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  • #76
    Originally posted by Splat420 View Post
    The best TE tandem is?
    Originally posted by derza222 View Post
    Dustin Keller and...whoever...we end up adding to the roster...to be the second tight end?
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    • #77
      Originally posted by jth1331 View Post
      I don't get the big deal for Marshall's ypc. 2 yards, is that really that big of a deal? No, it isn't. Geez, its like you are just trying to come up with stuff to derail Marshall.
      2 yards is a big deal. That's like saying the difference between 4 yards per carry and 5 yards per carry isn't big. It is.
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      • #78
        When I first saw TE I was thinking "hey! the cleveland has a pretty good tandem...". Then I remembered they traded K2...

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        • #79
          Originally posted by kalbears13 View Post
          When I first saw TE I was thinking "hey! the cleveland has a pretty good tandem...". Then I remembered they traded K2...
          :[ we dun went and did that.

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          • #80
            I can't even be a homer with this thread lol, BAL WR's *** really bad. I'd say that DEN, NE, and PIT would be at the top of the list. NE would get the nod for my #1 though.

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            • #81
              On of the question of TE's I think Tampa has the best core K2, Alex Smith, Jeremy Stevens...all of them are WR in TE bodies but that is still a great group (considering Stevens seems to have calmed down and straightened out a little)
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              • #82
                Originally posted by BamaFalcon59 View Post
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                Your reaching.


                In Andre's 3rd season you do know he averaged 10.9 per catch right? His 4th year wasn't better at 11.1...In fact, year 4 he had over 100 catches but only 1100 yards and 5 TD's, that doesn't look anything like Marshall with 100 catches, nearly 1400 yards and 7 TD's in year 2 does it?


                As far as Fitz, he gets touchdowns. I can live with a receiver who makes big plays (Andre) or catches a lot of touchdowns (Larry). But not one who does neither.

                So Marshall does neither? That's news to me...Good to know that Andre gets a pass for all his "average" seasons though even though Marshall's career has started MUCH better, which leads back to my original point of you calling him overrated, yet AJ is so awesome.



                There is really nothing of substance to hold onto to say that he's overrated at this point in his career, you can't cling to his YPC when he's a big possession WR who makes a living after the catch...It's not like his primary routes are downfield like guys like Jennings or White, he makes a living running after the catch.


                Or maybe you can explain why Andre's YPC was below 11 numerous times, and what made him so different, because he's never been the type of WR that Marshall is, and frankly his career the first 3 years doesn't even compare to Marshall, in fact almost every WR's first 3 years don't add up to what Marshall did.





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                • #83
                  Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                  Your reaching.

                  No, I'm not.

                  In Andre's 3rd season you do know he averaged 10.9 per catch right? His 4th year wasn't better at 11.1...In fact, year 4 he had over 100 catches but only 1100 yards and 5 TD's, that doesn't look anything like Marshall with 100 catches, nearly 1400 yards and 7 TD's in year 2 does it?

                  And he was vastly overrated in those seasons. I was never a huge proprietor of AJ until this past season.

                  Also, Marshall has a much better situation around him.




                  So Marshall does neither? That's news to me...Good to know that Andre gets a pass for all his "average" seasons though even though Marshall's career has started MUCH better, which leads back to my original point of you calling him overrated, yet AJ is so awesome.

                  I wasn't an Andre fan till this past season. His production has always been overstated.


                  There is really nothing of substance to hold onto to say that he's overrated at this point in his career, you can't cling to his YPC when he's a big possession WR who makes a living after the catch...It's not like his primary routes are downfield like guys like Jennings or White, he makes a living running after the catch.

                  No, his yard per catch coupled with low touchdown totals is what makes him overrated. He is a possession receiver, he is 6'4" 230 but isn't a great redzone target. Hence the Keyshawn comparisons. Lots of receptions, not many touchdowns or big plays.

                  Or maybe you can explain why Andre's YPC was below 11 numerous times, and what made him so different, because he's never been the type of WR that Marshall is, and frankly his career the first 3 years doesn't even compare to Marshall, in fact almost every WR's first 3 years don't add up to what Marshall did.
                  For the third time, AJ's production has always been overrated. This past season he showed out, and I gave him his props. Also, Marshall is playing in a pass happy system with a top young QB. AJ had much less favorable circumstances.
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                  • #84
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by njx9
                      wait wait wait... marshall is OVERrated and we're comparing him to andre johnson and fitz? all righty.

                      it's also interesting that he isn't a great red zone target because he doesn't have a lot of tds. i'm sure that you, bamafalcon, watched enough broncos games to tell me about our red zone offense, and why marshall may have been ineffective in it. seriously. i'd really like to know if you're making a stupid, statistically based argument or if you actually think you have some idea what you're talking about.

                      i have no stake in a "marshall is great: check yes/no" argument. but when you're justifying your position with garbage arguments...
                      He's overrated as a whole. Lots of catches in an offense that has to use the pass game to substiture for no rushing attack.

                      He doesn't. Get off his nuts. I'm sure Bucs homers had Keyshawn's back back in the day. But the fact remains, more catches should equal more touchdowns. TO has said it, if a good receiver gets a 100 receptions he should get more touchdowns.

                      He is not a top five receiver, and I wouldn't put him top 10. He does what he does well, but he's not much better than a Marques Colston, who is a better redzone threat although not as good after the catch or deep.
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by njx9
                        and yet, your basis for comparison is two of the best wrs in the game. seems logical.

                        Longhorns brought up Andre's lack of TDs and Larry's YPC. I did not.

                        quote one place i've ever said he has a lot of tds.

                        You implied he was a redzone threat.

                        quote one place EVER where i've been "on his nuts."

                        Just assuming, you being a Broncos fan.

                        that has nothing to do with anything. but thanks for letting me know what you think of the bucs and keyshawn.

                        Yes it does. It is my Marshall comparison, rather than TO. Although Marshall is better after the catch than Johnson was.

                        so no, you didn't, in fact, watch any broncos games, and thus have no real idea why he doesn't have more tds. i'm glad we cleared that up. now we can all move on with our lives, knowing that you don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about.



                        hooray for opinions that are based solely on a stat sheet. i'm sure someone, somewhere cares that you think you can read a box score and derive meaning from it.
                        And yet you still can't prove me wrong.
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                        • #87
                          Two yards is a pretty big deal.
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                          • #88
                            Yes, because his 50 catches are comparable to guys catching 90+ balls while seeing constant doubles.
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                            • #89
                              This Marshall debate is still happening? come on now, he is a purebred and clearly one of the best in the league.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by BamaFalcon59 View Post
                                For the third time, AJ's production has always been overrated. This past season he showed out, and I gave him his props. Also, Marshall is playing in a pass happy system with a top young QB. AJ had much less favorable circumstances.
                                I say your reaching because your trying to nit pick bits and pieces of his game or his stats that you don't like, his TD totals are just fine for a player who has played 3 seasons.


                                It doesn't even have to be AJ, I just used him as an example of a great WR who had a low YPC, but you can take a look at Plaxico Burress' TD totals in the league: 0, 6, 7, 4, 5, 7 before he ever got to double digits.


                                Anquan Boldin didn't get to double digit TD's until his 6th season and has also had YPC's of 11.1, 11.7, and 12...So you can understand why I don't see why any of that makes Marshall overrated at least at this point.


                                You know you brought up the offensive scheme a few times yourself, it's obviously going to affect the YPC when Marshall catches alot of screen passes and hitch routes, when some other WR's are primarily running deep routes...Still, it makes no sense to put most of the credit on the offensive system as the reason why he got over 100 catches the past two seasons, teams are scheming to stop him so any WR that does that back to back seasons deserves his props.





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