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    This is a question i ask myself alot, is it the player doing well, or is it just the coaching staff and his system. I know theres a in between, but for the sake of arguement and this thread pick one.

    A few examples.

    Patriots Defense:
    Seem to let alot of free agents go, becasue they feel they can find another player and just plug him in.

    Denver RB's
    Shanahan is a mastermind, and he seems to find any RB and put him in.

    Some players that could jsut be good because of the system.
    Reggie Wayne
    Larry Johnson
    Steve Smith (Why i feel this way, mushin muhammed was the #1 wideout in carolina, then went on to chicago and hasnt put up the same numbers, i feel the number 1 wideout in carolinas Ofense would succeed no matter who it is)

    theres alot others, list some you think

  • #2
    What's the basis on LJ being a system back?
    Jamaal Charles is the best RB in the NFL

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    • #3
      no matter what pittsburgh always finds good-great LB's when they let them go.


      Silverback....still the best.

      +rep to Jakey for the sig

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ho0k Em' View Post
        What's the basis on LJ being a system back?
        um priest holmes, and they have one of the best O-Lines in the nfl, some of the wholes they open up are just ridiculous, you can drive a semi through it

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        • #5
          Talent is always more important that a system. Just look at Wade Phillips. He was inept running the 3-4 in Atlanta, but got to San Diego, who has the best personnel for a 3-4 in the league, and turned them into a monster unit.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DChess View Post
            um priest holmes, and they have one of the best O-Lines in the nfl, some of the wholes they open up are just ridiculous, you can drive a semi through it
            We had 2 above average lineman last year..Waters is one of the best OG's in the game, and Weigmann is a ver solid center though he's up there in age. Shields is barely average anymore, and the tackles are a mess. I don't know if we even had a top 12 line last year. LJ didn't have very many huge holes last year.
            Jamaal Charles is the best RB in the NFL

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            • #7
              Yeah, Kansas City's offensive line was adequate, and calling it that is being generous.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                Talent is always more important that a system. Just look at Wade Phillips. He was inept running the 3-4 in Atlanta, but got to San Diego, who has the best personnel for a 3-4 in the league, and turned them into a monster unit.
                I think you stole my argument from a similar thread last year.. LOL

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                • #9
                  When are non Chiefs fans going to understand our OL is not even close to being what it was two years ago?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DChess View Post
                    This is a question i ask myself alot, is it the player doing well, or is it just the coaching staff and his system. I know theres a in between, but for the sake of arguement and this thread pick one.

                    A few examples.

                    Patriots Defense:
                    Seem to let alot of free agents go, becasue they feel they can find another player and just plug him in.

                    Denver RB's
                    Shanahan is a mastermind, and he seems to find any RB and put him in.

                    Some players that could jsut be good because of the system.
                    Reggie Wayne
                    Larry Johnson
                    Steve Smith (Why i feel this way, mushin muhammed was the #1 wideout in carolina, then went on to chicago and hasnt put up the same numbers, i feel the number 1 wideout in carolinas Ofense would succeed no matter who it is)

                    theres alot others, list some you think

                    Reggie Wayne - The Colts tried a bunch of people at #2 WR unsuccessfully, until Wayne came along. Don't forget that Wayne was drafted in what was suppose to be a LOADED WR class. His scouting report said that he was the best route runner in that draft. He and Chad Johnson are by far the best of that class and they had a few WRs picked before them.

                    Larry Johnson - This guy is a great RB. His vision/size/quickness combination is one of the best in the NFL. He would succeed in any system.

                    Steve Smith - He too is great. Muhammed isn't a good example, as it's pretty hard for him to put up great numbers with Chicago's offense, which is run-oriented.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                      I think you stole my argument from a similar thread last year.. LOL
                      ;) Who hasn't stolen an argument from you?

                      Although, another example I guess I can make is Gruden in Oakland and in Tampa Bay.

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                      • #12
                        If you want an example of a system player, perhaps Demarcus Ware (along with a few other 3-4 OLBs).

                        A lot of 3-4 OLBs may only be able to play as situational pass-rushers in 4-3 system.

                        I'm not saying Ware would only be situational player in 4-3, he is a freakish athlete, but I do think he wouldn't be able to be as great.

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                        • #13
                          Some of those 3-4 OLB could be starting DE in the teams that run the tampa 2 defence.

                          And yes talent is still important, but talent that fits the system a teams running is just as important becuase you can probably find a cheaper player that fills a need with a middle or late round pick. And finding talent that fits the system thats being run seems to be a difficult task for some teams, and those teams are the ones that waste too much money on free agents.

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                          • #14
                            there are system players out there but coaches get to much credit sometimes.
                            Denver RB's
                            Shanahan is a mastermind, and he seems to find any RB and put him in.
                            hes a mastermind at finding talent. you just cant take any mook and make him a 1200 yard guy.

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                            • #15
                              Players, not plays.

                              If an offensive coordinator was given Barry Sanders in his early-prime, but Sanders didn't fit with his current offense... then that offensive coordinator would toss out his old offense and start from scratch.

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