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  • #61
    Originally posted by parrish_lemar24DBSkins View Post
    You forgot Dan Fouts.
    Dan Fouts won the MVP in 1982.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by nobodyinparticular View Post
      Over the past 15-20 years, not 30 years. And yes. What's wrong with only 6 QBs in that time? Again, it's Hall of Fame not Hall of Very Good.
      This is 2009 Montana started in '79 and Marino in '83. So I guess I could say 25 years, just to give them a couple years to get situated.

      I forgot Elway.

      What's wrong is that it leaves out Aikman, Kelly, Moon, and Fouts. All those guys deserve to be in. You can't only measure players based on how great they were, if they were important to the NFL they have to get in also, which is why Moon got in, which is why Aikman was a first ballot. It is the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Greatness. Greatness is one measure of importance, but not the only one.

      That being said, I'm conflicted on Mcnabb, a couple more years and I say he is in. Right now, I wouldn't be mad, but I don't think so.
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      • #63
        I was planning on creating a thread about something I've really been wondering, which is very much along the lines of this recent thread so I guess I'll just add on to it. Anyways, here goes:

        Donovan McNabb had two years left on his existing contract, but the Eagles signed him to a new two-year deal with more money. So, safe to say, they're committed to him for at least one more year if not both years.

        And they continue to add talent to a well-built team, acquiring in the offseason Stacey Andrews, Jason Peters, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy, and Ellis Hobbs among other players.

        Coming off of last year, when they took the Cardinals - playing in Arizona - to the brink of the NFC Championship Game, I think potentially the Eagles could be primed for another Super Bowl appearance in the next two years. Especially with the way I think the NFC could break in the next year, if not two.

        So as to the Hall of Fame chances of Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb ...

        Does a Super Bowl championship in the next two years automatically get both into the Hall?

        And is anything less than a championship enough? A SB appearance, another entry (or two) into an NFCCG, two NFCCGs, numbers of years more?

        I'm pretty curious as to what you guys think.
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        • #64
          I think McNabb will eventually make it, he will have to wait a long time but he will get in. Do I necesarcilly think he deserves to be in the in HOF? No, not really he hasn't been dominant which is what I would like out of a HOF player.

          But if you compare his numbers to some other HOF QBs from this era he stacks up very well so he definatly could get in...

          Donovan McNabb -5 time Pro Bowler 0 All Pros 0 Super Bowl Rings |128 Games started | Record:82-45-1-64%
          Passing
          2534 CMP | 4303 Att| 58.9 % | 29,320 yds | 6.8YPA | 194 TD | 90 Int | 85.9 Rat
          Rushing
          536 att | 3109 Yds | 5.8 YPC | 26 TDs

          Steve Young- 7 Pro Bowls 3 All Pros 1 Super Bowl ring | 143 starts | Record 94-49- 66%
          Passing
          2667 CMP | 4149 Att | 64.3 % | 33124 yds | 7.9 YPA | 232 TD | 107 Int | 96.8 Rat
          Rushing
          722 att | 4239 Yds | 49 Td | 5.9 YPA

          Jim Kelly -5 Pro Bowl 1 All Pr 0 Super Bowl | 160 Starts | Record 101-59 - 63%
          Passing
          2874 Cmp | 4779 Att | 60.1% | 35467 Yds | 7.4 YPA | 237 TD | 175 Int | 84.4 rat
          Rushing
          304 att | 1049 yds | 7 TD | 3.5 YPC

          Troy Aikman- 6 Pro Bowls 0 All Pro 3 Super Bowl Rings | 165 Starts | Record 94-71- 61.5%
          Passing
          2898 Cmp | 4715 Att | 61.5% | 32942 Yds | 7.0 YPA | 165 TD | 141 Int | 81.6 Rat
          Rushing
          327 Att | 1016 yds | 9 Td | 3.1 YPC

          Also keep in mind McNabb obtained these numbers with mostly a cast of scrubs, especially compared to what some of those QBs had to work with. But to me what impresses me the most about McNabb has been his decision making over his career he has only thrown 90 Ints on 4303 Att thats 1 int per every 48 Passes, thats damn good.

          I think McNabb has been very under rated for the majority of his career. His career numbers won't blow you away. However when you compare them to so other QBs they put in the hall pretty recently it does seem he stands a very good chance to make it in one day down the road.

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          • #65
            He's not a HOFer at all. Was he very good at one point? Yes, he was great. But was he a dominant player of our time? NO, I don't think he's in that conversation.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Crazy_Chris View Post
              I think McNabb will eventually make it, he will have to wait a long time but he will get in. Do I necesarcilly think he deserves to be in the in HOF? No, not really he hasn't been dominant which is what I would like out of a HOF player.

              But if you compare his numbers to some other HOF QBs from this era he stacks up very well so he definatly could get in...

              Donovan McNabb -5 time Pro Bowler 0 All Pros 0 Super Bowl Rings |128 Games started | Record:82-45-1-64%
              Passing
              2534 CMP | 4303 Att| 58.9 % | 29,320 yds | 6.8YPA | 194 TD | 90 Int | 85.9 Rat
              Rushing
              536 att | 3109 Yds | 5.8 YPC | 26 TDs

              Steve Young- 7 Pro Bowls 3 All Pros 1 Super Bowl ring | 143 starts | Record 94-49- 66%
              Passing
              2667 CMP | 4149 Att | 64.3 % | 33124 yds | 7.9 YPA | 232 TD | 107 Int | 96.8 Rat
              Rushing
              722 att | 4239 Yds | 49 Td | 5.9 YPA

              Jim Kelly -5 Pro Bowl 1 All Pr 0 Super Bowl | 160 Starts | Record 101-59 - 63%
              Passing
              2874 Cmp | 4779 Att | 60.1% | 35467 Yds | 7.4 YPA | 237 TD | 175 Int | 84.4 rat
              Rushing
              304 att | 1049 yds | 7 TD | 3.5 YPC

              Troy Aikman- 6 Pro Bowls 0 All Pro 3 Super Bowl Rings | 165 Starts | Record 94-71- 61.5%
              Passing
              2898 Cmp | 4715 Att | 61.5% | 32942 Yds | 7.0 YPA | 165 TD | 141 Int | 81.6 Rat
              Rushing
              327 Att | 1016 yds | 9 Td | 3.1 YPC
              Not to be "that guy" but Aikman was an All-Pro in 1993. The homer in me couldn't let this slide.

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              • #67
                You guys are too caught up in this. Right now he may not look like a HOF'er, but two or three more years with Brian Wesbrook, DeSean Jackson, etc around him he could be looking like one.

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                • #68
                  Needs a Superbowl win.



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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Geo View Post
                    So as to the Hall of Fame chances of Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb ...
                    I'm shocked that you could even think about Andy Reid for the Hall of Fame. That is a joke.
                    Last edited by GB12; 07-12-2009, 01:22 AM.

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                    • #70
                      Well that's kind of what I was wondering about. If the Eagles do win a Super Bowl, what does that mean for Reid? He'll have had an unprecedented decade of success with the Eagles, nevermind bring the franchise its first championship. Does that mean Hall of Fame discussion for him?
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                      • #71
                        If he wins a ring, he'll get consideration at least.


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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Paul View Post
                          Not to be "that guy" but Aikman was an All-Pro in 1993. The homer in me couldn't let this slide.
                          My bad if you were right I was just going off of pro football reference and they don't have him listed as ever being an all pro. So I guess they got it wrong

                          http://www.pro-football-reference.co...A/AikmTr00.htm

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                          • #73
                            If McNabb makes it, then Phil Simms should be a shoe in!

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                            • #74
                              McNabb is only 680 yds away from 30,000 yards which barring injury he should break by week 4. He is only 391 rushing yards away from 3500 yards. Either way only a SB ring will keep him out of the HOF if he continues to play at this level for 3-5 more years. It's entirely possible for him if all he does is average his career stats to have 40,000+ pass yds 270+ TD/ 3600 rush yds 35TD when its all said and done or more if indeed he stays healthy. Imagine what his numbers would be had he not been injured in the 2-3 yr span after the SB where he missed 13 games (22 in total for his career) after being named starter.

                              Just so you know he should have more passing yards than Steve Young and Steve McNair by the end of this season. When it is all said and done McNabb will be a member of the 30000 and 3500 club.

                              Plus look at all of this:


                              He is the third winningest QB of his generation and he has had very little talent to work with, he has 5 NFC Championship games and a superbowl appearance. He is a hall of famer.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Shockey+Manning=Shocking View Post
                                If McNabb makes it, then Phil Simms should be a shoe in!
                                Lol you have to be kidding. Look at the stats buddy, McNabb will smash Simms numbers.

                                Phil Simms- 14 seasons
                                33,462 career passing yards
                                199 Touchdown Passes
                                157 interceptions
                                sacked 477 times
                                349 rushing attempts
                                1,252 rushing yards and 6 touchdowns

                                Donovan McNabb- 10 seasons
                                29,320 passing yards
                                194 touchdown passes
                                90 interceptions
                                sacked 322 times
                                536 rushing attempts
                                3,109 rushing yards and 26 touchdowns

                                All that in 4 less seasons. Yeah, Phil Simms is a shoe in if McNabb makes it in! Sorry thats wrong and I wish that thing didn't have a smiley face.

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