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    I found this story earlier, and I found it kind of interesting.
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11528497/rss

    I don't really follow the guy around much, but I know he's a good offensive mind. Does anyone else agree with me and Lombardi that it's somewhat surprising that this guy doesn't have a job? Coaching the 49er's offensive talent, or lack thereof into the 13th-ranked passing offense has to be worth something. I wouldn't have minded him being hired as a passing-game coordinator for Oakland. Would you want him on your staff?

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    Isn't Martz a fairly prickly character who thinks incredibly highly of himself?

    Oldie but a goodie.

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    • #3
      I don't think you'd easily find a 49er fan who was upset with the passing game he was able to install in San Francisco. Unfortunately, his scheme made the QBs sitting ducks on their 7+ step drops and 20 yard dig routes. In order to better protect against the pass rush, he kept Vernon Davis in to block and continued using 4 WR sets. There were several instances this season where the 49ers were leading and instead of utilizing Frank Gore to help run out the clock he continued passing the ball. Once Coach Singletary became interim, Martz offense was reigned-in and became a more effective, more ball-control style of offense which saw the 49ers win games. According to Singletary, Martz was unwilling to adapt to this style of offense full-time and that is why he was fired.

      I believe he is a tremendously talented offensive mind. Unfortunately, I feel that many teams are weary of his style of offense and the tremendous difficulty it has shown to protect a teams QB as well as utilize all of the talent on the field.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by nobodyinparticular View Post
        Isn't Martz a fairly prickly character who thinks incredibly highly of himself?
        Well I'm not sure exactly, but I do believe there is a consensus that what you said may be partly correct, that his ego may be big or that his persona just doesn't always click the right way with people. The NFL is a business, but it is still important the way you come across to other people. Martz may have burned one too many bridges in this fashion.

        "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
        -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
        Originally posted by Borat
        Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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        • #5
          Martz should be a college head coach at this point. It's obvious he can't mesh ego-wise with NFL head coaches and some NFL personnel. He needs to take his gimmick offense to college.
          The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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          • #6
            I have never, ever been so irritated or baffled by the play selection & clock management of one single coach in my life - until Martz came along.

            And it's not even like I see that many of his games since the Rams, Lions, and 49ers are not exactly top choices for nationally broadcast games.

            IDK if it is his ego or something else, but he always seems incapable of utilizing the run game. While I agree the "Run 1st" type mentality is wrong if you have the right personnel, it is still important to run the ball enough to keep the D honest.

            He sucks as a playcaller & manager. I would have no problem putting his offensive brilliance to work, but not if he has any say in play selection on Sunday.

            Sig img shamelessly stolen from teh interwebs

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            • #7
              He does think highly of himself but he did win some rings but I agree he would do better in college he can be mike leach
              One day i will be on the nfl sideline, maybe in a helmet or a headset. but it will take me to Canton, Ohio.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Borat View Post
                Martz should be a college head coach at this point. It's obvious he can't mesh ego-wise with NFL head coaches and some NFL personnel. He needs to take his gimmick offense to college.
                I don't think his ego would allow him to coach in college. It seems like most NFL people consider college ball simplistic.

                I agree that he would do well though.


                Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tyler Ashley View Post
                  I found this story earlier, and I found it kind of interesting.
                  http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11528497/rss

                  I don't really follow the guy around much, but I know he's a good offensive mind. Does anyone else agree with me and Lombardi that it's somewhat surprising that this guy doesn't have a job? Coaching the 49er's offensive talent, or lack thereof into the 13th-ranked passing offense has to be worth something. I wouldn't have minded him being hired as a passing-game coordinator for Oakland. Would you want him on your staff?
                  I always loved Mike Martz. I know he has his faults but he and Norv Turner really have modernized the Air Croyell system. There must be something more to the story because it's a fraternity in the NFL among coaches. For him to not get picked up really means something. Either he thinks highly of himself, which turns off coaches, or he did something to make a bad name of himself among his peers.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jj45 View Post
                    He does think highly of himself but he did win some rings but I agree he would do better in college he can be mike leach
                    Mike Martz won one Super Bowl ring as an offensive coordinator.

                    "Every light must fade, every heart return to darkness!"
                    -San Francisco 49ers: Five Time Super Bowl Champions-
                    Originally posted by Borat
                    Oh, my bad. Didn't realize SWDC was the pinnacle of class and grace.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Borat View Post
                      Martz should be a college head coach at this point. It's obvious he can't mesh ego-wise with NFL head coaches and some NFL personnel. He needs to take his gimmick offense to college.
                      His gimmick offense won a Super Bowl, and nearly a second one. It's not a gimmick if it's been effective at the absolute highest level.

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                      • #12
                        Here's an easy analogy to understand: Martz is the Jeff George of coaches.

                        His talents will get your team a lot of passing yards but he will absolutely refuse to make what he does work with what the overall team wants to do. He will stick to his thing at all costs - even at the cost of winning.

                        Now, HE will say that doing what he does gives the team the best chance to win, but that's only true if the whole team adjusts to everything he wants. And he's too much of a prick to get everyone pulling in his direction enough to get all the things he wants.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Calvin & Kevin View Post
                          Here's an easy analogy to understand: Martz is the Jeff George of coaches.

                          His talents will get your team a lot of passing yards but he will absolutely refuse to make what he does work with what the overall team wants to do. He will stick to his thing at all costs - even at the cost of winning.

                          Now, HE will say that doing what he does gives the team the best chance to win, but that's only true if the whole team adjusts to everything he wants. And he's too much of a prick to get everyone pulling in his direction enough to get all the things he wants.
                          Lions would have passed on Calvin without Martz's well documented prodding and begging. I get what you're saying, but let's face it a Jeff George comparison is too harsh for someone who has had so much success in the NFL.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CC.SD View Post
                            His gimmick offense won a Super Bowl, and nearly a second one. It's not a gimmick if it's been effective at the absolute highest level.
                            My bad. His offense is conventional. Yeah, not really.
                            The Brian Sabean sig is no more. I disagreed with you on so many levels. And then you went out and built a dynasty. I am lame.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CC.SD View Post
                              Lions would have passed on Calvin without Martz's well documented prodding and begging. I get what you're saying, but let's face it a Jeff George comparison is too harsh for someone who has had so much success in the NFL.
                              That is by no means a sure thing. Millen as we know showed an unhealthy obsession with WR's well before Martz showed up. And anyway, look how even after that, Martz still had problems - saying for instance that the Lions "needed two tackles" because the ones he had were pissed about being put out there play after play to block seven-step-drop, 20 yard square in passing plays with no help, no hot routes and no audibles allowed. (Yes, the tackles also sucked, but that's beside the point)

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