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  • #31
    For the Jets:

    Brad Smith WR
    -Talent, talent, and more talent. I hope now that he is actually getting the chance to be a true WR not Mangini's toy, he will prove how good he really is. He's had more than enough time to learn the position.

    Kellen Clemens QB
    -He was a 2nd round pick who has shown flashes but has lost the off season QB battle for the past 2 years. Now that Sanchez is here he needs to finally show that he is a NFL starting QB before Sanchez gets the chance to start. I've always said he has the potential, but he needs to start playing up to it.
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    • #32
      for the Lions it's everyone. I don't want to hear anything from any Lion who doesn't at least try

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Addict View Post
        for the Lions it's everyone. I don't want to hear anything from any Lion who doesn't at least try
        Even Calvin Johnson?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by whatadai View Post
          Even Calvin Johnson?
          Even Calvin Johnson. Don't run your mouth if you don't run your ass off first.

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          • #35
            I'll add Richard Seymour to the Pats list already covered by AntoinCD & ROP.

            He is in the last year of his contract and needs to show he can string together 2 full, healthy, solid seasons to even have a chance at a contract extension at the advanced age of 31 once we hit October.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Shahin View Post
              i think it's safe to say that Santonio has already put it up.
              Originally posted by terribletowel39 View Post
              I had to highlight over this post looking for a hidden 'just kidding'. I don't follow why you think Holmes has to put up or shut up. He is the 2nd biggest reason the Steelers won the Superbowl.

              I was trying to think of a guy, it would have to be a lineman, Stapleton or Kemoeatu with Urbik biting at their heels.
              I put Holmes because he hasn't lived up to his potential just yet. I want him to do good and be consistant a whole season, not just the post season where he started to come around. He had a major downgrade season this past season compared to his second season. I think he will have a great season this year, but he hasn't lived up to the expectations that he gave himself.


              Edit: I know I put season a lot in my post but too lazy to edit it.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by terribletowel39 View Post
                I had to highlight over this post looking for a hidden 'just kidding'. I don't follow why you think Holmes has to put up or shut up. He is the 2nd biggest reason the Steelers won the Superbowl.
                Uh, about that.

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                • #38
                  I agree with all the ones people have put down for the Pats, but I'm going to re-emphasize Laurence Maroney. He has all of the talent in the world and has shown some flashes, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy. Now he's saying things along the lines of "people are disrespecting me for saying I'm soft and injury prone." Well Laurence, put up our shut up. There is not many things I want to see more than Brady come back healthy and Maroney put it all together.

                  Ben Watson needs to learn how to catch. He, like Maroney, has all of the physical ability in the world but hasn't quite put it together. Watson is always on the field, is pretty durable, and has improved as a blocker though. I just want him to see him become the dynamic receiving threat he has the ability to be.

                  Koppen is a good one too because a lot of people put his name up there when talking about the game's best centers, but he looked awful at times last year. He got abused by NT's like Jamaal Williams and Casey Hampton, and that may not have been all his fault but he needs to step up this year. He had a great 2007 but definitely took a step back last year.

                  I'll agree with Seymour, although I think he will have a big year this season. He is in a contract year and when people talk about the prototypical 3-4 end his name is always mentioned. I want to see him stay healthy and be the game changing dominant force Pats fans know him as.

                  How about Pierre Woods? I know he is still young and was a UDFA, but BB has been raving about the kid's potential ever since he got here. We need one of our young pass rushers to step up and Woods definitely has the ability to do big things for us. If we stick with who we have right now at OLB and we don't get a big year from Woods, Crable, Redd, or Banta-Cain we could be in trouble especially if Adailus goes down.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by LizardState View Post
                    SF 49ers: Vernon Davis, TE He posted a blazing 40 time at his Combine that shot him up most teams draft lists & almost guaranteed his being a #1 pick. Injuries held him back earlier, then the turmoil in the front office that culminated in Nolan's firing on 10/21 of last yr, Singletary has stabilized this team now, so excuses have run out for this underachiever TE.
                    What are you talking about? He had 52 receptions in '07, and 31 last year, in an offense that doesn't utilize a TE. This year, he's in a offense that uses a TE more than most.

                    Originally posted by LizardState View Post
                    The much publicized public castigation from Singletary in a game when the HC had run out of patience with Davis' arrogant Me 1st attitude + the blown patterns & drops sent him to the bench but I don't think that's his next stop, that would be another team not named the 9ers
                    That was overblown by the media, any one who follows the Niners knows this. He had to make an example of someone, and he chose Vernon. Hell, even in this year in the off-season he's been one of Vernon's biggest proponents.

                    Originally posted by LizardState View Post
                    & they drafted Bear Pascoe last month. Pascoe is considered a "blocking TE" & they have Bajema for that too, but Pascoe has better hands than Davis all things considered, is a lot better blocker though considerably slower, & is a local Northern California guy from Fresno St. & a fan fave, so Davis is on notice to retain his job.
                    1) Bajema was let go, which is why they drafted Pascoe.
                    2) He is NOT a better blocker than Davis. In fact, Davis is one the best TEs in the league, with regards to blocking skills. He shut down Joey Porter in that Dolphins game, who only got to Hill at the end because Barry Sims is a worthless OT.
                    3) I would be shocked if they let Vernon walk when his contract runs out. When you've had as little QB stability as we've had, it's not a surprise to see people under-performing.

                    Originally posted by LizardState View Post
                    Maybe there's something in the Davis family DNA chromosomes that makes them disrespectful by nature & gives them instant attitude toward authority, his younger brother Vontae, the Illinois CB, acquired the bad reputation with the "uncoachable" tag hung on him after his Combine interviews.
                    When has any one ever questioned Davis' attitude? He's easily one of the hardest workers on the team and no one has complained about him being "uncoachable" since he was drafted. In fact, he has gone easy on the weights this off-season, and slimmed down, so he can be more fluid in his running.

                    I am not saying that Vernon is being given a free pass on this season, because he's definitely going to have to put up some stats, but you're portraying him far differently than the reality of his situation.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Sniper View Post
                      Uh, about that.
                      I don't follow....I'm thinking you think he is the sole biggest reason??

                      If thats the case, I think it goes: Ben, Holmes, Harrison. Just my opinion, I can definitely see why Holmes would be #1 reason in some minds.


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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by terribletowel39 View Post
                        I don't follow....I'm thinking you think he is the sole biggest reason??

                        If thats the case, I think it goes: Ben, Holmes, Harrison. Just my opinion, I can definitely see why Holmes would be #1 reason in some minds.
                        1. Harrison
                        2. Ben
                        3. Woodley (2 sacks, 1 pass breakup, clipped the **** out of some guy on Harrison's TD. Not legal, but Harrison doesn't score without it. ;))

                        Sue me. I'm a LaMarr homer.

                        As good as Holmes' catch was on the GW TD, Roethlisberger's throw was better.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Brent View Post
                          What are you talking about? He had 52 receptions in '07, and 31 last year, in an offense that doesn't utilize a TE. This year, he's in a offense that uses a TE more than most.


                          That was overblown by the media, any one who follows the Niners knows this. He had to make an example of someone, and he chose Vernon. Hell, even in this year in the off-season he's been one of Vernon's biggest proponents.


                          1) Bajema was let go, which is why they drafted Pascoe.
                          2) He is NOT a better blocker than Davis. In fact, Davis is one the best TEs in the league, with regards to blocking skills. He shut down Joey Porter in that Dolphins game, who only got to Hill at the end because Barry Sims is a worthless OT.
                          3) I would be shocked if they let Vernon walk when his contract runs out. When you've had as little QB stability as we've had, it's not a surprise to see people under-performing.


                          When has any one ever questioned Davis' attitude? He's easily one of the hardest workers on the team and no one has complained about him being "uncoachable" since he was drafted. In fact, he has gone easy on the weights this off-season, and slimmed down, so he can be more fluid in his running.

                          I am not saying that Vernon is being given a free pass on this season, because he's definitely going to have to put up some stats, but you're portraying him far differently than the reality of his situation.
                          Exactly, Brent! Davis is a Singletary favorite and one of the team leaders. The addition of Bear Pascoe as a blocking specialist allows for Davis to be utilized in an aggressive fashion this season. Davis was only targeted as a receiver about 45 times last season and spent 80+% of the time staying in to block in Martz's deep-drop offensive scheme. New OC Jimmy Raye used Tony Gonzalez beautifully without any other targets on the field and Elvis Grbac throwing him the ball. He will find a way to garner as much production as possible out of Davis. I would still include him on my list because he has, indeed, failed to live up to hype. Unfortunately, he hasn't been given the best of circumstances to do much. He has done quite alot with as few balls as he's been thrown in his young career, but he does need to step up and be a bigger piece of the offensive puzzle.

                          Other 49ers I would include...

                          Manny Lawson - OLB - The experimentation and puzzling utilization Mike Nolan employed of Lawson is gone. Coach Greg Manusky promises to allow Lawson to be a 3-down SAM and let him put his hand on the ground, pin his ears back, and rush the passer. If he doesn't take advantage of that opportunity, he will lose his job.

                          Dashon Goldson - FS - The converted college CB has shown explosive playmaking ability the last few training camps and a ball-hawking FS is something the 49ers have a grave need for. Unfortunately, Goldson has been injury prone an unable to see the field enough to transplant the aging, no-impact Mark Roman. Roman has already been stripped of his role as starting FS and the keys have been handed to Goldson. I expect great things from him if he stays healthy. Sadly, that's a bigger "if" than I'd like.
                          Last edited by phlysac; 05-27-2009, 05:15 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Ernest Wilford- The guy was suppose to come in and be our redzone target and a possession guy for us but all he did was stay on the bench or on the inactive list the whole season. Always was getting out performed by the other WR's on the team. Now the coaches are having him work at the TE position some to see if he can add some value there.

                            Jason Allen- Has all the athletic ability in the world, but he just never seems to get it. Just when you think that little light bulb is finally on, it goes back off.

                            Paul Soliai- He's an athletic guy for his size and showed some power late last year. He's a guy who never seems like he wants it. Was suspended twice last year but he did rebound late in the season and played decent. Sparano was even impressed with him in the playoff game against the Ravens. Then this offseason he came in overweight.

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                            • #44
                              I think Jamal Anderson should have a good chance start living up to his potential, if he doesn't he'll no longer be a falcon in a year and I wonder if the giants might not sign him to see if our DEs and DL coach can't get him to tap into that potential.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by *** Ork Wang View Post
                                for the bears id say Mark Anderson
                                Definitely.

                                Also Nathan Vasher has been pretty publicly called out by the organization about his decline in play since he signed his contract and I would expect him to be cut if he doesn't bounce back.

                                Tommie Harris is in no danger of being cut anytime soon but I think the Bears are expecting big things out of him this year with Marinelli coaching him up. If he can't stay healthy or productive, I'd have to imagine Jarron Gilbert and Marcus Harrison start getting more attention.

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