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  • #16
    And why does everyone think Vernon Davis is gonna be so great? I think hes gonna be a very good player, but he had a sub par year so you shouldn't be talking like hes a superstar (although he may be at some point)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GiantRutgersFan View Post
      And why does everyone think Vernon Davis is gonna be so great? I think hes gonna be a very good player, but he had a sub par year so you shouldn't be talking like hes a superstar (although he may be at some point)
      He got hurt. He'll be a Top TE in a few years. Reason being he's a physical freak with a strong desire to be the best in the game.

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      • #18
        this a really stupid question because as many have pointed out rodgers hasnt played at all. you can say that well i liked rodgers better our of college because things become very different once you get to the nfl. at this point alex smith is the better player for two reasons 1) he has played. 2) he is visibly progressing.

        after he had a terrible 1st year he had a much better 2nd year. once he gets some more weapons such as a true #1 WR then he will IMO get even better. he is young athletic and very smart. at the end of the year in 05 i didnt think that he could ever improve but he has bounced back and really improved a lot
        Last edited by niel89; 03-05-2007, 02:02 AM.


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        • #19
          Originally posted by 16_SFfan_80 View Post
          Known facts: Alex played behind a worse O-Line that season than the Arizona Cardinals and had Brandon Lloyd has his #1 receiver. Leinart had Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Edgerrin James. Alex could look like a stud with all those weapons as well. It's not that difficult. Leinart is overrated, simply because he went to USC. Clearly a lot of teams recognized his deficiences. That's why he fell in the draft.

          so carson palmer is overated because hes a usc qb? no i think have leonard davis at ur LT is pretty bad. lloyd is a good wr but ur right on how leinart has fitz and boldin. also smith BARELY did better than leinart this year even though leinart is a rookie and didnt play every game.

          Smith 16 tds 16ints 74.8 rating 16 games
          Leinart 11 tds 12 ints 74.0 rating 12 games

          PLUS smith had a 1,500+ yard runner in 06 and leinart had barely 1,000 rusher. niners had a better line too
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          • #20
            Alex by a mile at this stage. He has shown he has the talent and the knowledge to succeed in an improving team.

            My concern over Rodgers is that he wont have played a meaningful game in over 3 years if Favre doesnt get hurt this season so really the Packers are no better off than they were in 2005. We still cant say wether Rodgers is any good or not


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            • #21
              Originally posted by ninerfan View Post
              Alex by a mile at this stage. He has shown he has the talent and the knowledge to succeed in an improving team.

              My concern over Rodgers is that he wont have played a meaningful game in over 3 years if Favre doesnt get hurt this season so really the Packers are no better off than they were in 2005. We still cant say wether Rodgers is any good or not
              Same would have been said of Rivers.

              Guys sitting on the bench for muliple years and starting later, isnt a bad idea, and QBs like that tend to progress well and seem to surprise people too. Alex Smith was thrown into a fire early (too early, I think) and showed that he was not ready.

              Anyway, I think Turner is a massive loss, but I still think Smith can be better. He seems to have it all; the athleticism, smarts, and work ethic. I would like to see what he can do with a solid WRs and a good pass protecting OL.

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              • #22
                ALEX SMITH no question

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by RaiderNation View Post
                  lloyd is a good wr
                  No, he's not.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by 16_SFfan_80 View Post
                    Known facts: Alex played behind a worse O-Line that season than the Arizona Cardinals
                    I cannot believe you said that.

                    What's the philosophy, they want to draft Joe Thomas more than anything because he looks good in red?

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                    • #25
                      Uhh Alex Smith

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by GiantRutgersFan View Post
                        And why does everyone think Vernon Davis is gonna be so great? I think hes gonna be a very good player, but he had a sub par year so you shouldn't be talking like hes a superstar (although he may be at some point)
                        He finished the season incredibly strong. In his last 4 games, he had 13 catches, 196 yards(2 of the games going over 70 yards) and 2 tds. That might not seem like much, but you have to consider the fact that he was used alot as a blocker(he's one of the best blockers on our team) because kwame harris can't block ish. He's shown amazing flashes in his limited play this year, but I still think he has some work to do. I think he'll have a semi-break out year with about 55 catches for 750 yards and 8 tds, but I don't think he'll be considered elite until his 3rd year.

                        On to the main topic, this is an incredibly unfair comparison. You can't compare a guy that hasn't started to a guy that has. That would be like comparing phillip rivers career, before this year, to the other qbs in his class. I like aaron rodgers, he's a cal bear and a local kid. I really hope he does well in the nfl, despite the team he plays for.

                        As for Alex, he's in a pretty good situation in SF. He's got alot of young talent around him and, hopefully, backed up by a pretty good defense this up coming season. He's on a run first team, so he won't be putting up monster stats for us, but I think he'll be incredibly efficient. I'm predicting about 19 tds, 10 interceptions and about 3300 yards. He has a ton of potential though, he's still going to only be 23 at the start of the season(he was only 20 years old when got drafted). I don't think he'll have his break year until next year. He's a guy that needs to feel comfortable in the system he's playing in, before he takes his game to the next level(according to urban meyer).

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                        • #27
                          Alex's first year really hurt him in a lot of people's estimation, but any QB asked to make do with a starting unit of Arnaz Battle and Brandon Lloyd at WR, Kevan Barlow at RB, and Billy Bajema (a rookie, 7th round blocking specialist) at TE would have struggled, especially if he were a rookie himself, as Smith was. Honestly, I'm amazed the 2005 49ers managed to win four games, they were absolutely horrible offensively.

                          I really think Smith has it in him to develop into a franchise QB. What Niner fans know that many others don't is the ridiculous work ethic-- the kid has it in him to be great (and I say kid because remember, he's only 22). You read about the amount of time he puts into studying the game, the offense, and his opponents, and then take into account his physical gifts (mobility and a better than advertised arm on a 6-4 frame), and the fact that he's already developed into a team leader and you would be like us Niner fans-- you'd start wondering how he could possibly fail over the long run.

                          SO in fact, I'll go you one step further. Alex Smith, in the long run, won't just be better than Aaron Rodgers-- he'll be better than Eli Manning, better than Ben Roethlisberger, and better than at least 2 out of 3 of last years first round QBs (Jay Cutler scares me) because he has all the intangibles of leadership, toughness, and intelligence and is very physically gifted as well. I honestly don't see too many other young QBs out there who are as balanced across the board.
                          Last edited by stl9erfan; 03-05-2007, 04:33 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by stl9erfan View Post
                            Alex's first year really hurt him in a lot of people's estimation, but any QB asked to make do with a starting unit of Arnaz Battle and Brandon Lloyd at WR, Kevan Barlow at RB, and Billy Bajema (a rookie, 7th round blocking TE) as a rookie would have had trouble. Honestly, I'm amazed the 2005 49ers managed to win four games, they were absolutely horrible.

                            I really think Smith has it in him to develop into a franchise QB. What Niner fans know that many others don't is the ridiculous work ethic-- the kid has it in him to be great (and I say kid because remember, he's only 22). You read about the amount of time he puts into studying the game, the offense, and his opponents, and then take into account his physical gifts (mobility and a better than advertised arm on a 6-4 frame), and the fact that he's already developed into a team leader and you would be like us Niner fans-- you'd start wondering how he could possibly fail over the long run.

                            SO in fact, I'll go you one step further. Alex Smith, in the long run, won't just be better than Aaron Rodgers-- he'll be better than Eli Manning, better than Ben Roethlisberger, and better than at least 2 out of 3 of last years first round QBs (Jay Cutler scares me) because he has all the intangibles of leadership, toughness, and intelligence and is very physically gifted as well. I honestly don't see too many other young QBs out there who are as balanced across the board.
                            Great post, and the bold is definitely true. He watches a ridiculous amount of game film during the offseason. From what I've read, he basically lived at the 49ers facility last offseason. If he keeps up the work ethic, I can definitely see him beating out my expectations of him for this up coming season.

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                            • #29
                              I personally think that Rodgers will need a year (like Smith) to put it all together but will be good, and him and smith will have a comparable career. Note that Rodgers is also very young and even though he is 23 he is only 5 months older then smith.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by stl9erfan View Post

                                SO in fact, I'll go you one step further. Alex Smith, in the long run, won't just be better than Aaron Rodgers-- he'll be better than Eli Manning, better than Ben Roethlisberger, and better than at least 2 out of 3 of last years first round QBs (Jay Cutler scares me) because he has all the intangibles of leadership, toughness, and intelligence and is very physically gifted as well. I honestly don't see too many other young QBs out there who are as balanced across the board.
                                lol.

                                No way Jose. He's not gonna be better then any of those 6 imo. He just doesnt have it. Maybe he will be better then Lienart cause hes on Arizona, but thats it and just cause Arizona is always terrible.

                                Cutler, Young, and Lienart all had better rookie seasons then Smith had in his second year.

                                Eli and Big Ben's second years were both outstanding. Rivers had a nice first year.


                                Thats just a homer statement cause theres no evidence. Smith threw the same amount of INTs as TDs.

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