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  • #31
    Mawae will get in, just not 1st ballot.
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    • #32
      Ray Lewis
      Jonathan Ogden
      Michael Strahan
      Peyton Manning
      Tom Brady
      Brett Favre
      Walter Jones
      Marvin Harrison

      AND

      Of course, Troy Smith!!! =D
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      • #33
        Champ Bailey? probably not first ballot, but he'll get in.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
          i think youre projecting with Gates, he's not there yet. Seau is not first ballot. He might get in eventually, but definitely not first ballot. Harrison, I don't think he gets in. Vinetari makes a case for himself to get in, but definitely not first ballot.

          And who's Taylor?

          Seau not first ballot? He's probably the best overall linebacker from the 90's decade. It doesn't make sense that Brooks is a first ballot HOF and Seau isn't. Seau was always bigger, more physical, and more disruptive, just an overall bad-*** in his prime. Brooks was better in coverage obviously, but Seau was a terror on his patented timed blitzes and extremely disruptive in the running game. He also had outstanding range at 6'3'' and burst to the football. In my opinion, he's the second most gifted linebacker of all time behind Lawrence Taylor. This is all with a much much less talented overall defense around him throughout his career.

          I would take Lewis over Seau, but Seau was better than Brooks.
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          • #35
            I hate to agree with a Chargers fan, but I think Seau was more dominant than Brooks in his prime. He was a force with a much less impressive supporting cast.

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            • #36
              1st ballot:

              Peyton Manning
              Tom Brady
              Brett Favre
              Johnathan Ogden

              2nd or later ballot:

              Michael Strahan
              Ray Lewis
              Warren Sapp
              Derrick Brooks
              Jason Taylor
              Randy Moss
              Tony Gonzalez
              Marvin Harrison
              Orlando Pace
              LaDainian Tomlinson
              Walter Jones
              Osi Umenyiora
              Asante Samuel
              Tedy Bruschi
              Rodney Harrison
              Simeon Rice
              Anthony McFarland maybe.

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              • #37
                I'm glad somebody beat me to the Seau defense. He's definitely a first ballot guy.

                As for guys who have 1st ballot locked up already I'd say, Brady, Manning, Favre, LDT, Strahan, R. Lewis, Seau, Gonzalez, Pace and Ogden. All others such as Moss and Owens need to put up a few more years of numbers. I probably forgot a few too though.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Geo View Post
                  I agree with you there, Roaf and Pace imo are the best left tackles of their era. I don't know what it is about Ogden that he gets overrated as he does, and in the case for Jones, playing in Seattle hurts him.

                  If Tarik Glenn had played a few more years and won two more championships, he'd have been strongly considered. As it is, he was part of this era's best offense over a sustained period of time.


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                  You're being kind, BBD. Voters won't forget that Moss can dog it when the ball isn't coming to him, and that he completely and utterly dogged it when he was in Oakland.
                  Roaf was always my favorite. I felt he was the best of the bunch. Ogden is overrated, but hey, its the media that votes. Who knows what happens.

                  Tarik Glenn is one of the most overlooked players the past 10 seasons or so. I bet you half the board didn't even know who he was until he retired.

                  I know voters will hold that against Moss, but even with that, he's too good not to be first ballot. I just don't see him getting snubbed. And I expect him to finish his career on a high note, which would make people forget about what he did. Think about it, the 2 statistically greatest offenses in NFL history were this Pats team, and the Vikings back in 98 I believe (i forgot which year they were). The one common denominator between both those teams was Randy Moss. Thats not coincidence. I'll be shocked if he's not a first ballot guy.

                  Originally posted by San Diego Chicken View Post
                  Seau not first ballot? He's probably the best overall linebacker from the 90's decade. It doesn't make sense that Brooks is a first ballot HOF and Seau isn't. Seau was always bigger, more physical, and more disruptive, just an overall bad-*** in his prime. Brooks was better in coverage obviously, but Seau was a terror on his patented timed blitzes and extremely disruptive in the running game. He also had outstanding range at 6'3'' and burst to the football. In my opinion, he's the second most gifted linebacker of all time behind Lawrence Taylor. This is all with a much much less talented overall defense around him throughout his career.

                  I would take Lewis over Seau, but Seau was better than Brooks.
                  Before this season, when Seau announced his "retirement" there were talks in the media regarding if he will make the HOF period. Now whether thats fair or not, thats a clear indication that he won't be a first ballot guy. Thats just how it is. Do I agree with it? I think he will eventually get into the Hall. But first ballot? Id be surprised.

                  Remember, being a 1st ballot guy on defense, you have to be iconic. Jr. Seau was not iconic. Brooks is the blueprint for the Tampa 2 WILL. He's a SB winner, multiple PBer, he's iconic. Seau never achieved that status. Thats why Brooks is 1st ballot, and Seau is not.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Patriots16-0 View Post
                    1st ballot:

                    Peyton Manning
                    Tom Brady
                    Brett Favre
                    Johnathan Ogden

                    2nd or later ballot:

                    Michael Strahan
                    Ray Lewis
                    Warren Sapp
                    Derrick Brooks
                    Jason Taylor
                    Randy Moss
                    Tony Gonzalez
                    Marvin Harrison
                    Orlando Pace
                    LaDainian Tomlinson
                    Walter Jones
                    Osi Umenyiora
                    Asante Samuel
                    Tedy Bruschi
                    Rodney Harrison
                    Simeon Rice
                    Anthony McFarland maybe.

                    Are you freaking kidding me? As much as Ray Ray drives me crazy with his shenanigans he's easily a 1st Ballot HOFer. He will go down as one of the all time great linebackers. As for the latter bolded ones, take off the homer cap please.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Patriots16-0 View Post
                      1st ballot:

                      Peyton Manning
                      Tom Brady
                      Brett Favre
                      Johnathan Ogden

                      2nd or later ballot:

                      Michael Strahan
                      Ray Lewis
                      Warren Sapp
                      Derrick Brooks
                      Jason Taylor
                      Randy Moss
                      Tony Gonzalez
                      Marvin Harrison
                      Orlando Pace
                      LaDainian Tomlinson
                      Walter Jones
                      Osi Umenyiora
                      Asante Samuel
                      Tedy Bruschi
                      Rodney Harrison
                      Simeon Rice
                      Anthony McFarland maybe.
                      This is horrible. Osi Umeniyora (projecting)? Asante Samuel (projecting)? Bruschi (not dominant)? Rodney Harrison (two career probowls)? ANTHONY MCFARLAND (what!?) !?!?

                      And if LaDainian Tomlinson and Ray Lewis are not first ballot that is a joke. They are argueably the best players to ever play their positions.

                      And I think Marvin Harrison, Terrell Owens, and Randy Moss have to be first ballot. Harrison was one of the most productive wide receivers of all time, Terrell Owens and Randy Moss probably in the top five most dominant wide receivers of all time. Especially Moss, whose production per game or year is amazing, especially without those two horrible Oakland years.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by BamaFalcon59 View Post
                        This is horrible. Osi Umeniyora (projecting)? Asante Samuel (projecting)? Bruschi (not dominant)? Rodney Harrison (two career probowls)? ANTHONY MCFARLAND (what!?) !?!?

                        And if LaDainian Tomlinson and Ray Lewis are not first ballot that is a joke. They are argueably the best players to ever play their positions.

                        And I think Marvin Harrison, Terrell Owens, and Randy Moss have to be first ballot. Harrison was one of the most productive wide receivers of all time, Terrell Owens and Randy Moss probably in the top five most dominant wide receivers of all time. Especially Moss, whose production per game or year is amazing, especially without those two horrible Oakland years.
                        I don't see how Harrison gets mention but Torry Holt does not. I think Holt needs two more years and he should be a lock to get in (not first ballot though) and as of right now should be borderline. But he no pub, maybe because he doesn't run his mouth or wear an NFL HOF jacket.

                        Orlando Pace in his prime is the greatest OT I've ever seen. Greater than Boselli, Munoz, Zimmerman, Roaf, anybody. I put him in first ballot over Roaf for that simple fact.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                          Before this season, when Seau announced his "retirement" there were talks in the media regarding if he will make the HOF period. Now whether thats fair or not, thats a clear indication that he won't be a first ballot guy. Thats just how it is. Do I agree with it? I think he will eventually get into the Hall. But first ballot? Id be surprised.
                          The media always draws up a storm whenever a player retires. There will be members of the media in 2035, when Brett Favre retires, who will be arguing that he doesn't belong in Canton.

                          Remember, being a 1st ballot guy on defense, you have to be iconic. Jr. Seau was not iconic.
                          Says you. Seau was the defensive face of the Chargers, when the Chargers were a very good defensive unit. He was the premier Linebacker of the 1990s.

                          Brooks is the blueprint for the Tampa 2 WILL. He's a SB winner, multiple PBer, he's iconic. Seau never achieved that status. Thats why Brooks is 1st ballot, and Seau is not.
                          Because apparently now LBs are single handedly responsible for their teams winning a championship?

                          As for Brook's 10 pro bowls, yes, they are impressive. Almost as impressive as the 12 Seau has been to. Seau was also selected to 10 All Pro teams, compared to Brooks' 9.

                          Seau was much better at rushing the passer than Brooks, compiling 56.5 sacks to Brooks' 13.5. He was also almost as good in coverage, Racking up 18 INTs to Brooks' 24.

                          There is no solid argument for Brooks being a superior Linebacker to Seau. There's only people's selective memory.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Shockey+Manning=Shocking View Post
                            I wonder how much winning a superbowl factors in...
                            Joe namath comes to mind,but then so does Doug Williams and almost offsets my first thought. But Namath had a better career than Williams



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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by marks01234 View Post
                              I don't see how Harrison gets mention but Torry Holt does not. I think Holt needs two more years and he should be a lock to get in (not first ballot though) and as of right now should be borderline. But he no pub, maybe because he doesn't run his mouth or wear an NFL HOF jacket.

                              Orlando Pace in his prime is the greatest OT I've ever seen. Greater than Boselli, Munoz, Zimmerman, Roaf, anybody. I put him in first ballot over Roaf for that simple fact.
                              I just missed Holt. I completely agree.

                              Pace I think is amazing as well, but offensive tackles are a bit tough to pick and choose from. First ballot is tough.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                                Before this season, when Seau announced his "retirement" there were talks in the media regarding if he will make the HOF period. Now whether thats fair or not, thats a clear indication that he won't be a first ballot guy. Thats just how it is. Do I agree with it? I think he will eventually get into the Hall. But first ballot? Id be surprised.

                                Remember, being a 1st ballot guy on defense, you have to be iconic. Jr. Seau was not iconic. Brooks is the blueprint for the Tampa 2 WILL. He's a SB winner, multiple PBer, he's iconic. Seau never achieved that status. Thats why Brooks is 1st ballot, and Seau is not.
                                That just sounds like a lot of fluff and window-dressing. The bottom line is, Seau was a better player, a more talented player than Derrick Brooks.

                                Here's the list of players with as many or more pro bowl selections as Junior Seau-

                                Bruce Matthews
                                Merlin Olsen
                                Reggie White
                                Jerry Rice

                                That's it. Those players are all first ballot hall of famers. To say Seau isn't because he wasn't "iconic" is 100% conjecture and purely a matter of perspective. I'm positive that alot of fans who watched Seau dominate in the 90's would easily say he's as iconic as any player out there.
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