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  • #16
    Originally posted by 3pac View Post
    Lead the Browns to what? You keep talking about leading, but I don't know what you're referring to. The playoffs? IDK, the same reason Cutler didn't I guess....
    lead them to wins? lead them to at least a decent record? lead them to almost making the playoffs? keep them in contention all year long

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    • #17
      Originally posted by 3pac View Post
      I'll admit that Cutler has a higher ceiling, but not to the point where he should be hailed as some kind of future Peyton or Tom based soley on throwing 4500 yards.
      That's interesting. Since you seem so convinced that Cutler has been overhyped, some examples of such talk may be helpful.

      Again, I never said he would bust. You're making inferences based on the fact that you don't appreciate someone questioning what your team did.
      No, I'm making inferences because your argument is awful. It has no logic behind it. What the **** does Derek Anderson have to do with Jay Cutler? You could draw connections between almost anything and anyone (for example, John Elway and O.J. Simpson

      Saying there is a possibility is not saying it will happen. The only one jumping to conclusions here is you.
      What conclusions have I jumped to? Other than your argument is a complete logical fallacy.


      An argument could easily be made that Jay Cutler has become overrated (especially on here). You've just completely failed to do it.


      Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by SimonRath View Post
        lead them to wins? lead them to at least a decent record? lead them to almost making the playoffs? keep them in contention all year long
        You're confusing my point. I'm talking about 2007 DA, not 2008. The whole point of this post is the similarities between the 07 offseason, and how much hype DA was getting after his first Pro Bowl season, and the 08 offseason, and how much hype Cutler is getting after his first Pro Bowl season.

        The fact that he did so bad this year is why I'm saying people shouldn't just blindly buy into Cutler in Chicago, because for all we know it's very possible (not necessarily likely, but definitely possible) that he too will regress the next year, like DA.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by 3pac View Post
          You're confusing my point. I'm talking about 2007 DA, not 2008. The whole point of this post is the similarities between the 07 offseason, and how much hype DA was getting after his first Pro Bowl season, and the 08 offseason, and how much hype Cutler is getting after his first Pro Bowl season.

          The fact that he did so bad this year is why I'm saying people shouldn't just blindly buy into Cutler in Chicago, because for all we know it's very possible (not necessarily likely, but definitely possible) that he too will regress the next year, like DA.
          when did you state you were talkin about the 07 season?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
            That's interesting. Since you seem so convinced that Cutler has been overhyped, some examples of such talk may be helpful.
            Go back into this very forum, let alone all the Bears forums (which I frequent since they're my 2nd favorite NFC team). It's filled with talk about how he's going to lead them to a Superbowl.


            No, I'm making inferences because your argument is awful. It has no logic behind it. What the **** does Derek Anderson have to do with Jay Cutler? You could draw connections between almost anything and anyone (for example, John Elway and O.J. Simpson
            Because unlike comparing Elway and Simpson, Cutler and DA are actually very similar, as I've said over and over in this topic. Don't start flipping out and getting angry the point you feel the need to cuss just because you refuse to see the connections. Both had a good season, both carried lofty expectations into the next year. Seeing DA bust is a perfect example of why it's better to be cautious when attempting to anoint Cutler as one of the next great franchise QBs.


            What conclusions have I jumped to? Other than your argument is a complete logical fallacy. An argument could easily be made that Jay Cutler has become overrated (especially on here). You've just completely failed to do it.
            You jumped the conclusion I was saying Cutler would bust, which, if you would actually read anything I've said in this topic, is not the case. Stop being so defensive, take a chill pill, and actually read what is in front of you.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by SimonRath View Post
              when did you state you were talkin about the 07 season?
              Literally the first sentence of my topic.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by 3pac View Post
                Literally the first sentence of my topic.
                oh damn haha
                so didnt see the "prio to last season" part

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by SimonRath View Post
                  oh damn haha
                  so didnt see the "prio to last season" part
                  It's all good. Most arguments come from a misunderstanding afterall.
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                  • #24
                    because cutler is a franchise qurterback and anderson was fluke\one year wonder, yea you can point to cutlers record and say it isnt good but he had one of the worst defenses in the league, and the defenses best player(champ bailey) didn't even play the whole year, theres really one stat that can clear this whole thing up and its that cutler is something like 16-1 when the defense didn't give up more than 20 points, jeez haha you cant do it all by yourself

                    P.S- haha sorry didnt see the 07 season either my bad

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                    • #25
                      Well first of all that a QB has such a great season like DA had in 2007 and totaly collapses the year after is the exception, not the rule. The reasonning you are making has no logic to it at all. Billy is a boy and has red hair, Bobby is a boy too so does he have red hair too???

                      Then Jay Cutler has more then one big year behind him. His abilities where recognized comming out of Vanderbilt and he was a 1st round pick. He struggled a little bit as a rookie but still produced a lot of plays, so-so his 2nd year but again made a lot of good plays and then boom 3rd year he is carrying that whole team under his shoulders.

                      There is no doubt in my mind that Jay Cutler is the most physicaly gifted QB in the NFL today. Not the best or most talented, but as far as overall athletism, arm strength, the type of passes he completes that most others only dream of, maybe Jamarcus Russell could match him soon but as of now he is alone in his class.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by 3pac View Post
                        It's all good. Most arguments come from a misunderstanding afterall.
                        damn i was in the mood to argue too :(

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by HawkEye30 View Post
                          because cutler is a franchise qurterback and anderson was fluke\one year wonder, yea you can point to cutlers record and say it isnt good but he had one of the worst defenses in the league, and the defenses best player(champ bailey) didn't even play the whole year, theres really one stat that can clear this whole thing up and its that cutler is something like 16-1 when the defense didn't give up more than 20 points, jeez haha you cant do it all by yourself
                          This is exactly what I'm talking about. What evidence is there that Cutler is a franchise quarterback? What evidence was there in the 07 offseason after DA was a probowler that he was a fluke? You're saying this only in today's perspective. We don't know what will happen.

                          Just because someone was drafted in the first round and has, at this point in time, 1 year of true success doesn't make him a franchise QB. He has to earn that title through more than one 8-8 Pro Bowl season.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Raider_fan_Canada View Post
                            Well first of all that a QB has such a great season like DA had in 2007 and totaly collapses the year after is the exception, not the rule. The reasonning you are making has no logic to it at all. Billy is a boy and has red hair, Bobby is a boy too so does he have red hair too???

                            Then Jay Cutler has more then one big year behind him. His abilities where recognized comming out of Vanderbilt and he was a 1st round pick. He struggled a little bit as a rookie but still produced a lot of plays, so-so his 2nd year but again made a lot of good plays and then boom 3rd year he is carrying that whole team under his shoulders.

                            There is no doubt in my mind that Jay Cutler is the most physicaly gifted QB in the NFL today. Not the best or most talented, but as far as overall athletism, arm strength, the type of passes he completes that most others only dream of, maybe Jamarcus Russell could match him soon but as of now he is alone in his class.
                            Again, you're making the same mistake bearsfan did. I'm not saying he WILL bust, I'm saying we need to keep in mind he COULD. People anoint him, like the poster before you, as a franchise QB when in reality there is NO EVIDENCE YET that is the case.

                            And as for the 1st round pick thing, again...I think this fact just sways people's perceptions of a player. It's like arguing Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady simply because he was drafted in a higher round. What does the draft matter?
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                            • #29
                              what are the similarities in the playing style of Jay Cutler and DA? that would be far more interesting than the situation they are in.

                              Bearsfan is not argueing Jay Cutler is the better player because he was drafted higher. he is saying he has the superior talent. Would u disagree with that?

                              seriously though, if u just want to make a thread about how he could bust, u could make that about every single player.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Gay Ork Wang View Post
                                what are the similarities in the playing style of Jay Cutler and DA? that would be far more interesting than the situation they are in.

                                Bearsfan is not argueing Jay Cutler is the better player because he was drafted higher. he is saying he has the superior talent. Would u disagree with that?
                                Both are gunslingers with a high risk/reward gamestyle that can warrant lots of TDs but also lots of INTs.

                                And yes, I'd say he has a higher ceiling at least. His potential is higher than DA's, but I find it silly to use the draft as an example of that. After all, no one's going to argue Joey Harrington has/had more superior talent than Tony Romo or Tom Brady.

                                EDIT: I was too fast, didn't see what you added just now. And yeah, in a way you could, but I made it because of the outrageous hype behind Cutler. People are calling him a franchise QB based on practically nothing.
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