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  • #91
    Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
    I couldn't disagree more.
    yippee... i get to argue with someone who's likely barely seen foster or bell play. this should be fun.

    Can you honestly tell me that George Foster isn't an upgrade over what the Lions currently have at RT? No... you cannot.
    which has what, exactly, to do with anything i said? i said that certain people were making it sounds as if the lions were getting a bunch of studs for nothing from denver. which is stupid. regardless...

    As much as you may think that Foster is a "back-up linemen" (although he started 45 of a possible 48 games for the Broncos over the last three years... on an offensive line that is known to turn any player into a 1,000+ yard back)
    which he was, for the second half of this season. oh wait, except for when injuries forced him back into the starting line-up. but yeah, shanny just pulled him for fun at mid-season then plugged him back in because he's actually an incredible RT. i must've missed where meadows injury left us with no viable alternative.

    Foster is a definate upgrade and will improve the unit GREATLY.
    wonderful. your o-line was a joke. the fact that a guy we would have cut improves it does not make this some incredible swindle by matt millen. it means your o-line was pathetic and likely could've been similarly improved by several guys already on the market.

    That gives the Lions a potential line of Backus-[---]-Raiola-Woody-Foster, which is a solid line... and much improved from last year, when the Lions' offense actually performed well (with names such as Frank Davis, Jon Scott, Stephen Peterman and Rick DeMulling *starting* games for the Lions).
    hooray. again, the fact that your o-line sucks does not mean you nabbed a superstar for nothing from denver (the whole point of my comment).

    This also changes their focus for the draft. Now that they've filled one hole, they can focus on improving other areas.
    again, you're arguing irrelevant material.

    Now, onto Bell. With KJones out, Bell was the PERFECT pick-up for the Lions. They could've spent a draft pick on a young back (which would leave them two young, unproven backs), or gotten rid of one of the last "trash" pieces of the old Lions to improve two areas of need. Bell will thrive in Martz' offense... and will give the Lions a powerful 1-2 punch when Jones is healthy.
    what tatum bell have you been watching that you think will do anything anywhere near "thrive" in martz's system? he doesn't catch particularly well. he's injury prone. he fumbles every time you give him the ball in a key situation. and none of that had to do with the fact that he has very little vision. regardless.

    Bly. When he plays in a system that fits his talents, he is a playmaker. You MIGHT have forgotten his previous seasons... but he had great numbers and deserved his spots in those Pro Bowls. Paired with Bailey, they will form a great CB duo... you won't want to throw to one but will get picked throwing to the other.
    deltha o'neal had great stats, too. and he also got burned twice for every pick he had in his pro bowl season in denver. i've learned to look past the pretty numbers. further, from what i've heard, bly is a similar player. he'll gamble and come up big, or gamble and get burned badly. he's a starting CB in the league, but i think anyone who believes he's made our pass defense astronomically better is drinking some seriously strong kool-aid.

    You can pretend that this trade was simply a "convenicence", but you will be proven wrong. The Broncos secondary will be much improved with Bly and the Lions offense will be much improved with Bell/Foster.
    how was it anything but when ALL THREE players were likely cut? again, bly does not, in my mind, represent a massive upgrade over foxworth. tatum bell isn't even an expected starter. and george foster was awful here.

    i'm not going to say all three will be worthless players next year, but past history can't lead you to many other conclusions about bell and foster, and past history doesn't show me anything special in bly.

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    • #92
      It's a pretty even trade, which you can tell from both sides thinking they clearly got the better of it.

      Denver fans, let me tell you something. Bly will get you a handful of picks and may take a couple to the house, but believe me, when you see him get torched by 4 or 5 yards on a fly pattern for a TD, or let his man catch a ball in front of him and miss the tackle letting him go for a huge gain, or give up 8 catches for 100+ yards to a #2 receiver, then you will know that you didn't get what you thought you were getting. Bly has always done this, even his first year or two here. He will likely be better in a better overall secondary, but he not a shut down corner. Not even close.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by njx9 View Post
        yippee... i get to argue with someone who's likely barely seen foster or bell play. this should be fun.



        which has what, exactly, to do with anything i said? i said that certain people were making it sounds as if the lions were getting a bunch of studs for nothing from denver. which is stupid. regardless...



        which he was, for the second half of this season. oh wait, except for when injuries forced him back into the starting line-up. but yeah, shanny just pulled him for fun at mid-season then plugged him back in because he's actually an incredible RT. i must've missed where meadows injury left us with no viable alternative.



        wonderful. your o-line was a joke. the fact that a guy we would have cut improves it does not make this some incredible swindle by matt millen. it means your o-line was pathetic and likely could've been similarly improved by several guys already on the market.



        hooray. again, the fact that your o-line sucks does not mean you nabbed a superstar for nothing from denver (the whole point of my comment).



        again, you're arguing irrelevant material.



        what tatum bell have you been watching that you think will do anything anywhere near "thrive" in martz's system? he doesn't catch particularly well. he's injury prone. he fumbles every time you give him the ball in a key situation. and none of that had to do with the fact that he has very little vision. regardless.



        deltha o'neal had great stats, too. and he also got burned twice for every pick he had in his pro bowl season in denver. i've learned to look past the pretty numbers. further, from what i've heard, bly is a similar player. he'll gamble and come up big, or gamble and get burned badly. he's a starting CB in the league, but i think anyone who believes he's made our pass defense astronomically better is drinking some seriously strong kool-aid.



        how was it anything but when ALL THREE players were likely cut? again, bly does not, in my mind, represent a massive upgrade over foxworth. tatum bell isn't even an expected starter. and george foster was awful here.

        i'm not going to say all three will be worthless players next year, but past history can't lead you to many other conclusions about bell and foster, and past history doesn't show me anything special in bly.
        I'm not going to waste time arguing opinions or against your ego. Foster WAS a starter for the Broncos for quite some time... and did it when Denver made "anyone a 1,000+ back". He started each game for two years for that OLine... if he played "awful" in Denver, why do I feel he would've been replaced long ago? Interesting...

        You "look past the pretty numbers"... and right to your worthless opinions. The facts are there: in a system that Bly can play in, he's a Pro Bowl corner; Foster constantly played on an OLine known for its dominance; and Bell is a talented, young back that has a career 4.9 average yards per carry and will complement the Lions' offense... with and without Jones. Each player will improve their new team, which is all that really matters.

        So, no... this trade was not just a "trade of convenience"... it was a great move by both teams.
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        • #94
          As much as I hate Denver I have to give it up they make moves.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
            I'm not going to waste time arguing opinions or against your ego. Foster WAS a starter for the Broncos for quite some time... and did it when Denver made "anyone a 1,000+ back". He started each game for two years for that OLine... if he played "awful" in Denver, why do I feel he would've been replaced long ago? Interesting...

            You "look past the pretty numbers"... and right to your worthless opinions. The facts are there: in a system that Bly can play in, he's a Pro Bowl corner; Foster constantly played on an OLine known for its dominance; and Bell is a talented, young back that has a career 4.9 average yards per carry and will complement the Lions' offense... with and without Jones. Each player will improve their new team, which is all that really matters.

            So, no... this trade was not just a "trade of convenience"... it was a great move by both teams.
            arguing with my "ego" because i've actually, you know, watched two of the players? nice cop out. i can't imagine why foster was starting his second and third year in the league. maybe because he was a first round pick and the guy who'd started before him was ephraim salaam? no, i'm wrong. it must've been because he was stellar and i'm just too blind/stupid to see what you clearly saw in him by not watching him play. excellent analysis. maybe sometime you'll stop by the broncos board and tell me all about a team you don't watch and even better, you'll base it off a single statistic.

            but then, jake plummer must be an utterly amazing starting quarterback, given that he started all but 5 games he could've started since he got to denver.

            you're "argument" essentially boils down to yelling "your opinions suck!!! i have stats!!!! hahahaha!!!! you're opinion is worthless solely because i say it is!!!!"

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            • #96
              Bly's probably going to rack up the interceptions this season now that he's the "weak link" out of the two CB's. He is great at breaking up plays so he'll be interesting to watch this season.

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              • #97
                TacticaLion: Ephraim Salaam was a starter for the Broncos offensive line for a few years, and he's one of the worst offensive linemen I've ever seen. The Broncos keep lineman that they like for awhile (Nalen, Lepsis, etc).

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                  TacticaLion: Ephraim Salaam was a starter for the Broncos offensive line for a few years, and he's one of the worst offensive linemen I've ever seen. The Broncos keep lineman that they like for awhile (Nalen, Lepsis, etc).
                  I'm just suprised that a team can do what Denver has done (make a 1,000+ yard rusher out of anyone) yet the players on the offensive line aren't credited. He started 45 of 48 games for that unit, yet njx9 refers to him as a "back-up" and that he's not a "quality" player.

                  Whatever.

                  Originally posted by njx9
                  you're "argument" essentially boils down to yelling "your opinions suck!!! i have stats!!!! hahahaha!!!! you're opinion is worthless solely because i say it is!!!!"
                  That may be true, but having stats/a logical reason for something holds more weight than saying "I know more than you about everything, so you're wrong".

                  njx9 is the Mel Kiper of NFLDC.com (pre-combine)... without the hair and useful information. He just says **** to get attention.
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                  • #99
                    bb's own, bailey and bly

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                    • Id like a Denver fans opinion. Does this trade open up trading routes for possibly Julius Jones (I dunno if hes on the block or not, but i heard a rumor that he was) or Willis McGahee?
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                      • Originally posted by Bearsfan123 View Post
                        Id like a Denver fans opinion. Does this trade open up trading routes for possibly Julius Jones (I dunno if hes on the block or not, but i heard a rumor that he was) or Willis McGahee?
                        also thomas jones and jamal lewis


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                        • Originally posted by TacticaLion View Post
                          That may be true, but having stats/a logical reason for something holds more weight than saying "I know more than you about everything, so you're wrong".
                          i have never implied that i know more than you about anything other than the broncos as a team, which is indisputable fact. again, you're quoting a single statistic, games started, and when i quote it back in a different context, you can't even fabricate a response, so you try to ignore it. again, denver has made the playoffs 3/4 years in which plummer has started all but 5 games (and only missed in the season he didn't start all 16). by your bizarre logic, that makes him one of the best qb's in the league. again, don't selectively use moronic stats and then try to ignore them when they don't fit.

                          again, ephraim salaam started 30/30 games for two years in denver in which clinton portis ran for 1500 yards and about 1600 yards, both better totals than in any season foster manned the position. by your logic, not only is salaam a better RT than foster, he's also one of the best RTs in the league. again, verifiably untrue.

                          i have no idea what you want me to point out here. he was BENCHED this season. he only played because meadows was hurt and we had no viable back-up. get that through your thick head. he was a back up for all intents and purposes this season. or just keep quoting starts as if it's the only meaningful fact that anyone has brought to this argument even though you refuse to respond to a single argument using your precious stat in which it's clearly being misued in the exact same context.

                          we won't even mention bell again, because you seem to think a 4.9 yard per carry average is far more important than being benched for fumbling in crucial situations and being injury prone. but hey, what do i know. i mean, i only WATCHED the guys. you quoted STATS.

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                          • Denver will get one of macgahhe,lewis ,green or jones imo. I also think we get graham which will also bolster the run game.
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                            • Originally posted by goblue8888 View Post
                              We will get one of macgahhe,lewis ,green or jones imo. I also think we get graham which will also bolster the run game.
                              who is we? denver? if so, i think you're deluded.

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                              • Originally posted by njx9 View Post
                                who is we? denver? if so, i think you're deluded.
                                No i'am not everyone says we dont have cap space but every year they say that and we still sign people or trade for them.

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