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  • #31
    Derek Andersons arm is nothing like Jay Cutlers arm
    Jay Cutler is a lot more mobile
    The browns were more a run heavy team afair with jamal lewis keeping the defenses honest. their defense wasnt that bad either. The denver broncos were just horrible, the offense was all Cutler, no running game really and the defense was the 2nd worst in the league.

    Like someone said, Cutler is 17-1 when the defense held the opponents to 21 or less points.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Gay Ork Wang View Post
      Derek Andersons arm is nothing like Jay Cutlers arm
      Jay Cutler is a lot more mobile
      The browns were more a run heavy team afair with jamal lewis keeping the defenses honest. their defense wasnt that bad either. The denver broncos were just horrible, the offense was all Cutler, no running game really and the defense was the 2nd worst in the league.

      Like someone said, Cutler is 17-1 when the defense held the opponents to 21 or less points.
      They had the 12th most rushing yards in the league and had the 3rd highest yards per rush attempt. I'd hardly say they had no running game.

      I also don't see why you'd say they don't have similar arms, although I agree Cutler is more mobile. The 17-1 or whatever is impressive, but what would you expect when leading an offense that scores as many points as Denver did? It's a good stat, but it's a bit misleading. I mean theoretically, an offensive-based team should almost ALWAYS win if their D is doing a decent enough job to keep them under 3 TDs.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by 3pac View Post
        Go back into this very forum, let alone all the Bears forums (which I frequent since they're my 2nd favorite NFC team). It's filled with talk about how he's going to lead them to a Superbowl.
        No, you find it. So far you've said that he's been compared to Manning and Tom Brady, and that he would lead them to a Superbowl. Find those quotes. They must be all over the place since this is such a problem.


        Because unlike comparing Elway and Simpson, Cutler and DA are actually very similar, as I've said over and over in this topic.
        What part of, "your argument is a logical fallacy" don't you understand? Your connections are specious and lame. Just because you, someone who has to this point yet to establish any credibility, says so, doesn't make it true. It just makes it a dumb argument you won't let go.

        Don't start flipping out and getting angry the point you feel the need to cuss just because you refuse to see the connections. Both had a good season, both carried lofty expectations into the next year. Seeing DA bust is a perfect example of why it's better to be cautious when attempting to anoint Cutler as one of the next great franchise QBs.



        You jumped the conclusion I was saying Cutler would bust, which, if you would actually read anything I've said in this topic, is not the case. Stop being so defensive, take a chill pill, and actually read what is in front of you.
        Really? Where did I say that? Do you have a reading disability?

        I'm moving on. You're a dope. I see that others have come to the same conclusion.


        Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
          What part of, "your argument is a logical fallacy" don't you understand? Your
          I'm moving on. You're a dope. I see that others have come to the same conclusion.
          Fine by moi. I'd rather debate with people with maturity who put thought and reasoning instead of just having footballPMS. I take no enjoyment in bickering with an elitist with an attitude, so by all means, "move on."
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          • #35
            Originally posted by 3pac View Post
            Fine by moi. I'd rather debate with people with maturity who put thought and reasoning instead of just having footballPMS. I take no enjoyment in bickering with an elitist with an attitude, so by all means, "move on."

            I agree with you. Hes had one good year, and he is being annointed a great QB who is going to bring an enormous upgrade to the Bears O, which i think is true really. He carried the Broncos O in a lot of games, and I think he can do the same for the bears.

            But the fact of the matter is that both his situation this offseason and DA's last offseason have some striking similarities. DA had one good year too, big arm with too many picks and almost led his team to the playoffs, all like Cutler. Does it mean he'll fall apart too? No of course not, hell ive already said i think he'll help carry that O and make the team better. But thats just my opinion. I thought DA was a one year wonder and that BQ was gunna take his job, but I think Cutler is a better player with better tools and wont struggle.

            I guess your point really is: Both Cutler and DA have been in similar situation in the past offseasons, why is it that Cutler is getting so much more credit than DA did?
            Originally posted by Thumper/JBCX/Bixby
            Orton will never be in the same class as the Drew Brees or the Peyton Mannings or the Tom Bradys of the world. Kevin Kolb has the potential to be that kind of player.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by hockey619 View Post
              I agree with you. Hes had one good year, and he is being annointed a great QB who is going to bring an enormous upgrade to the Bears O, which i think is true really. He carried the Broncos O in a lot of games, and I think he can do the same for the bears.

              But the fact of the matter is that both his situation this offseason and DA's last offseason have some striking similarities. DA had one good year too, big arm with too many picks and almost led his team to the playoffs, all like Cutler. Does it mean he'll fall apart too? No of course not, hell ive already said i think he'll help carry that O and make the team better. But thats just my opinion. I thought DA was a one year wonder and that BQ was gunna take his job, but I think Cutler is a better player with better tools and wont struggle.

              I guess your point really is: Both Cutler and DA have been in similar situation in the past offseasons, why is it that Cutler is getting so much more credit than DA did?
              THANK you, finally someone understands what I'm trying to say. You hit the nail on the head, maybe it'll illustrate the point better to others than I was able to.
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              • #37
                Cutler is the one who really baptized Jesus and on the 8th day he invented laser rocket armz
                my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
                <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
                <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
                <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
                Originally posted by Hermstheman83
                What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                • #38
                  i dont see how people say he only has 1 good year. he had 3 good years so far and proved every year he is a good QB in this league

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Gay Ork Wang View Post
                    i dont see how people say he only has 1 good year. he had 3 good years so far and proved every year he is a good QB in this league
                    He only played 5 games his first year, so it's kind of hard to count that. And his 2nd year was by no means bad, but it wasn't spectacular: 20 TDs 14 INTs.

                    This most recent year is his only Pro Bowl year, and so that's really the only year we can go off on that he truly proved his worth. And even this past season he still through a lot of picks. If anything I'd say he showed promise in years 1 and 2, and then fulfilled a lot of potential with a Pro Bowl appearance in year 3. But that's different than saying he had "3 good years and proved he's a good QB."
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                    • #40
                      He has shown progress which DA had none of. Cutler was going to be an elite Qb around year 5-6 in the league and he is well on his way.
                      my scent?...like making love to a lumberjack
                      <TACKLE> i will ngata give you a bj raji
                      <+BOE> Scott, with Burfict's character concerns (whether legit or not) you think Pioli would draft him. :D
                      <+ScottWright> Why not. Baldwin does need a sparring partner...
                      Originally posted by Hermstheman83
                      What's with the hate on Ricky Stanzi? Those youtube clips of him with the hulk hogan theme music instantly make him better than Luck.

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                      • #41
                        Im so ******* sick of these stupid Cutler threads.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Gay Ork Wang View Post
                          Derek Andersons arm is nothing like Jay Cutlers arm
                          Jay Cutler is a lot more mobile
                          The browns were more a run heavy team afair with jamal lewis keeping the defenses honest. their defense wasnt that bad either. The denver broncos were just horrible, the offense was all Cutler, no running game really and the defense was the 2nd worst in the league.

                          Like someone said, Cutler is 17-1 when the defense held the opponents to 21 or less points.
                          I'm sorry, that made me lolz a little bit. The Browns D in '07 was solid for a few games, a pretty awful for most others. I haven't checked rankings, but I would venture a guess that statistically it wasn't much better than Denvers.

                          On the topic of ability, Jay Cutler is clearly the superior athlete of the two. DA however, does have an electric arm. Quick release, exceptional velocity. Cutler's is better, but to say DA's is nothing like Cutler's is a misconception. Oh no, I think I just complemented DA...I'll brb. I have to go atone for my sins.

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                          • #43
                            To me, I think the situation is overhyped because people are expecting the Bears to come in and have an elite offense right away. I'm just not sure I see it with the weapons they currently have. Remember that Cutler was a part of one of the best overall offenses in the league last season. He's not going to have nearly the weapons or protection that he got in Denver, which is why I don't think he'll repeat his success of last season.

                            There's a good chance Bears fans are going to flip out when they read this and start bashing me. I understand, everybody has a bias towards their team and there's nothing wrong with believing in what they're doing. I just think it's important to control expectations especially when you have a quarterback coming into a new team and system. Don't be surprised if there are some growing pains especially until the Bears sort out their receivers and offensive line.

                            All this talk about the Bears being the clearcut favorites to win the division is premature to me. The Vikings still have the best defense and the most talented team on paper. The Packers still have the best offense and a defense that is a mystery at this point in terms of how they'll likely perform. The Lions...well, nevermind about the Lions. ;) All in all, I think the division is pretty wide open right now but if I had to give a team the edge it would be the Vikings because they have proven the most on the field.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Highagain View Post
                              To me, I think the situation is overhyped because people are expecting the Bears to come in and have an elite offense right away. I'm just not sure I see it with the weapons they currently have. Remember that Cutler was a part of one of the best overall offenses in the league last season. He's not going to have nearly the weapons or protection that he got in Denver, which is why I don't think he'll repeat his success of last season.

                              There's a good chance Bears fans are going to flip out when they read this and start bashing me. I understand, everybody has a bias towards their team and there's nothing wrong with believing in what they're doing. I just think it's important to control expectations especially when you have a quarterback coming into a new team and system. Don't be surprised if there are some growing pains especially until the Bears sort out their receivers and offensive line.

                              All this talk about the Bears being the clearcut favorites to win the division is premature to me. The Vikings still have the best defense and the most talented team on paper. The Packers still have the best offense and a defense that is a mystery at this point in terms of how they'll likely perform. The Lions...well, nevermind about the Lions. ;) All in all, I think the division is pretty wide open right now but if I had to give a team the edge it would be the Vikings because they have proven the most on the field.
                              Pretty much. He may develop into a star but it wouldn't surprise me at all if next year, at the very least, has some growing pains. Clearly the fans are pretty rabid and defensive about it, as evidenced by people like bearsfan_51. I guess people don't like hearing negative things about their team.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by bored of education View Post
                                He has shown progress which DA had none of. Cutler was going to be an elite Qb around year 5-6 in the league and he is well on his way.
                                Exactly. I'd +rep this but I can't yet b/c I was being a wise-arse and gave you -1 the other day. Took you to 41999 which I see lasted a long time. lol

                                Cutler has all the tools necessary to be a franchise QB. On top of that he has shown improvement each year, culminating with his great season last year in which he carried the team.

                                Citing the rushing stats for Denver is nonsense. Watch some of the games - you'll see the rushing attack was a classic "pass to set up the run" situation b/c the rushing attack was terrible on its own. Add to that the fact that 6 of their 16 games were against the division rivals who also had gawd-awful run Ds and you can see how Denver's rushing stats could be slightly skewed. Choosing to cite that divisions' overall weakness as evidence of one point w/o considering it as evidence of the opposite point is statistical cherry picking.

                                DA was a journeyman QB who couldn't put it all together, regardless of the tools he had. He had one good season without any of the continuous progression Cutler has shown.

                                With Chicago he will have a much better rushing attack (i.e. balanced attack) and a defense that can actually stop someone. His offensive weapons will be roughly the same (imo) b/c he will have a better run game but weaker WRs. If the Bears can land a solid WR prospect like Robiskie it would greatly improve Cutler's chances to blow up in the Windy City.

                                But there's a strong chance Cutler has a pedestrian year with the weapons at WR unless Bennett progresses and can be a decent 3rd option behind Olsen & Hester.

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