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  • #46
    Originally posted by yo123 View Post
    We aren't talking about last year. We're talking about this year. We weren't elite because of our lack of a pass rush, which we now have.
    So the Vikings might be as good as the Packers defensively, are almost assuredly worse offensively, and are unproven overall yet they are the favourites to win the division?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Crickett View Post
      Sorry, I quoted the wrong post.



      If the Packers are a .500 team without a hall of fame one of the greatest of all time quarterbacks behind center, they need to have some sort of glaring weakness on their roster somewhere. I want to know where that is. Okay, since I know they don't actually have one, I'd actually like to know where yo thinks it is. So I can laugh.


      Btw, "unproven" and "proven to be bad" doesn't make two QB situations even.

      As of now you have a weakness on offense. What has Aaron Rodgers proven? Nothing. No, one game does not count. Is Ryan Grant for real? I tend to think so, but Packers fans seem a little too convinced after one half of a season.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Duster View Post
        So the Vikings might be as good as the Packers defensively, are almost assuredly worse offensively, and are unproven overall yet they are the favourites to win the division?
        They are better defensively. If Tavaris Jackson kept them off the field for more than 2 minutes at a time last year you would have seen that.

        But yeah, Paper champs as of now.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by yo123 View Post
          As of now you have a weakness on offense. What has Aaron Rodgers proven? Nothing. No, one game does not count.
          And thats going to be enough with the surrounding cast to cost the Packers five games?

          Oh, and why doesn't the one game where we actually got to see Aaron Rodgers play count?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by GB12 View Post
            This guy is obviously off, however; ever since the Vikings made that trade Vikings fans have been acting like they're the Patriots. Very annoying.
            What the hell are you talking about. All Vikings fans claim is he will make the defense much better. It is Packer fans who act like blind homers and claim they will win the Superbowl every year.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Crickett View Post
              Really?

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              Please, point to one and tell me where the Packers are weak.
              DB -- Charles Woodson and Al Harris were among the worst in the league on yards per completion... However they will continue to be overhyped as one of the best CB tandems in the league.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Duster View Post
                They looked pretty good with Rodgers at the helm in the Dallas game. All Rodgers needs to do is throw short passes and not make mistakes, just like Favre did all last season.

                You're right, AD is a great player and if healthy gives some offence some legitimacy. Unfortunately, Jackson is probably the worst starting quarterback in the league, the offensive line can't pass block, and the receivers are mediocre at best. Not sure how that translates to being the "team to beat", but OK.

                Green Bay's defence is just as good, if not better than the Vikings.
                Biggest myth of last season. Dallas had a game plan for Favre (which was working to perfection) and weren't prepared for his mobility. Furthermore, if you go back and watch the game, Greg Jennings and Donald Driver would receive little 5 yards passes and turn them into huge YAC on Dallas' loser secondary players (Jacque Reeves, Nate Jones) AND the Packers comeback almost never materialized but T.O. literally gave the biggest gift interception of the season to Al Harris instead of scoring the dagger in the heart TD to seal the game.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
                  DB -- Charles Woodson and Al Harris were among the worst in the league on yards per completion... However they will continue to be overhyped as one of the best CB tandems in the league.
                  I would like to see the stats on this to back it up... instead of you just throwning random stuff out there with nothing to prove it.

                  Sick Sig By BoneKrusher

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by PackerLegend View Post
                    I would like to see the stats on this to back it up... instead of you just throwning random stuff out there with nothing to prove it.
                    ESPN insider article posted by KC Joyner. Anyone on here with Insider will confirm this. It was one of the more recent articles he has posted. I also saw a website where the chart was poster, Ill see if I can still find it...

                    http://dcfanatic.com/2008/06/07/kc-j...last-year.aspx

                    One of the worst as far as Yards per attempt in the league. So while the defense may be good, there is some merit to the argument that these guys aren't all they are cracked up to be. A strong pass rush can hide a lot of things.

                    this was specifically said about Al Harris -- "Al Harris/Charles Woodson: Harris landed a starting spot in the Pro Bowl, and Woodson had a lot of support for a Hawaii trip as well, but their combined totals placed them 27th in this category. Most of that showing was the result of Harris' 9.7 YPA, a number that begs the question as to why he was given that starting Pro Bowl spot in the first place."

                    So maybe woodson is Ok and I've heard many packer fans say he is the better of the two, which should be the case given how severely overhyped al harris is.
                    Last edited by Burns336; 07-02-2008, 04:40 PM.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
                      Biggest myth of last season. Dallas had a game plan for Favre (which was working to perfection) and weren't prepared for his mobility. Furthermore, if you go back and watch the game, Greg Jennings and Donald Driver would receive little 5 yards passes and turn them into huge YAC on Dallas' loser secondary players (Jacque Reeves, Nate Jones) AND the Packers comeback almost never materialized but T.O. literally gave the biggest gift interception of the season to Al Harris instead of scoring the dagger in the heart TD to seal the game.
                      A gift?? Do you remember earlier in the game when Al ripped the ball right out of T.O's arms and stayed in bounds. Yet for no reason or a very bad reason at that the refs gave the Cowboys a gift and let them keep the ball.
                      Last edited by PackerLegend; 07-02-2008, 04:35 PM.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
                        What the hell are you talking about. All Vikings fans claim is he will make the defense much better. It is Packer fans who act like blind homers and claim they will win the Superbowl every year.
                        um, where was I during all this blind homerism??? I dont remember anyone on here claiming super bowl bound the year after we went 4-12. I also didnt see many Packer fans claiming Super Bowl before last season. I havent seen anyone predicting an Aaron Rodgers Super Bowl run this year. Did we think we would win the Super Bowl in years of Favre's prime? Yes, and I can see how that can be seen as homerism i guess but it's not like we didnt have good teams or anything, but I havent seen that many Packer super bowl picks the last few years. Yeah, there is homerism for every team and it's gonna seem like we're being huge homers, sorry if we went like 15 years without a losing record and had high expectations every year, but dont try to portray the Packer fans as bigger homers than any other teams in the league.

                        Now on to my homerish prediction for the pack this year. Everyone is expecting this huge drop-off just cuz Favre is gone. I'm not that worried about it mainly because of Mike McCarthy. The guy was able to get Aaron Brooks to put up big numbers when he was his OC. Rich Gannon credits him for a lot of his success when he was in KC and McCarthy was there. And frankly, the guy reeled in Brett Favre and made him a great QB again. I dont think Aaron Rodgers will be an MVP or anything but he's learned from McCarthy for a long time, knows the offense, knows the team, and should be able to do a nice job. He's not gonna be out there throwing bombs or anything, the offense is a lot of quick, calculated routes with the WRs making plays after the catch. Add in a nice running game with Ryan Grant and I see no reason why Rodgers cant come in and lead this team back to the playoffs. That being said, I also dont see any reason why the Vikes cant make the playoffs either and rate the teams as pretty even, but I give the Packers the edge mainly due to the fact that Mike McCarthy made Aaron Brooks into a good QB and on that fact I'm hoping Rodgers will be fine.

                        Finally, to get back on point with this stupid Favre article. To me it just seems so convenient for ESPN that this comes out when most of the Packers front office is on vacation and cant dispute the report and we know Favre isnt gonna talk to anyone so it gets to be on Sportcenter, NFL Live and all over their website for the entire weekend. Kudos, ESPN for finding something interesting to focus on the next few days.
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                        • #57
                          Oh yeah ol' boy.

                          What do the vikings and marijuana have in common? Every time you put them in a bowl
                          they get smoked.

                          2010-2011 Super Bowl Champions
                          Hint:Not the Bears.

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                          • #58
                            Its nice to think that the vikings have a chance to win with their additions but the packers have made some noise of their own. I don't know if anyone has head of him on this board.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Burns336 View Post
                              Biggest myth of last season. Dallas had a game plan for Favre (which was working to perfection) and weren't prepared for his mobility. Furthermore, if you go back and watch the game, Greg Jennings and Donald Driver would receive little 5 yards passes and turn them into huge YAC on Dallas' loser secondary players (Jacque Reeves, Nate Jones) AND the Packers comeback almost never materialized but T.O. literally gave the biggest gift interception of the season to Al Harris instead of scoring the dagger in the heart TD to seal the game.
                              if you watch any other Packer games, the short little passes were by far the most important part of our offense last year. Rodgers running the offense like that wasn't any different than if Favre was in there if he would have stuck to the offense instead of pressing and throwing a bunch of bombs like he did. Dallas's gameplan wasnt working that great, you guys just had a great pass rush and favre just went back to his old style of chucking the ball up instead of dumping it off for the safe play and letting the WRs make plays, which Rodgers did later on. Thinking the offense that Favre was running was OUR gameplan for that game and any other game was the biggest myth of last season.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Dr. Gonzo View Post
                                What the hell are you talking about. All Vikings fans claim is he will make the defense much better. It is Packer fans who act like blind homers and claim they will win the Superbowl every year.
                                You must be joking. Going into last year the most optimistic Packers fans hoped for 10 wins. Going into next year you'd be hard pressed to find a Packer fan predicting we'd repeat a 13 win season.

                                People hate on the Packers because of Aaron Rodgers. The only thing you can say bad about him is that you know almost nothing about him as an NFL player. Last year our receivers and OL made our offense run. Favre had some pretty bad seasons by his standards and then last year he was awesome. It wasn't because 38 is the magical age, our offense has weapons all over and great game planning.

                                Not to say who the better player is, but Rodgers is a better fit for our offense and a better athlete.

                                The one game Rodgers played in, he did better than any single game Jackson had in his entire career, and it was against a very good defense.

                                We've seen a lot of T Jack, and despite a pretty good offense around him he's really held back the offense.

                                The Vikings have a pretty good defense but people depend on Allen too much. He's not going to take their poor pass rush to elite status on his shoulders alone.

                                The Packers were a field goal away from the superbowl, the Vikings were a game away from the playoffs. That's a pretty big divide to just assume is going to flip flop.

                                Thanks to BK for the sig

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