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  • Originally posted by TheGreatEscape View Post
    Jared Allen quarelled with his team and got a first, moss quarelled with the Vikings and got a first, 85 has quarelled with bengals and when Thomas and Kelly don't dominate as rookies Snyder will give the bengals a first for him. Shockey is a top flight tight end one of the best blockers of any TE who doesn't scare you as a receiver, he's worth a first rounder to the giants.
    And, he's also coming off a broken leg.
    The whole world loves neophyte athletic tight end Jimmy Graham from Miami with the 95th pick. "Best pick in the draft,'' one AFC coach told me. "Give him time, and in that offense, he'll be better than [Jeremy] Shockey by the start of next year.''

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    • Originally posted by Flyboy View Post
      And, he's also coming off a broken leg.
      so it really all depends on how he looks in preseason thru week 4 (trading deadline)

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      • Originally posted by Flyboy View Post
        And, he's also coming off a broken leg.
        breaking a leg isn't a big problem. it's soft tissue injuries that are the career killers.

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        • Originally posted by Shockey+Manning=Shocking View Post
          GS,

          He can be used alot more in the passing game. Problem is we basically use Shockey in blocking for our bread and butter run play. He actually is vital for it, and when he went down our running game, mainly Jacobs had issues running power concept because Boss had trouble sealing the edge.

          But in terms of passing attack, he def. could have been used more like he was under Payton. More TE screens and basically getting the ball in his hands so he can do stuff. Now it's a credit to Shockey that he still had good stats even though other guys on this team got fed the ball. We throw to everyone on our offense, but we certainly have room to get him involved even more than we are.
          Very good point. This is how I see as well and I am Saints fan.

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          • Originally posted by BaLLiN72 View Post
            I think Shockey would stop being an assclown if he was traded to Payton. Brees is a more established QB than Eli and a leader, Payton brought him in and Shockey should respect that and he was also his coach in his best year.
            I agree. Payton and Shockey, each, have always spoken glowingly of one another. I remember when the Saints hired Payton and Shockey was on NFL Network saying that Payton was the best coaching hire that year and how much Payton helped him develop as a player. Some of my fellow Saints fans--not necessarily those in this thread but those on Saintsreport.com--worry about Shockey becoming a team cancer. I think we have a strong lockerroom. Even more, I just think that Shockey would be very happy playing for Payton again, especially since Payton would do his best to maximize the talents that Shockey brings to the table.

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            • Originally posted by GermanSaint View Post
              you guys are crazy.... no first rounder for a guy that quarreled with his organization
              its not an nfl-standard price right now
              He didn't fight with us, and if he did it's behind the scenes not like Chad Johnson, briggs, or even TO wanting out. He has Rosenhaus as an agent as well, and still managed to keep it in house in the BIGGEST media market in the league. Call Shockey what you want, but that's commendable as of now. Who knows if it gets worse but so far I have no problem with how he has handled it. Mind you this is supposed to be an emotional guy, fiery guy, who is keeping this all on the dl.

              I am not saying you guys would give up a first, but I'd be suprised if you guys can get him for less now. If we didn't want the 40th pick, we sure as well aren't going to take anything less, unless you guys package more picks or someone we need.

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              • I really think the Giants will keep him around another year.

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                • Originally posted by SaintsFanForLife View Post
                  I really think the Giants will keep him around another year.
                  Honestly I think the same thing. I would have guessed he would have traded during the draft. Now that he isn't and the fact your second round pick is tied with the Jets and Vilma, I don't see a deal working out.

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                  • so since in theory the 2nd round through 4th round picks (on of them ) have to be backed up for the vilma trade , that leaves the first round pick. that could be 1 to 32 at this moment.

                    i tell you something if the deal comes up , and loomis send the first rounder (what i strongly doubt ) and the saints play a mediocre to bad season again , they created a big monster. no play offs , no first rounder and a (probably) bad defense again.

                    again , i doubt the first rounder . we are not a receiving TE away from a super bowl. but a good defense.

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                    • Originally posted by GermanSaint View Post
                      so since in theory the 2nd round through 4th round picks (on of them ) have to be backed up for the vilma trade , that leaves the first round pick. that could be 1 to 32 at this moment.

                      i tell you something if the deal comes up , and loomis send the first rounder (what i strongly doubt ) and the saints play a mediocre to bad season again , they created a big monster. no play offs , no first rounder and a (probably) bad defense again.

                      again , i doubt the first rounder . we are not a receiving TE away from a super bowl. but a good defense.

                      That may be the case with you guys, but apparently from reports your HC is thinking otherwise. Now it depends on how much pull he has with your GM.

                      But that's pretty much my overall point is that your picks have to be ready fo the Vilma deal, which leaves X amount of picks left, including a first round pick. Now because we turned down the 40th pick was already set in stone, it would have to be a better deal than 40th pick overall. So that's what I am saying. I don't think the deal would go through now, just because of it.

                      I could be wrong, but I would have thought if he was to be traded this past draft was the ideal time to do it. Once you guys made your pick, it pretty much meant he is not going to be dealt for that value, at least to you guys. He could go somewhere else if another team offers us something good. But again, I don't see him going anywhere.

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