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  • #46
    Could Dorsey play a Darnell Dockett type role in the 3-4, lining up at end and tackle?
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    • #47
      Originally posted by BamaFalcon59 View Post
      Could Dorsey play a Darnell Dockett type role in the 3-4, lining up at end and tackle?
      If he stays healthy I think he could do just about anything.
      Originally posted by 49erNation85
      I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by BamaFalcon59 View Post
        Could Dorsey play a Darnell Dockett type role in the 3-4, lining up at end and tackle?
        People fail to realize that AZ played 3-4 like 35 total plays this year in non nickle situations.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by bored of education View Post
          People fail to realize that AZ played 3-4 like 35 total plays this year in non nickle situations.
          I saw Dockett playing a 0 tech often in the Superbowl. And he is not the largest guy.

          That is what I meant.
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          • #50
            I made this write up about how well the Packers will fit the 3-4 for the Packers forum, but given its relevance to the thread and how much time I spend on it I figured I might as well post it here

            In depth look at where our players fit for the transition:

            Name Height Weight Age

            Justin Harrell 6-4 320 25
            Projection: DE

            Harrell doesn't fit very well in a 3-4. He is a NT/DE tweener. I think he ends up in the starting mix at DE but he might have a future at NT, possibly being a backup at that position. Right now I'm not sure he has the ability to eat up a center and a guard, which is why he'll probably be a DE. He has to show the ability to hold the edge. On the plus side, I think he can succeed pushing the pocket at the RT side, where he won't really do much himself, but could prove to be pretty valuable by opening lanes for Kampman to make plays behind him.

            Aaron Kampman 6-4 265 29
            Projection: OLB

            Is almost the ideal size for a rush OLB in the 3-4. He should be very successful, but will have to work at developing new instincts, adjust to playing in space and moving laterally. He will rush pretty much the same area as before, and being a bull rusher, he should be very good at generating pressure on the QB. Hitting the pocket with a running start will make him very hard to block. He may be a liability against the run, where he will have trouble shifting outside and chasing down the runner, but he can fight through blocks.

            Michael Montgomery 6-5 273 25
            Projection: DE

            Could be a very good fit at DE for us. Has the height and arm span to hold the edge, but he might not be able to pressure the pocket very well. Needs to put on weight to stick at this position. Could do very well at containing the runner and directing him inside, but may not be able to shed the blocks and make the tackles. Needs to get stronger.

            Ryan Pickett 6-2 330 29
            Projection: NT

            Pretty good size for a NT. Plays with decent leverage and is used to going against a guard/center. Lacks the quickness and burst to be a true playmaker NT that we could really use, but is satisfactory. Conditioning may be an issue - I could see him wearing down really fast when we stick him in the middle of the line. Won't be able to get a push like we desire, but should hold his own.

            Jeremy Thompson 6-4 270 23
            Projection: DE

            True tweener between a OLB and DE (in 3-4). May not last long on the team. However, he has potential to be a good DE for us, if he really hits the weight room and add 15 pounds of muscle and some bulk. Could be a DE that can not only hold the edge, but shed some blocks and generate some pressure, but if he doesn't get bigger he'll just be a waste that gets pushed around. Could project to OLB, but he's not fast enough and won't be able to adjust to playing in space. Not a good enough natural rusher. Seeing as how he is young, he has a much better chance at adding bulk and playing DE than slimming down and playing OLB. Just not fast or agile enough.

            Desmond Bishop 6-2 238 24
            Projection: ILB

            Could end up being a solid ILB thumper for us. Better fit in the 3-4 than 4-3. Can't cover well, but he could be a very solid run stuffer. Can make the tough tackles inside if traffic is directed towards him. Not sure how well he can shed blocks, but plays with power. Probably ends up being a backup, but might end up seeing significant playing time, particularly rotating in at short yardage situations or could be a good backup for both Hawk and Barnett.

            Brandon Chillar 6-3 243 26
            Projection: OLB

            Should be a versatile backup for us, but lacks the natural edge rushing ability to be a true starting OLB. Plays well in space and can cover, but isn't explosive enough to get to the quarterback as an OLB rusher, and is undersized for the position. Could also play inside, but should be better playing OLB against the run and in coverage, where he can move laterally and read running plays well, and chase down stretch running plays.

            A.J. Hawk 6-1 248 25
            Projection: ILB

            Good size for a 3-4 ILB and has excellent instincts that should help him. However he needs to get stronger and do a better job shedding blocks. Might struggle making tackles inside. Could end up being very good for us if he can play with more power and make tackles, because then we might really see him making plays all across the LOS as well as being a rock solid cover LB. But could also get pancaked going against big interior lineman, and be a big failure. Don't see him as an OLB - just not big enough and not a natural edge rusher.

            Brady Poppinga 6-3 247 29
            Projection: OLB

            Decent fit as an OLB with good power and pretty good edge rushing skills. Lacks ideal speed and over pursuits at times, but should generate pressure and can stuff the run, albeit inconsistently. Good size for the position, but could stand to add a few pounds and his frame may be maxed out. Almost useless in coverage and doesn't play well laterally. Needs to develop better instincts and vision.

            Nick Barnett 6-2 236 27
            Projection: ILB

            Should really excel at ILB. Has good speed and plays with the explosiveness that we need for an inside backer. Should bulk up and at 5-10 pounds. Can shed blocks well and a good tackler inside. Good instincts and should do very well when traffic is directed his way. Shouldn't have much of a problem going against the bigger interior lineman and can even cover if needed. Only potential problem is if he can't add weight and gets pushed around.

            Cullen Jenkins 6-2 305 28
            Projection: DE

            Excellent fit at DE. Good size, but ideally would be a little taller with better wing span. Should be very good at holding his position as well as getting some penetration. Decent quickness and first step which should really help him. Needs to adjust to being more self sacrificing, and try to direct traffic rather than make too many plays.

            Johnny Jolly 6-3 320 26
            Projection: DE

            Could be a pretty good DE for us, but might need to lose some weight. Could be both a good space eater for the linebackers that can also generate pressure. May struggle holding the edge and pushing traffic inside. Has decent strength, may not be quick enough. Should do well except against off tackle runs, where he could get pushed inside. Note: I think his legal troubles are overblown and they won't affect his career that much.

            Projected depth chart:
            RDE: Cullen Jenkins, Michael Montgomery, Jeremy Thompson
            NT: Ryan Pickett, Justin Harrell
            LDE: Johnny Jolly, Justin Harrell, Michael Montgomery
            ROLB: Brady Poppinga, Brandon Chillar
            RILB: AJ Hawk, Brandon Chillar
            LILB: Nick Barnett, Desmond Bishop
            LOLB: Aaron Kampman, Brandon Chillar*

            *Chillar is listed as a backup for 3 linebacker spots - it's obvious we need to draft another OLB. I want Orakpo, Brown would be a good choice as well. We can put Chillar at OLB and be OK as long as we have a blitz threat on the other side like Kampman or Orakpo, but the defense will really struggle if we have Chillar and Poppinga both on the field.

            Thanks to BK for the sig

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            • #51
              Skills vs. size are two very different things. I just don't like the skills that Kampman has translated to the 3-4.

              Oldie but a goodie.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by nobodyinparticular View Post
                Skills vs. size are two very different things. I just don't like the skills that Kampman has translated to the 3-4.
                I think he's going to be a dominant bull rusher, but the other skills have to develop (which isn't guaranteed to happen). And he can stop the run, but he can't let himself get lost in space and he might be too slow to catch runners on the outside.

                Thanks to BK for the sig

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                • #53
                  Kampmann makes his money with leverage. He's one of the best leverage bullrushers in the game. Reminds me of a poor man's Strahan.


                  With the switch to rushbacker, its gonna be much harder for him to use leverage, because he's not squatted down, and isn't short enough to get under pads like Harrison and Woodley of the Steelers do.

                  And thats just the pass rushing aspect of it. How fluid are his hips in coverage and run stuffing?


                  I think he's much better suited as a natural base LE in a 4-3, but we'll see how he fares. He's the one real question mark to this transition.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                    Kampmann makes his money with leverage. He's one of the best leverage bullrushers in the game. Reminds me of a poor man's Strahan.


                    With the switch to rushbacker, its gonna be much harder for him to use leverage, because he's not squatted down, and isn't short enough to get under pads like Harrison and Woodley of the Steelers do.

                    And thats just the pass rushing aspect of it. How fluid are his hips in coverage and run stuffing?


                    I think he's much better suited as a natural base LE in a 4-3, but we'll see how he fares. He's the one real question mark to this transition.
                    That's what I am curious to see too.. I want to see how he does standing up and in coverage and basically reading his keys up right..

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                    • #55
                      Arizona's defense was basically a 3-4 in a 4-3 base. That's what Pendergrast runs. It's a hybrid. The Chiefs will likely run the same thing with more emphasis on 3-4 fronts.

                      I see them moving Dorsey around the DL. He'll play both NT and DE, I see that as the most effective way to utilize him until he can handle the NT duties full-time. He could definitely develop into a Casey Hampton. But he could be a Jay Ratliff in the mean-time.

                      The Chiefs need to focus on getting a few 3-4 DE's and OLB's. Plenty of options in UFA, but they should also probably be the ones to pull the Jarron Gilbert trigger in the 2nd round if Tyson Jackson isn't there.
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                      • #56
                        The Broncos have Mike Nolan, instant fail!
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