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  • #61
    Originally posted by Crickett View Post
    Drew Brees had a bum knee?
    A serious shoulder injury that put his career in jeopardy.
    The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

    “We know that no matter the adversity, be it the lockout, be it the suspension or be it a hurricane, our men will pull together and defend the honor of this city. We’ve shown we’ve been able to do that.” - Jabari Greer

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Shiver View Post
      Maybe he and Deuce McAllister will rehab their bum knees together...
      Deuce had over 1,000yds and 10 TDs coming off a torn ACL in 2006. This is his second ACL tear, but in a different leg.

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      • #63
        I imagine the rest of FA will impact it, but if a DT is in range, I think they make the move. I mean, the swap from 7-10 isn't that steep, just the cost of a 3rd rounder. That would keep the 2nd and allow for a CB to be picked there.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by toonsterwu View Post
          I imagine the rest of FA will impact it, but if a DT is in range, I think they make the move. I mean, the swap from 7-10 isn't that steep, just the cost of a 3rd rounder. That would keep the 2nd and allow for a CB to be picked there.
          I'd be up to trade for Ellis or Dorsey. If we take Balmer at 10, though... puke.
          The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

          “We know that no matter the adversity, be it the lockout, be it the suspension or be it a hurricane, our men will pull together and defend the honor of this city. We’ve shown we’ve been able to do that.” - Jabari Greer

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          • #65
            Originally posted by BroadwayJoe10 View Post
            I don't understand why a 2nd in 09 is worth about a 3rd this year?? If we have the chance of getting a 2nd next year wouldn't that be better than a 3rd this year?? I dont understand the logic??
            It's the future value concept that holds true in say, finances as well. The ability to get something now and develop said player has value that time can't make up for. Now, that said, draft valuations on future value have fluctuated. Some teams don't care about it. Some teams have used something less than a full round difference. Some teams use a half-round valuation from what I recall on trades. Some teams use a full round deduction (the one trade that always pops in my mind was Atlanta givinup up a future first to move up one year, everyone thought it was for Peerless Price, but it was for Reggie Kelly).

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            • #66
              toonsterwu is a smart, smart man.
              The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

              “We know that no matter the adversity, be it the lockout, be it the suspension or be it a hurricane, our men will pull together and defend the honor of this city. We’ve shown we’ve been able to do that.” - Jabari Greer

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              • #67
                btw, the more i think about it, the more i'd be pissed if I was a Jets fan. Even taking a 4th and a lesser conditional 2009 would be something, IMO, that would be more intriguing than this. Why? This was the odd year where on paper, there looks to be decent-solid 3-4 DL options in the midrounds. There should be real solid LB value as well in the midrounds. Same for DB. TE in the 4th? could be good. WR in the 4th? could be intriguing. For all the talk about the lack of a 1 in this WR class, that's actually pretty ridiculous, IMO. There's going to be a decent 1 in this class, may just be later in the year OL? there's intriguing in the midrounds as well. This is close to a make or break year for Clemens. Even a 4th might've found something intriguing.

                Now all that said, just my 2 cents, and I'm not kidding myself - Tannenbaum and Co. must have a plan or thought in place. Maybe they never got anything as high as a 4th this year, which would surprise me, but you never know.

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                • #68
                  I'm not going to read any of toonster's posts in here from now on so I don't think about it more and more and as a result, become pissed, being a Jets fan and all.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by toonsterwu View Post
                    btw, the more i think about it, the more i'd be pissed if I was a Jets fan. Even taking a 4th and a lesser conditional 2009 would be something, IMO, that would be more intriguing than this. Why? This was the odd year where on paper, there looks to be decent-solid 3-4 DL options in the midrounds. There should be real solid LB value as well in the midrounds. Same for DB. TE in the 4th? could be good. WR in the 4th? could be intriguing. For all the talk about the lack of a 1 in this WR class, that's actually pretty ridiculous, IMO. There's going to be a decent 1 in this class, may just be later in the year OL? there's intriguing in the midrounds as well. This is close to a make or break year for Clemens. Even a 4th might've found something intriguing.

                    Now all that said, just my 2 cents, and I'm not kidding myself - Tannenbaum and Co. must have a plan or thought in place. Maybe they never got anything as high as a 4th this year, which would surprise me, but you never know.

                    Oh, believe me, as a Jets fan, I haven't been this pissed about an offseason move since they signed Kevan Barlow. Vilma was (I guess the word was is apt at this point) my favorite Jets player and a trade like this has left me wondering if the team even wants to improve. Like Isiah Thomas, thinking these guys have a plan gives them too much credit. They're the Jets front office. ****ing up is what they do.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by thetedginnshow View Post
                      I'm not going to read any of toonster's posts in here from now on so I don't think about it more and more and as a result, become pissed, being a Jets fan and all.
                      This is a really pointless post that I'm going to make, but I doubt I'll get infracted for post-whoring. .. but I didn't know you were a Jets fan. For some reason I always thought you were a Seahawks fan.

                      Um, something on topic. Um ... um ... eh, I can't think of anything on topic. That said, I will say one thing about the Jets decision making. They've largely gone by the board, and I imagine, hopefully, that they've mocked scenarios out and so forth of what's available in the draft. Maybe their view of the DL class doesn't fit what my perception is, and maybe it's more inline with the original perception on the DL class (namely, that the 2nd tier was nonexistent basically).

                      That said, even if that's the case, this still befuddles me. Let's assume they could get a 4th. I mean, there's the chance of say, a Martin Rucker there. A 2nd TE would be nice. A Craig Stevens could there, a strong blocker that showed well at the combine and might be a more intriguing offensive weapon than previously thought. I mean, some of the Combine surprises, someone like Arman Shields could be there. A WR like Jerome Simpson is someone that absolutely tantalizes me, and he could be in the 4th. You move to OL, and a Breno Giacomini could be there. Kirk Barton could perhaps slide in at RT sooner than later. Brandon Keith, Franklin Dunbar, King Dunlap are all intriguing enough at that point. A whole bevy of OG's should be there. There were LB's that could pair well with Harris inside, say a Jon Goff. Edge options were a bit slim, but some existed.

                      In the end, maybe they didn't get anything near a 4th round pick this year. It's perfectly reasonable assumption actually. Teams can get quite hesistant on injuries, and it was clear Vilma was headed for a divorce. I will say that, even in a down year this past year, there wasn't anything from a personnel perspective that I think they could've done to really change things. Short of it is, I think they were headed in the right direction with Revis/Harris, and I liked the aggressiveness. Just a bit surprised that in such a huge year for their young QB, they didn't try to find an asset now, but maybe said asset didn't exist.

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                      • #71
                        Oh yeah. I just had to explain this to BF. I've always been a Jets fan. I just lived in Seattle for years to I know (or think I know) quite a bit about them, so I always commented on their stuff. Always read the Jets stuff, but never really talked about them until this year (maybe last, can't remember).
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                        • #72
                          Per John Clayton of ESPN:

                          The Saints are close to finishing a trade for Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma.
                          Pugnacity, testosterone, truculence, and belligerence.

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                          • #73
                            Damnit, just make it official already!
                            The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

                            “We know that no matter the adversity, be it the lockout, be it the suspension or be it a hurricane, our men will pull together and defend the honor of this city. We’ve shown we’ve been able to do that.” - Jabari Greer

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                            • #74
                              Jay Glazer confirmed it...so it has to be a done deal already.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Saints67 View Post
                                Jay Glazer confirmed it...so it has to be a done deal already.
                                Yeah, but until I see it up on NewOrleansSaints.com or NFL.com, I'm gonna hold off my judgment.
                                The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

                                “We know that no matter the adversity, be it the lockout, be it the suspension or be it a hurricane, our men will pull together and defend the honor of this city. We’ve shown we’ve been able to do that.” - Jabari Greer

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