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  • #46
    Originally posted by Renji View Post
    so u can still push them down i.e.?
    I believe that when the player is coming at you, you can push the back of the helmet or top if they lower their head, or stiff arm to the chest.

    It's not that their outlawing stiff arms, they just don't want injuries to the defensive players.

    I know Emmitt Smith was a pretty bad stiff-arm facemasker.. I remember watching a Thanksgiving game where he grabbed a facemask and drug the guy with him an additional 10 yards while twisting his head non-stop.


    I think people are overreacting, it's not the death of the stiffarm, just the death of facemasking both sides of the ball.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
      Usually, a runner stiff arms a defender in the face because the defender leapt at the runner and is leading with his helmet and the stiff arm is the only defense. So if runners aren't allowed to defend themselves from this, then I assume we're going to see an increase in Spearing calls against the defense.
      So if Brandon Jacobs is running down some 5'9 180lb CB, he can't get pulled down by his facemask, but the runner can grab his facemask and twist it?

      I mean, every position is held to the illegal hands to the face rule.. except RB's. Until now.

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      • #48
        i agree with the twisting thing, and definately if they stick their fingers in the facemask, idk if its already a rule but im pretty sure it is. Its not fair because a player can tackle right when their head is being twisted all over. but idk about pushing a player to the ground being a penalty, its a physical sport, lets keep it that way.

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        • #49
          I do agree with the majority that touchin, not twisting or grabbing, should be allowed.
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          • #50
            ahem....

            If this rule goes through you will see guys change how they hand out their stiff arms, i.e. players will be aiming for defenders chest/shoulder pads. IMO those are generally the best stiff arms anyways.....I also think that RB's will only be penalized when its a particularly vicious stiff arm to the head.

            As long as this rule is applied and enforced properly I don't have a problem with it.

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            • #51
              im a big fan of the stiff arm too and its my best move i think when im playing football but the way i see it as long as its a flat hand to the face it should be fine. as long as you dont grab or punch a dude across the face mask it should be fine. For fairness dont the defensive lineman club people across the head i think a big guy like that could kill someone hitting people like they do. but after all is said and done its football players know what their getting their selves into and their being paid big bucks just to play football they got pads on let them play

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              • #52
                Originally posted by J-Hype View Post
                im a big fan of the stiff arm too and its my best move i think when im playing football but the way i see it as long as its a flat hand to the face it should be fine. as long as you dont grab or punch a dude across the face mask it should be fine. For fairness dont the defensive lineman club people across the head i think a big guy like that could kill someone hitting people like they do. but after all is said and done its football players know what their getting their selves into and their being paid big bucks just to play football they got pads on let them play

                Offensive Lineman, Defense as a whole can not touch an opposing players face/helmet. There's an "Illegal Hands to the face" or "Facemasking" when a player does this.

                Offensive Skills positions are the only ones allowed to attack the face of an opposing player. I could go either way, keep the stiff arms and let everyone tackle by the facemask, or outlaw it all together.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck View Post
                  Something about this strikes me as wrong. The facemask rule made sense, because tackling high or twisting a players neck could be incredibly dangerous (Dick Lane proved that). However, most tacklers lead with their hardhat, and making any stiff arm to the head a potential penalty would change a lot of things.

                  In the end, a defender can cause way more damage in stopping a player and bringing him to the ground by his facemask. All an offensive player is trying to do is get away.
                  This is true, its not like tey are bringing them down with it or holding on for any extended period of time as they are trying to get away from the tackler and want to be in contact with him as little as possible.


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                  • #54
                    I wonder if they'll call it the Marion Barber rule


                    Its going to be difficult to enforce cause alot of smaller CBs and LBs lead with their helmet anyway and sometimes there's nowhere else to land a stiff arm. Its still a better rule change than the no pushout clause

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by my future me View Post
                      I wonder if they'll call it the Marion Barber rule


                      Its going to be difficult to enforce cause alot of smaller CBs and LBs lead with their helmet anyway and sometimes there's nowhere else to land a stiff arm. Its still a better rule change than the no pushout clause
                      The change regarding pushouts is an awesome change, give some of the rules back to the defense. Make the receivers get their feet in. I'll admit I have a bias considering I am a DB, but the force out rule was just ridiculous.
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                      • #56
                        Hey I understand that it was inconsistent. But without the pushout rule then the field becomes much to narrow. Anybody lining up within 5 yards of the outofbounds marker has to be running an in or a skinny post cause there's not enough room for an out. Any QB that specializes in touch passes will be hurt by this. Theoretically, you can carry a WR out of bounds because he never establishes posession on the field.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by my future me View Post
                          Hey I understand that it was inconsistent. But without the pushout rule then the field becomes much to narrow. Anybody lining up within 5 yards of the outofbounds marker has to be running an in or a skinny post cause there's not enough room for an out. Any QB that specializes in touch passes will be hurt by this. Theoretically, you can carry a WR out of bounds because he never establishes posession on the field.
                          College doesn't have the force out. Out of bounds should be out of bounds, period.
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                          • #58
                            Its impossible to compare the throwing windows, speed of the game, and DBs awareness, strength, and ability in the NFL to that of the college game. I completely understand why the NFL changed the rule, but I'd rather have that rule (universally enforced) than not have the rule at all.

                            If the NFL wants to limit the number of judgement calls made during a game, they really need to examine the inconsistency of foward progress

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                            • #59
                              Bad idea. Although. I don't think A.D. stiff armed that much.
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