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    I was just thinking about it earlier and I decided I would like to record data about offensive linemen if possible this season, as they don't have any statistics that are readily available by a league source. What I was thinking of doing is making a note of which offensive lineman or linemen allowed a sack, and how many pressures an offensive linemen gave up, the criteria being that the quarterback was hit by someone on the play.

    I could handle the Giants/Redskins game, (so far Redskins RT Stephen Heyer is the only player to allow a sack), but it would be a big help if other people could record this information during the games they watch as well, and let me know what results you get. Maybe we could get some kind of topic going in which all of the games are posted, because obviously I can't watch every game of the season. If this sounds like a good idea, let me know.

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    Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
    I was just thinking about it earlier and I decided I would like to record data about offensive linemen if possible this season, as they don't have any statistics that are readily available by a league source. What I was thinking of doing is making a note of which offensive lineman or linemen allowed a sack, and how many pressures an offensive linemen gave up, the criteria being that the quarterback was hit by someone on the play.

    I could handle the Giants/Redskins game, (so far Redskins RT Stephen Heyer is the only player to allow a sack), but it would be a big help if other people could record this information during the games they watch as well, and let me know what results you get. Maybe we could get some kind of topic going in which all of the games are posted, because obviously I can't watch every game of the season. If this sounds like a good idea, let me know.
    There are people (with a lot of time) out there that record these stats. I will find them later.

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    • #3
      Oh, excellent. That would be greatly appreciated. You wouldn't happen to know of defensive back data, would you?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
        Oh, excellent. That would be greatly appreciated. You wouldn't happen to know of defensive back data, would you?
        Like catches allowed and stuff like that?

        I'm almost positive it's out there.

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        • #5
          Occasionally K.C. Joyner posts some of that information, but it's not widespread enough to help in many arguments or anything. He has a book, but that's for the previous season.

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          • #6
            http://sports.cbs5.com/fb/index.asp

            If you want to see how many sacks an offensive lineman has allowed go to "Players" and find him. I personally don't think there is an accurate way to judge sacks allowed because it is so subjective but some people like it

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            • #7
              ya sometimes it could appear to be the o-linemans fault when in fact it was another o-lineman, or even a RB's fault. i mean, straight up getting beat off the edge by a DE is pretty straight forward, but its not as black and white as people usually think.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by abaddon41_80 View Post
                I love this site. I can now quantify how bad the Lions offensive tackles have actually been.

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                • #9
                  I made a list of the top 16 left tackles in the league:

                  1. Chad Clifton, Green Bay Packers
                  2. Chris Samuels, Washington Redskins
                  3. Jamaal Brown, New Orleans Saints
                  4. Jason Peters, Buffalo Bills
                  5. Walter Jones, Seattle Seahawks
                  6. Joe Thomas, Cleveland Browns
                  7. Michael Roos, Tennessee Titans
                  8. Flozell Adams, Dallas Cowboys
                  9. Orlando Pace, St. Louis Rams
                  10. Stacey Andrews, Cincinnati Bengals
                  11. Tra Thomas, Philadelphia Eagles
                  12. Tony Ugoh, Indianapolis Colts
                  13. Vernon Carey, Miami Dolphins
                  14. Marcus McNeill, San Diego Chargers
                  15. Levi Jones, Cincinnati Bengals
                  16. Matt Light, New England Patriots

                  Ugoh's play warranted a spot on the list, but he only has one year, and not a full one at that. Vernon Carey is a right tackle now but did a great job last year. I'm really surprised at my #1, and that no one from #13-16 made the top ten.

                  Clifton is a ridiculous tackle. He allowed 3.5 sacks in 16 games last year, only getting called for 3 penalties. His career high sacks allowed is just 4.5, still an elite number.

                  EDIT: McKinnie has fallen off of the chart, as Stacey Andrews takes over. 47 games played, 1 sack allowed. I think that speaks for itself, even if he does only have 17 starts.
                  Last edited by Matthew Jones; 09-05-2008, 01:34 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by P-L View Post
                    I love this site. I can now quantify how bad the Lions offensive tackles have actually been.
                    not saying they're good or anything, but how much is Kitna at fault?? I know many of the games i saw of the Lions last year he just stood back there way too long.

                    On the same subject, Clifton's numbers have probably been helped a lot by the fact that Favre is awesome at avoiding the rush and/or getting a throw off quickly. Hard to evaluate guys solely on stats, but it definately helps show how good lineman actually are and not just some dumb announcer saying they're good.
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                    • #11
                      Also, Willie Anderson has been one of the best tackles in the league since he entered in 1996. Barely any penalties and a low number of sacks (four a season on average.) Pretty ridiculous.

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                      • #12
                        How do you look at stats from past seasons??
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                        • #13
                          Click on players, then find the guy at the link above.

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                          • #14
                            Oh, also, Jeff Backus is miserable. Not that we didn't know that. Same with D'Brick, again, no surprise though.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RavenOfProphecy View Post
                              I made a list of the top 16 left tackles in the league:

                              1. Chad Clifton, Green Bay Packers
                              2. Chris Samuels, Washington Redskins
                              3. Jamaal Brown, New Orleans Saints
                              4. Jason Peters, Buffalo Bills
                              5. Walter Jones, Seattle Seahawks
                              6. Joe Thomas, Cleveland Browns
                              7. Michael Roos, Tennessee Titans
                              8. Flozell Adams, Dallas Cowboys
                              9. Orlando Pace, St. Louis Rams
                              10. Stacey Andrews, Cincinnati Bengals
                              11. Tra Thomas, Philadelphia Eagles
                              12. Tony Ugoh, Indianapolis Colts
                              13. Vernon Carey, Miami Dolphins
                              14. Marcus McNeill, San Diego Chargers
                              15. Levi Jones, Cincinnati Bengals
                              16. Matt Light, New England Patriots

                              Ugoh's play warranted a spot on the list, but he only has one year, and not a full one at that. Vernon Carey is a right tackle now but did a great job last year. I'm really surprised at my #1, and that no one from #13-16 made the top ten.

                              Clifton is a ridiculous tackle. He allowed 3.5 sacks in 16 games last year, only getting called for 3 penalties. His career high sacks allowed is just 4.5, still an elite number.

                              EDIT: McKinnie has fallen off of the chart, as Stacey Andrews takes over. 47 games played, 1 sack allowed. I think that speaks for itself, even if he does only have 17 starts.
                              Flozell Adams was the only LT in the league to allow just 1 sack last year. Why is he listed at 8?

                              I have KC Joyners book and I'd say it is better than any other "sack allowed stat" because he breaks them down into categories allowing you to see if it was the linemans fault or not.

                              For instance, on Justin Tucks sack last night, it was basically a coverage sack/poor play by Campbell. It had nothing to do with Stephan Heyer. The pocket held up for 3 seconds which is considered the amount of time after which a sack becomes a coverage sack and Campbell basically broke the pocket and walked into tuck. So even if Heyer is credited with giving up a sack, it really wasn't his fault. I know KC Joyner would mark it as such, but I'm not sure how anyone else online would.
                              Last edited by Burns336; 09-05-2008, 02:33 PM.

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