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  • Two words: Detroit Lions.

    Lions created over half of the 9 game gap(not 13) since South created in 2002.
    1-3 vs South in 2002(beat Saints)
    Loss to Carolina 2003
    Win vs Atlanta 2004
    1-3 in 2005 (beat Saints)
    Win vs Atlanta 2006 (Lions own Atlanta 23-10 all time vs Atlanta)
    Win vs Tampa 2007(South champs)
    0-4 in 2008

    Lions 5-11 since 2002 vs the South. 5-7 until this year when we got swept.
    Bears 8-8 vs South (5 losses pre 2005 when Bears sucked from 02-04). Bears 1-3 this past year in 4 close games)
    Green Bay 7-9 (7-5 until 2008 but Pack got swept this year)
    Vikings 8-8 since 2002 (2-2 in 2008)

    28-36 regular season gap(64 games). So 8 games gap, 6 due to Lions and the rest due to Packer sweep this year.
    1-2 playoffs (Atl beat GB in 2002,Carolina beat Chicago in 2005 and Chicago beat New Orleans in 2006)

    29-38 since divisions formed

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    • Originally posted by Crazy_Chris View Post
      The Interior of the D-line is by far and away the north. The exterior is debateable both have 2 Elite DE's but the North is more well rounded as Jared Allen is a better run defender than John Abraham. Either way if you were to give the exterior to the south, the difference is not big enough to make up for the difference in the interior. So it would not be a wash, the north has the better defensive line and its not really debatable.



      So lets get this straight the north has a likely hall of fame MLB(older but still Excellent), the best 4-3 WLB in the game Lance Briggs, and an rising stud SLB in Chad Greenway. But the south has the better LB's and it's not even close? That's funny, it's debatable which group is better but to say either is far ahead of the other is just wrong.
      sorry but I love urlacher but he isnt even near his top anymore. Briggs is not the best WLB in the game and I would take beason over him for every linebacking position to be honest and vilma vs greenway is not that close either. Of course you can feel free to disagree but for me ruud > urlacher, beason>briggs and vilma>>>> greenway.

      You are right that the difference in interior is bigger than the difference in exterior but in a 4-3 defense the ends are more important the the tackes imo.


      Saints 2014 draft wish list:
      - No pass rusher till the fourth round (or preferably at all)
      - Corner or Wideout in the first
      - No reaching
      - No Kelvin Benjamin

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      • Originally posted by wicket View Post
        sorry but I love urlacher but he isnt even near his top anymore. Briggs is not the best WLB in the game and I would take beason over him for every linebacking position to be honest and vilma vs greenway is not that close either. Of course you can feel free to disagree but for me ruud > urlacher, beason>briggs and vilma>>>> greenway.

        You are right that the difference in interior is bigger than the difference in exterior but in a 4-3 defense the ends are more important the the tackes imo.
        I already said this, but Barnett should be over Urlacher at this stage of their careers, and Barnet>Ruud. I think Beason and Briggs are very close, and Vilma>Greenway.

        But Aaron Kampmann and Jared Allen are some of the best DEs in the game, so that edge is just by the slightest of margins.
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        • Originally posted by etk View Post
          Roddy is a lot better than Greg Jennings. Like, I don't see how there's an argument there. Jennings benefits tremendously from the GB system. Roddy White has been a 1-man machine the past 2 years, and he's a complete player like BamaFalcon said.


          The South corners are mediocre, but I'd trust the safeties in deep coverage. Not to mention the South defensive line has 4 pass rushing specialists going against an overrated line that's a mish-mash of different scheme fits. The South OLine is a better pass blocking unit and the North DLine is better suited against the run than pass.

          But anyways, congratulations to the NFC North fans for their consolation prize of winning this stupid poll. Maybe next year you guys can narrow the total divisional wins gap. 38 for the South, 25 for the North....a 13 win differential.

          We're always happy to beat up on you guys when it counts.
          "Ahhh. I'm not happy my division didn't win.

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          they get smoked.

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          • Jennings does benefit from Green Bay's system, and anyone who says otherwise is a homer or blind. It doesn't mean he still isn't good but that GB system is ridiculous

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            • Originally posted by SchizophrenicBatman View Post
              Jennings does benefit from Green Bay's system, and anyone who says otherwise is a homer or blind. It doesn't mean he still isn't good but that GB system is ridiculous
              What system are you referring to? The WCO?

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              • Originally posted by someone447 View Post
                What, Jennings benefits from the West Coast Offense? Jennings is a very good receiver, just as good as Roddy White. The are completely different types of receivers. Yes, White has more receptions(29) and yards(400 or so) over the past two years than Jennings. But Jennings has a bunch more TDs(8), a couple YPC higher(between 1.5 and 2 yards), well over twice the number of 40+ yard catches(9). Packer receivers are always underrated, just look at Driver during his prime, he couldn't even get recognized as a legit #1.

                Ok, so your safeties are busy with CJ deep, who can take Jennings on those slants and crossing routes he is so good at? The South team just doesn't match up very well. Plus, good luck stopping AP with only 7 people. Especially against the awesome run blocking of the North oline.

                Jared Allen and Aaron Kampmann are both beasts as pash rushers. The North would get pressure on Brees, just like the South would get pressure on Cutler.

                Two words: Detroit Lions.
                I don't go by statistics to judge receivers. You have to look at ability and environment. White is bigger, more athletic and the Falcons don't have the best infrastructure for WR production. Jennings makes his mark working the soft spots of the defense, while White is beating double and triple teams to haul in key 3rd down plays. I don't see how the 2 are even...the only advantage I'd give to Jennings is run-after-catch ability.

                Packer receivers are underrated because they all produce by the boatload. None stand out physically and few match their production outside of GB. If White and Jennings swap teams there would be a fairly drastic statistical turnaround. Any half-decent receiver could look good in GB imo.

                The South team happens to have some of the best coverage LBs. They can play the underneath zone very well, plus Jennings would have a drop off in impact outside of the GB offense. The North team would do some damage on the ground, but I don't see that matching up with the dynamic aerial attack that is the South.

                Allen and Kampman are more physical pass rushers compared to a guy like John Abraham. Brees gets the ball out too quickly to suffer from their rush. He's also the most accurate QB in the league.

                Barnett>Ruud? C'mon now, Ruud is one of the most complete LBs in the game. He's the most valuable player on one of the league's top defenses the past couple years.

                South fans show nothing other than the fact that we have mutual respect for our teams and we know that there's a lot of underrated talent in our division. We didn't have 4 teams above .500 for nothing....it's because we have good players on our teams.
                Last edited by etk; 05-17-2009, 02:10 PM.

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                • Originally posted by etk View Post
                  I don't go by statistics to judge receivers. You have to look at ability and environment. White is bigger, more athletic and the Falcons don't have the best infrastructure for WR production. Jennings makes his mark working the soft spots of the defense, while White is beating double and triple teams to haul in key 3rd down plays. I don't see how the 2 are even...the only advantage I'd give to Jennings is run-after-catch ability.

                  Packer receivers are underrated because they all produce by the boatload. None stand out physically and few match their production outside of GB. If White and Jennings swap teams there would be a fairly drastic statistical turnaround. Any half-decent receiver could look good in GB imo.

                  The South team happens to have some of the best coverage LBs. They can play the underneath zone very well, plus Jennings would have a drop off in impact outside of the GB offense. The North team would do some damage on the ground, but I don't see that matching up with the dynamic aerial attack that is the South.

                  Allen and Kampman are more physical pass rushers compared to a guy like John Abraham. Brees gets the ball out too quickly to suffer from their rush. He's also the most accurate QB in the league.

                  Barnett>Ruud? C'mon now, Ruud is one of the most complete LBs in the game. He's the most valuable player on one of the league's top defenses the past couple years.

                  South fans show nothing other than the fact that we have mutual respect for our teams and we know that there's a lot of underrated talent in our division. We didn't have 4 teams above .500 for nothing....it's because we have good players on our teams.
                  You can't have it both ways man, if you are saying White is better than Jennings because he is bigger and more athletic, you have to say Johnson is better than Smith for the same reasons. I think a better comparison is Johnson vs White and Smith vs Jennings, since they are the same types of recievers. I think Johnson beats White by more than Smith beats Jennings.

                  Jennings also makes his mark on long TD catches. Jennings is severely underrated as a WR, just like Driver was for all those years.

                  I agree the Souths pass rush is better, but Abraham+Peppers is only slightly better than Allen+Kampmann.

                  Nick Barnett is EVERYWHERE when he is healthy. He is another player who is severely underrated. I'll take Barnett over Ruud any day.
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                  • god why is that argument about the teams being above .500 still being brought up?

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                    • Originally posted by Gay Ork Wang View Post
                      god why is that argument about the teams being above .500 still being brought up?
                      Because they are mad the South got their asses kicked.
                      Last edited by someone447; 05-17-2009, 02:34 PM.
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