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  • Originally posted by Shockey+Manning=Shocking View Post
    O I know, but in this case the stats fit. But yea he can't shed blocks, and in the run game is invisible, hence the low tackle #s he puts up. In my opinion he is one of the most overrated DEs in the game today. He is by no means a complete DE. I consider him a very, very good pass rushing specialist, but he is just that a specialist. If I am creating a team, and want a DE who is complete, can stop the run, and get his sacks, Freeny would not be anywhere near the top of that list.

    2006 was his best season from a sack point of view, and had only 34 TOTAL tackles... That's piss poor in my opinion!

    In my opinion I consider complete DEs in the game as

    Osi
    Cole
    Allen
    Peppers
    Mario Williams
    Strahan
    Kearny
    Kampman
    Hali

    and I am sure I am missing alot of others, but off the top of my head these guys come to mind.
    You are definately missing both Kyle Vandenbosh and Dwight Freeney. Freeney is looked at as sometimes one-dimensional, but thats only because he is asked to simply go after the QB. If they told him to stop the run he could do that very well as well.
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    • Originally posted by indyfan1985 View Post
      You are definately missing both Kyle Vandenbosh and Dwight Freeney. Freeney is looked at as sometimes one-dimensional, but thats only because he is asked to simply go after the QB. If they told him to stop the run he could do that very well as well.
      NO coach says to a player just rush the QB, but other then that, you don't have to stop the run. If that was the case the player would be a true specialist, and/or wouldn't make the roster because someone else who can do both equally well would take his spot. So that saying the coaching staff doesn't ask him to do that is far fetched.

      Fact is Freeny is not strong in shedding blocks and stopping the run. He always has his ears pinned back, and can be neutralized by o-linemen when running the ball.

      I never respected Freeny from a complete DE standpoint. Amazing passrushing specialist, but when someone wants to talk complete DEs in the NFL, who truly are the best. Freeny isn't even in the conversation. The guys I mentioned previously all come to my mind before Freeny. However, if the conversation is pass rushing DEs who are a nightmare, I'd 100% put Freeny up there. But to me the DE position is more then just one element of passrushing, it's a component of passrushing and stopping the run. Any DE who can do both in my opinion deserves alot of respect at the NFL level for doing both and being that complete player.

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      • Originally posted by indyfan1985 View Post
        You are definately missing both Kyle Vandenbosh and Dwight Freeney. Freeney is looked at as sometimes one-dimensional, but thats only because he is asked to simply go after the QB. If they told him to stop the run he could do that very well as well.
        u obviously are just talking out of ur ass, no offense. To think that he has zero responsibility as far as stopping the run is just rediculous, and to just assume that, well, if he were to do it, he would obviously be very good at it, is obviously not a valid response and given his size and the fact that he hasn't shown any ability doing it so far, and apparently 'just isn't asked to do it' i highly doubt that he suddenly would excel at it.

        i'm not denying that he is told to get after the QB first and foremost, but he's not the only player who gets told to 'get to the QB', but other players are much more effective stopping the run as well. What would be the point of putting a guy out there if u don't want him to stop the run? that just doesn't make sense and u are out to lunch on the topic IMO just defening a colt becuase he's a colt


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        • Freeney's primary task is getting pressure and he's great at it but he's really a one trick pony and lacks versatility.

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          • Originally posted by TheGreatEscape View Post
            Freeney's primary task is getting pressure and he's great at it but he's really a one trick pony and lacks versatility.
            Yup.. And he is damn good at the one trick he can do, but to say his name with the other complete DES in the game is disgracing the other complete DEs in the league.

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            • Freeney has actually shaped up considerably against the run the last three seasons or so. He won't be splitting double teams and making tackles, but he's gotten better at holding his position and is actually quite adept at disrupting a runners route, even if he doesn't actually make the play.

              In the Tampa 2, his assignment on almost every play is to make it towards the quarterback as fast as possible, so it's a bit hard to fault him for being caught out of position on running plays. Back in 2005, when Freeney was getting great sack numbers, he was easily good enough against the run to be considered one of the very best defensive ends in the league. Without that sack production, he shouldn't be in the conversation though.

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              • Originally posted by Paranoidmoonduck View Post
                Freeney has actually shaped up considerably against the run the last three seasons or so. He won't be splitting double teams and making tackles, but he's gotten better at holding his position and is actually quite adept at disrupting a runners route, even if he doesn't actually make the play.

                In the Tampa 2, his assignment on almost every play is to make it towards the quarterback as fast as possible, so it's a bit hard to fault him for being caught out of position on running plays. Back in 2005, when Freeney was getting great sack numbers, he was easily good enough against the run to be considered one of the very best defensive ends in the league. Without that sack production, he shouldn't be in the conversation though.
                Well in a tampa 2, I see it as a cover 3 basically. Two safties and a MLB traditionally dropping back, while the other two Lbs are all spot dropping. So while the front 4 has to be good to get pressure on the QB, which he is doing very, very, very, very well, he has to be equally good against the run, especially since the system calls for undersized fast players. You don't want the RB consistently getting in the 2nd level wearing your LBs out. You do that and now in the passing game things open up.

                But there is no reason why his tackle count should be so low, yet the media dubs him as such a sick player. In my mind he is a sick passrushing specialist, but when you talk elite complete DEs, I just don't think of him.

                My guys are the ones listed below in no order:

                Strahan
                Williams
                Kearny
                Osi
                Cole
                Allen
                Kampman
                Peppers
                and I am sure I am missing others, but I listed them all in a previous post. But I considered these DEs complete DEs, and studs. Highly respect them!

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