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  • #31
    Originally posted by *** Ork Wang View Post
    ummm Culpepper was damn good in the late 90s
    No he wasn't. He always sucked. He's a good example of how fantasy football has polluted our minds of what makes a good player. Just because you put up good stats for 3 seasons or so doesn't mean you were ever a good quarterback.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ChezPower4 View Post
      Don Hutson is the second best WR of all-time.
      Huston is the reason why I specified that no WR "in the modern era" has impacted defenses like Moss did.

      You're right, Huston was amazing, and is the reason why zone defense exists today.

      Its just hard for me to compare him to Moss because the game was so different.

      For argument sake though, I will cede Randy Moss as the #2 guy and give it to Huston. Hes just proven more at this point.

      I think Moss will eventually be #2 though, he should surpass Huston by the end of his career.

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      • #33
        Ease up there, BBD. Moss played with a QB.

        Cunningham, at the end of his career, still had the arm that suited Moss' speed. Culpepper. Collins for one year in Oakland, the mess that that was/is.

        Not a great QB, like you say, but he did play with a QB and for more than one year.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by *** Ork Wang View Post
          ummm Culpepper was damn good in the late 90s
          Culpepper didn't throw a single pass in the 90s. The time frame you're looking for is 2000-2004.

          Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
          No he wasn't. He always sucked. He's a good example of how fantasy football has polluted our minds of what makes a good player. Just because you put up good stats for 3 seasons or so doesn't mean you were ever a good quarterback.
          Say what you want about Culpepper as an overall QB, but he was damn good at getting the ball to Moss. Randy Moss did not suffer because Culpepper was the QB. They were a great fit for each other and your statement about his QB play is quite ridiculous. Besides his Oakland years he has been set up very nicely with QBs his whole career. It's not Montana/Young/Gannon like Jerry Rice had, but it's far from bad.

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          • #35
            ah yea, got that mixed up after i watched that "Top Ten WR Corps: 98 Vikings" video

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            • #36
              I really like the article. Most influential is over the top, but almost every QB Randy Moss has had has been successful and many have gone on to not be so good afterwards. Pairing him with an actual Pro Bowl QB in Tom Brady had Moss set records. Yes, he is that good.


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              • #37
                Most influential player ever? Definatly Not... One of the most influential modern era players? I'd say yes.

                The two most prolific offenses in the history of the NFL have one thing in common, thats Randy Moss. I personally don't think thats just a coincidence.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                  No he wasn't. He always sucked. He's a good example of how fantasy football has polluted our minds of what makes a good player. Just because you put up good stats for 3 seasons or so doesn't mean you were ever a good quarterback.
                  Then what was Culpepper at the time? Because he certainly wasn't terrible.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by bigbluedefense View Post
                    No he wasn't. He always sucked. He's a good example of how fantasy football has polluted our minds of what makes a good player. Just because you put up good stats for 3 seasons or so doesn't mean you were ever a good quarterback.
                    I'm sorry. I'll buy that Culpepper has always been turnover prone, that he fumbles way more than any quarterback should, and that he's been, at best, completely streaky during his career. But he certainly has not "always sucked". His 2004 season profiled, at the time, as one of the 10 best seasons a quarterback has ever had in terms of regular season production.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Ness View Post
                      Then what was Culpepper at the time? Because he certainly wasn't terrible.


                      I think he was pretty good at one time. ^^^

                      Though Culpepper has never been very good at reading defenses. His first read is always deep and he struggles to make the efficient throws to move the chains. That's why he was so good with Moss because Moss allowed the bomb to come back to the NFL. Culpepper then sucked in Miami and Oakland with no real deep threat but when he got to Detroit his play improved when he got Calvin. Now obviously talented WR's help QB's but not all are some dependent on having that big play WR. Cassell's main guy was Welker even though he had Moss. Romo liked to throw to Witten even though he had TO and Rivers prefers Gates to Vincent Jackson. Culpepper never really relied on a solid, possession WR and has always been all about the deep ball which has limited his success as an NFL QB.

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                      • #41
                        Moss will be a hall of famer. I don't care what anyone else says. He was part of an offense that broke records that were never meant to be broken. I think the Vikings are ******** for ever trading him. Because what they got in return was Troy Williamson and Napolean Harris. It was just a fail. I don't think he is the most influential, but for his time, he is definately the most inspirational. He is a hell of an athlete. And any kid that wants to succeed at WR after high school should look up to Randy.

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                        • #42
                          I have to question if Whitlock watched football in the 80s. Lawrence Taylor is IMO easily the most influential player of the modern era. His impact is still felt today in the contracts of elite pass rushers and elite pass protectors. He pretty much gave life to the rushbacker position and forced teams to invest heavily into protecting their QB's blind side. When Randy Moss makes safety one of the highest paid positions in the NFL, we can start talking about whether or not he's on the same level as LT. As for "most influential football player ever", I think that's next to impossible to define because of all the early evolution of the game and player/coach/owners and such in the early days.


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                          • #43
                            As someone who has watched every Vikings game for as long as I can remember and now can't stand Culpepper, I can admit that he was a damn good quarterback for a stretch of a couple seasons. And Moss wasn't the only reason. In 2004 which was Daunte's best season ever by far Moss was hindered by injuries all year and didn't even reach 1,000 yards.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by vikes_29 View Post
                              Moss will be a hall of famer. I don't care what anyone else says.
                              Where the hell did that come from? No ever said that Moss wont be in the HOF.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by WinslowBodden View Post
                                Most influential? No... Possibly the best receiver ever? Maybe.
                                I just threw up a little in my mouth. He's awesome, but he's not Jerry Rice. At least not yet.

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