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Originally posted by Shockey+Manning=ShockingView Post
I'd toss our name there. Really since 2004 our o-line has gotten better and better, not to mention we are deep AND versatile. But I do agree speed guys can get the best of David D. David D got his jock handed to him in the superbowl. Everytime I looked he was getting his butt shoved back or just beat by Thomas.
If I had to change something I would get a LT and move David D back or draft a better LG than Rich S. and this can help us when we run 38 power.
Yeah, I definitely agree. Im curious to see if we slide Whimper in at LT this year or if we keep our formula we have right now.
Its not funny, its debatable, the Bills OL isn't that great. Jets potentially can be better, I say the Pats have the best OL in the division still. They played great besides the SB. Bills all they have really is Peters, everyone else is average. Jets have 2 above average/stud O-linemen right now in Faneca and Mangold. And Brick has the potential to be a stud O-linemen/ above average player.
LOL, keep talking out of your ass. Peters was a Pro-Bowler and Dockery lived up to the contract he got. So did Langston Walker. Brad Butler played surprisingly well in his first season at RG. Fowler is serviceable but can be upgraded. Peters is elite, Dockery is great, Walker is above average, Butler is slightly above average, Fowler is average.
You have to factor in that the Jets O-Line has never played together too. 2 new starters is a big change for an O-Line. I'd take the Bills line all day over the Jets. Without a consistent LT, Clemens won't be able to get comfortable in the pocket. 13.5 sacks is a lot to give up in one year.
You know I just typed two paragraphs about how statistics for O-Lines can be extremely deceiving. Light is no Thomas, and Steinbach isn't any worse than Mankins. New England has a sick line no doubt, but a lot of that is scheme and Tom Brady's release too.
Statistics are, what they are, my friend.
When it comes down to it, you are comparing two top 3-7 offensive lines in both the pass and run game.
Of course protection schemes and run patterns matter, however, the same can hold true for the Browns line as well.
On the left side, as I said...Thomas and Steinbach have the name value, but their side wasn't as productive as was NE and even INDY from that side...regardless of who the names are.
Statistics, in their singular form can be very misleading, however, being able to combine statistics and simply observing often leads to the end result.
I'd take the OL of NE and INDY over any other team. NE found a hole in their line during the Super Bowl, but throughout the season, they were simply the best. INDY wasn't far off...and, if you are judging Thomas, don't forget Ugoh was actually better than Thomas last year. Find a rookie who allowed only 1 sack while committing only 1 penalty all year on the left side like Ugoh, and you have yourself a cookie (Thomas had 7 penalties and 4.5 sacks) while having a greater ypc than Thomas in runs behind him.
However, like I said, breaking them down, they are incredibly even...Cleveland's just has more upside. Although, Ugoh has elite upside, just as much as Joe Thomas.
Ugoh did miss 5 or 6 games last season. But he and Thomas are going to make annual trips to Honolulu imo, they are the future and it doesn't look like there's anyone in the AFC who will Ogden his overrated ass to the Pro Bowl. Then again Matt Light was somehow voted to the All-Pro team last year, so who knows.
Pugnacity, testosterone, truculence, and belligerence.
Wow talk about overrating. The Jets were one of the worst O-lines in the league last year. Two signings does nothing to make this unit top 5. Mangold is a stud but Ferguson didn't play as well as he did as a rookie. He needs to get better. Didn't see a whole lot of Faneca last year but many Pitt fans seem to think he has lost something. Could be he wasn't surrounded with the talent he had been in the past. If he hasn't lost something, you have got yourself an all pro. Not crazy about Woody. Has some versatility but is average in my opinion. Plus O-lines need time to work as a unit together. If a Jets fan is expecting a top 5 O-line next season, they are going to be dissapointed.