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  • #31
    Originally posted by andyjo672 View Post
    For some reason I just get the feeling GMs make less of a difference in football than they do in baseball, especially with regards to talent evaluation and acquisition, so I don't know how big of a deal this is with the time of year thing.

    I could be completely wrong though...
    Never heard of Ernie Accorsi huh?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
      You are forgetting about the 2 most important aspects of football.

      Offensive and Defensive lines...both of which suck in Denver which is why they are up and down.
      Their interior o-line is still solid. You have to remember that they lost two starting o-lineman last year and then had Lepsis retire at the end of the year (he admitted that he probably shouldn't have played last year). They have Nalen and Hamilton coming back, and Holland proved to be a nice pickup. Not to mention Kuper and Myers also having experience starting now. Their tackles are not good though.

      On the d-line their DE's are pretty solid with Dumervil, Ekuban, Crowder, Moss, and Engleberger there. DT is not good though, but if they can pick up Robertson that would give them a pretty good starting duo in Thomas and Robertson with McKinley and probably a rookie backing them up.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by rascal View Post
        Their interior o-line is still solid. You have to remember that they lost two starting o-lineman last year and then had Lepsis retire at the end of the year (he admitted that he probably shouldn't have played last year). They have Nalen and Hamilton coming back, and Holland proved to be a nice pickup. Not to mention Kuper and Myers also having experience starting now. Their tackles are not good though.

        On the d-line their DE's are pretty solid with Dumervil, Ekuban, Crowder, Moss, and Engleberger there. DT is not good though, but if they can pick up Robertson that would give them a pretty good starting duo in Thomas and Robertson with McKinley and probably a rookie backing them up.
        Give me all the guys that you think will be good players simply because of experience all you want...

        Point remains the Denevr games I watched, their play in the trenches was awful, among the worst in the NFL if not THE worst.
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        • #34
          Look for the Broncos to promote Goodman to head GM (their head scout). I believe he was the driving force in bringing in Cutler, Moss, and Marshall.

          One of the reasons why he was fired was probably because he sent an email to a reporter at the end of the season complaining about some of the moves that were made. Klis, the reporter, never made it public till Sundquist was fired.

          Those frustrations came spilling out in an electronic message Sund- quist sent me Dec. 3, as yet another unsatisfying Broncos season unraveled.

          "I'm personally willing to stand up for the decisions that have been made, but understand I don't necessarily agree with them. The military taught me a lot about how to handle situations like that," Sundquist wrote, after the Broncos blew a road game to lowly Oakland that dropped their record to 5-7.

          Within 24 hours of the discouraging defeat, Sundquist fired off a lengthy, unsolicited e-mail. He shared the unenviable challenges of working for a football franchise ruled at the top by Shanahan, and the criticism always rolled downhill, falling on the head of a quarterback, defensive coordinator or general manager.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
            Give me all the guys that you think will be good players simply because of experience all you want...

            Point remains the Denevr games I watched, their play in the trenches was awful, among the worst in the NFL if not THE worst.
            I don't understand what you are saying in the first sentence.

            Among the worst if not the worst? It wasn't that bad but it was a decline compared to previous years. According to football outsiders there o-line ranked 13th run blocking and 14th pass blocking...hardly the worst. But it was a decline from the typical numbers we see, but again losing your starting guard (Hamilton) and center (Nalen) in addition to having your LT playing on one leg and your RT playing a new position it was learning experience across the board.

            Defensively their lines ranked 27th against the run and 19th against the pass. Obviously the d-line needs improvement, but they drafted three guys last year so they are trying to address it but it will take some time. But I think getting better LBs (which IMO they have a better group this year than last year) and possibly Robertson will help their performance.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Number 10 View Post
              Point remains the Denevr games I watched, their play in the trenches was awful, among the worst in the NFL if not THE worst.
              Our OL was bad, but we saw worse last year (e.g. KC's OL at Denver... ugly stuff for Chiefs fans).

              I should probably take the 5th on the DL, though. Dumervil flashed plenty in the passing game, but still got killed by the run. We probably had the worst DT unit in the league. Engleberger as a starting DE? Ouch.

              With all the young guys, the potential for improvement is certainly there. However, I don't see one guy on the entire DL who you could call "solid". That worries me...

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              • #37
                Coach Shananhan might be in a pretty tough spot by the end of this year. Even though there isn't a huge groundswell to fire him there's an undercurrent developing among fans. I've read a lot of, "if they have another losing year/don't make the playoffs/etc" next year then they should fire him. Problem is that the Broncos have finally decided to try and build with young players and that might take a couple years. They might be improving but not have it show in the win column this year. I'm a bit concerned we'll start over when we're already in the middle of starting over...

                Shanahan's proven that when things come together he can do special things with a team. That's more than the majority of coaches in the NFL have done. As a fan, I hope the Broncos win the SB every year but I think we're probably two or three years away no matter who the coach is...

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