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  • #16
    Originally posted by DChess View Post
    Steve Smith (Why i feel this way, mushin muhammed was the #1 wideout in carolina, then went on to chicago and hasnt put up the same numbers, i feel the number 1 wideout in carolinas Ofense would succeed no matter who it is)

    Well Mushin Muhummad and Steve Smith are in different categories. The offensive system was adjusted when Muhummad had to be the number one. Muhummad ran all of his routes from when he was the 2nd receiver and keary colbert ran steve smith's routes. When Smith came back and Muhummad Left Colbert shifted into Muhummads role.

    So it doesn't really fit. The only constant was Delhomme.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BlindSite View Post
      Well Mushin Muhummad and Steve Smith are in different categories. The offensive system was adjusted when Muhummad had to be the number one. Muhummad ran all of his routes from when he was the 2nd receiver and keary colbert ran steve smith's routes. When Smith came back and Muhummad Left Colbert shifted into Muhummads role.

      So it doesn't really fit. The only constant was Delhomme.
      And that fits with the complaint that Delhomme doesn't spread the ball around enough.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by JT Jag View Post
        Players, not plays.

        If an offensive coordinator was given Barry Sanders in his early-prime, but Sanders didn't fit with his current offense... then that offensive coordinator would toss out his old offense and start from scratch.
        Not in Jonathan Vilma's case. Was one of the best young defensive players in the NFL (and the clear-cut leader of the Jets D) as a relatively small MLB in the 4-3, and as we all know they switched to the 3-4 where he had a down year as a very undersized 3-4 ILB.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by KBear View Post
          Some of those 3-4 OLB could be starting DE in the teams that run the tampa 2 defence.
          Which goes to show that players with enough talent can be successful in multiple schemes.

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          • #20
            Every player is a product of the coaching and the system to a certain extent. However, it varies depending the player.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
              And that fits with the complaint that Delhomme doesn't spread the ball around enough.
              Which is pretty much bs.

              Look at 03 and 04. That only came in 05 when Colbert was injured and we had to throw to running backs. Then we bring in Johnson who had a nice season of 70 catches 800 yards and 4tds.

              The only time carolina's second receiver didn't go over 700 yards was in 05 when there were injuries. Delhomme spreads the ball around, the offensive philosophy was feed the studs which is why they got so much ball. Davidson will change things.

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              • #22
                One of the themes with the 3-4 defense "system players" you referred to is this: dominant trench players.

                The battles are won and lost in the trenches, and LBs are only as good as the trench players in front of them. Those trench players disrupt the play at the point of attack and allow LBs to make plays.

                Pittsburgh and NE are both able to stick players in at LB and have success because they have dominant players in the front 3. They both use the 2 gap technique, and both are able to maximize the performance of their LB core with excellent trench play.

                Look at Dallas. They have a better LB core than the Steelers, but theyre not as productive. Its because their trench players were not great. SD was great because of their front 3...Cleveland was average because of an abysmal front 3, despite having talent at the LB core. Its a recurring theme...win the battle in the trenches, and you can get away with lesser talent in the back 7. Thats the case with every defense in the league.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by yourfavestoner View Post
                  ;) Who hasn't stolen an argument from you?

                  Although, another example I guess I can make is Gruden in Oakland and in Tampa Bay.
                  What about Gruden...explain please?

                  I can't believe no one has mentioned Mike Furrey. He probably wouldn't even have made at least half of the NFL rosters last year, and then he catches almost 100 balls under Martz.

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