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  • #16
    Originally posted by BeerBaron View Post
    Good example for you to try out: Go post something in the NFC North section about how Jay Cutler is better than Aaron Rodgers and see how long it takes you until your swarmed by the seemingly limitless number of Packers fans about how wrong you are and the umpteen (still can't believe that's recognized as an actual word) million reasons why.

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    That's common knowledge.
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    • #17
      Losing Mudd would be more of a loss than Moore, in my opinion. Peyton will still have that offense performing.

      Mudd was one of the best OL coaches in the NFL, so his loss is significant. I got the impression that offensive linemen were expendable because of Mudd and his ability to plug in young OL and make them successful. It will be interesting to see if their OL in the future.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BeerBaron View Post
        I didn't want to come out and say that because I knew there'd be some Colts' fans zealously defending the team but I totally agree with that statement.
        It's childish and weak for you to try to set up anyone who disagrees with you as a zealot.

        Mudd is a good OL coach but he is not some sort of secret key to the Colts' success. Our OL hasn't been dominant since '06 but the Colts have won at least 12 games the last two years. And short yardage situations have been a problem for our offense for years.

        I'm not saying we are somehow better off, but statements like "this is the beginning of the Colts' demise" sound more like wishful thinking to me.

        If anything, people should look for a down year from the Colts because Dungy is gone, we have a new D coordinator, new STs coordinator, Marvin Harrison is gone and will likely retire, etc etc. Add Howard Mudd to the list if you want, but his retirement alone is hardly going to be the undoing of the Colts' success.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BeerBaron View Post
          I think you might be confusing zealous with like.....idiotic or something bad. It's really not. It's just that typically whenever something gets posted about a team that could be bad news, the fans come out rather quick and dismiss why it's not bad.

          Good example for you to try out: Go post something in the NFC North section about how Jay Cutler is better than Aaron Rodgers and see how long it takes you until your swarmed by the seemingly limitless number of Packers fans about how wrong you are and the umpteen (still can't believe that's recognized as an actual word) million reasons why.

          Like, if for some reason Urlacher suddenly retired and someone posted a thread about it an in that thread, were saying things like "oh man, the Bears defense is gonna suck now" or something, I'd be right there with my umpteen (love it) million reasons why that's incorrect. "Lance Briggs has been better than him lately anyway.....Jamar Williams is a really good young backup who the staff loves and he would fill in....Nick Roach got some starting experience last year at SAM and looked good.....we just drafted Marcus Freeman.....etc etc etc" you get the point. Zealously defended.

          And you post after I "called it" was pretty much the type of zealousness I expected. You covered the basic points of a "zealous" fan response. You got the "this isn't as bad as it seems" in there, got your reasons why, got your "how we'll replace him" part........seems like a textbook case of zealousness.

          And zealous, like I pointed out, isn't bad. I was just expecting it and....there it came.
          It's hard to dictate what is zealous and what is not zealous through text. It's not like he slammed his caps lock button and started typing so furiously that every other word was a typo. "WEXZ WUNT MISZZ DAT OLYNE COAUCH CUZ PAY-TON MAYNOISE IS THE BESSTEST QBBZ EVAH!"

          He simply stated his opinions. Neither you or I know how much intensity or eagerness he had when typing said opinions.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by killxswitch View Post
            It's childish and weak for you to try to set up anyone who disagrees with you as a zealot.
            Like I said in a later post though, zeal isn't a bad thing. And yes, to the guy above me, it's hard to determine something like that from text.....

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            • #21
              He'll be missed, but the Colts aren't going to fall flat on their faces because of this.

              Every year someone says its the beginning of the end for the colts, and every year they go out and get 12 wins. Sooner or later your bound to be right, but I've been hearing it for the last 3 years how they're going to do poor the next year. I'm sure when they finally fall, everyone will be there saying "I told you so".

              Its hard to imagine the O-line being any worse than last season. Three rookies saw significant time in the middle.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BeerBaron View Post
                I think you might be confusing zealous with like.....idiotic or something bad. It's really not. It's just that typically whenever something gets posted about a team that could be bad news, the fans come out rather quick and dismiss why it's not bad.

                Good example for you to try out: Go post something in the NFC North section about how Jay Cutler is better than Aaron Rodgers and see how long it takes you until your swarmed by the seemingly limitless number of Packers fans about how wrong you are and the umpteen (still can't believe that's recognized as an actual word) million reasons why.

                Like, if for some reason Urlacher suddenly retired and someone posted a thread about it an in that thread, were saying things like "oh man, the Bears defense is gonna suck now" or something, I'd be right there with my umpteen (love it) million reasons why that's incorrect. "Lance Briggs has been better than him lately anyway.....Jamar Williams is a really good young backup who the staff loves and he would fill in....Nick Roach got some starting experience last year at SAM and looked good.....we just drafted Marcus Freeman.....etc etc etc" you get the point. Zealously defended.

                And you post after I "called it" was pretty much the type of zealousness I expected. You covered the basic points of a "zealous" fan response. You got the "this isn't as bad as it seems" in there, got your reasons why, got your "how we'll replace him" part........seems like a textbook case of zealousness.

                And zealous, like I pointed out, isn't bad. I was just expecting it and....there it came.
                Aaron Rodgers>Jay Cutler. :)

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                • #23
                  Howard Mudd was obviously a very good line coach in turning low rounders into serviceable lineman, but last year our line was quite poor, in spite of having two 2nd rounders in Pollak and Ugoh (really a first rounder when you think we traded a first to get him) as well as Jeff Saturday. We'll miss him, but I hope that we can get a new coach in who can give us some pop in the run game. Enjoy retirement Howard.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BeerBaron View Post
                    Like I said in a later post though, zeal isn't a bad thing. And yes, to the guy above me, it's hard to determine something like that from text.....
                    When I think of a zealot I think of a freak with a bomb strapped to his chest screaming at the world. I don't think most people think zealotry is a good thing. And the way you phrased it made it seem like you didn't want to have to deal with the "passionate" Colts fans who would disagree with you.

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                    • #25
                      Honestly, unless they come up with a great replacement, losing Mudd might be worse then losing Dungy. He's been the best offensive line coach in the NFL for 10 years.

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                      • #26
                        I agree, if I could keep one, I would definitely keep Mudd over Dungy or Moore.
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                        • #27
                          Well it's official, Mudd and Moore retire.


                          Amazing to think that Peyton had the same OC since he was a rookie, how many QB's get that same benefit? That continuity is huge for not only a QB, but for the entire organization...I'm sure someone from within is ready to take over without much of a drop off.





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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by LonghornsLegend View Post
                            Well it's official, Mudd and Moore retire.


                            Amazing to think that Peyton had the same OC since he was a rookie, how many QB's get that same benefit? That continuity is huge for not only a QB, but for the entire organization...I'm sure someone from within is ready to take over without much of a drop off.
                            Indianapolis had an offensive coordinator? What a waste of money.

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                            • #29
                              These losses are going to have some affect on the Colts Offense. Moore, Mudd, and Harrison. I know Harrison lost a bit, and Anthony Gonzales looks promising, but I think there will be a dropoff on that offense as a whole. Two of the most important coaches for the offense, a HOF WR, that'll be tough. It remains to be seen how much of a dropoff, but I personally don't think it'll be huge. It will be there though.
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                              • #30
                                Mudd has been arguably the best o-line coach in football this one will hurt.
                                Originally posted by 49erNation85
                                I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.

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