt use them, at least we dont have any reason. I mean BB isnt dumb. If he makes these tapes he is going to use them (practices etc.).

              I never said they havent been penalized but u put those 2 things on the same level.
              It is speculation on both sides, which is why it is ridiculous that people shoot down patriots fans for being "homers" when we try to defend our team.

              Also, Pioli came out and said that part of the reason Walsh was fired was in part de to his secretly taping other teams practices and such. Therefore, as I have said before, there may never even be proof that the tapes (of the rams) were used by, or even ordered by, BB.
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              • #67
                But werent their accusations of taping in the Steelers games? Wasnt Walsh fired after the Rams SB`?

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                • #68
                  true, there were allegations. I was referring specifically to the rams walkthrough. Other than taping the jets game this year, there havent been any tapes or any other forms of evidence produced to support any other allegations (to my knowledge). Plus, as Jay said before, BB has a library on all of the DC's in the league to pick up on certain tendencies and play calling trends. It is also more speculation as to what is on the tapes that supposedly exist.
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                  • #69
                    Everyone is questioning why would The Pats keep taping if they don't get anything out of it. Why does Walsh sit on these tapes that some what proves that they were cheated out of a SB until years later?
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Renji View Post
                      But werent their accusations of taping in the Steelers games? Wasnt Walsh fired after the Rams SB`?
                      No, it was every football game they could possibly tape. No accusations, it happened. And they did use them to help evaluate all the coaches of every team so that they knew that when Ted Cotrell goes from being the defensive coordinator of the Chargers to being the DC of the Chiefs, what tendancies he has in play calling in certain situations.

                      But according to Belichick, they were never used in the game. And they have NEVER been caught using them in game. No one is willing to assume that other teams video are taping games, but they are willing to assume the Patriots were using it in game when everything says otherwise and there is absolutely zero proof that they ever did (and the tapes being destroyed has nothing to do with it).

                      That's all there is to it.
                      Last edited by Jay; 02-18-2008, 11:54 AM.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by broth223 View Post
                        Everyone is questioning why would The Pats keep taping if they don't get anything out of it. Why does Walsh sit on these tapes that some what proves that they were cheated out of a SB until years later?
                        He waited until he would get the absolute most publicity out of it. I think that is quite obvious.

                        You Pat's fans are right, maybe BB didn't use the tapes. But maybe Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds only LOOKED at the steroids... Maybe The Black Sox Scandal players were only FRIENDS with the bookie. Maybe the only crime Al Capone committed was tax evasion. Come on, think critically about this. If you are going to risk getting caught doing something illegal, it is because you gain some sort of advantage. Would you go into a bank with a gun, demand all their money, and then leave the money at the door? Of course not.

                        Jay, you obviously don't remember when MJ went to play baseball. EVERYONE was talking about how Stern told him to take some time off because of his gambling. There has been no evidence he bet on basketball, there is evidence the Pats cheated. You know Richard Nixon was exposed by an anonymous tip.

                        But go ahead and live in a little fairy tale world where people only *think* about cheating.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by someone447 View Post
                          He waited until he would get the absolute most publicity out of it. I think that is quite obvious.

                          You Pat's fans are right, maybe BB didn't use the tapes. But maybe Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds only LOOKED at the steroids... Maybe The Black Sox Scandal players were only FRIENDS with the bookie. Maybe the only crime Al Capone committed was tax evasion. Come on, think critically about this. If you are going to risk getting caught doing something illegal, it is because you gain some sort of advantage. Would you go into a bank with a gun, demand all their money, and then leave the money at the door? Of course not.

                          Jay, you obviously don't remember when MJ went to play baseball. EVERYONE was talking about how Stern told him to take some time off because of his gambling. There has been no evidence he bet on basketball, there is evidence the Pats cheated. You know Richard Nixon was exposed by an anonymous tip.

                          But go ahead and live in a little fairy tale world where people only *think* about cheating.
                          You get more publicity now than if IDK say he did it right after the SB?

                          And maybe the US Gov really did plan 9/11. Maybe we never did land on the moon. MAYBE AREA 51 REALLY HOLDS ALIANS!!!
                          Last edited by Brothgar; 02-18-2008, 12:35 PM.
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                          Originally posted by njx9
                          oh please. as if canadians even know what beer is.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by broth223 View Post
                            You get more publicity now than if IDK say he did it right after the SB?

                            And maybe the US Gov really did plan 9/11. Maybe we never did land on the moon. MAYBE AREA 51 REALLY HOLDS ALIANS!!!
                            Other than the fact that all the evidence points to all those being false, while the tapes point to it being true(they did it before, someone who worked in the organization came forward. Plus, I think it is naive to think the government doesn't have some blame in 9/11, even if it was caused by gross incompetence due to how big the bureaucracy is, but I digress.)

                            If he did it right after the Super Bowl he would have had to compete with the Giants who just ended the perfect season. I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to come forward right after the Super Bowl if the Pats one.

                            For the record, I don't hate the Patriots, I hate Bill Belicheck.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by someone447 View Post
                              Other than the fact that all the evidence points to all those being false, while the tapes point to it being true(they did it before, someone who worked in the organization came forward. Plus, I think it is naive to think the government doesn't have some blame in 9/11, even if it was caused by gross incompetence due to how big the bureaucracy is, but I digress.)

                              If he did it right after the Super Bowl he would have had to compete with the Giants who just ended the perfect season. I wouldn't be surprised if he was going to come forward right after the Super Bowl if the Pats one.

                              For the record, I don't hate the Patriots, I hate Bill Belicheck.
                              I'm wrong I didn't read the thread as clearly as I previously thought. For some reason I thought Walsh was a part of the Rams organization... Although I'm not ready to burn the Pats at the stake over tapes that a potentially disgruntled former employee says he has. If the investigation uncovers something that shows a clear cut competitive advantage. Then I say that they should punish the team and Belickeck severely. Banishment is a bit much. I'd say that the punishment should be the same as steroids they are essentially the same minus the health risks. In the sense that they are both methods against the rules of the NFL that gained a competitive advantage.
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                              Originally posted by njx9
                              oh please. as if canadians even know what beer is.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by broth223 View Post
                                I'm wrong I didn't read the thread as clearly as I previously thought. For some reason I thought Walsh was a part of the Rams organization... Although I'm not ready to burn the Pats at the stake over tapes that a potentially disgruntled former employee says he has. If the investigation uncovers something that shows a clear cut competitive advantage. Then I say that they should punish the team and Belickeck severely. Banishment is a bit much. I'd say that the punishment should be the same as steroids they are essentially the same minus the health risks. In the sense that they are both methods against the rules of the NFL that gained a competitive advantage.
                                I am just of the school of thought, that where there is smoke, there is fire. If it comes out he made everything up, then obviously I won't continue to believe they are guilty, but right now, all the signs point to them being guilty.
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