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  • #46
    It's kind of hard to put other players in Jay's situation in Denver because this has never happened. No team has attempted to trade their franchise QB behind his back before from what I can remember. But do you think Rivers would handle this properly if the Chargers brought in a new coach that tried to trade him right off the bat? Or how about if Atlanta discussed trading Matt Ryan?

    This never happens in the NFL. Jay is a very outspoken person and it probably added to the situation, but at the same token put yourself in his position. If a new coach tried to trade you behind your back and then lied to you about it, how would you react?


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    Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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    • #47
      It's a business, not personal. Cutler took it personally, like he does with everything; if he had treated it like business he would still be a Denver Bronco. McDaniels doesnt owe it to Cutler to be completely honest, he's the boss.
      aka KGB Chicken

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      • #48
        Buisness wise, it is better to change a team and have job security than dont

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        • #49
          Originally posted by *** Ork Wang View Post
          Buisness wise, it is better to change a team and have job security than dont
          There isn't any job security in the NFL.
          aka KGB Chicken

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          • #50
            Originally posted by San Diego Chicken View Post
            There isn't any job security in the NFL.
            yes, but neither is there anywhere. But id rather be a QB in a place that commits to me until i play horribly than a place where they want to trade me after i went to the pro bowl and carried the team

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            • #51
              Jay Cutler is a *****.

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              • #52
                Aaron Rodgers > Jay Cutler + Phillip Rivers

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
                  He didn't go out of his way in saying that he would give input to the coaches about the WR's, he was asked a question and responded. If the coaches don't ask Jay what he likes and doesn't like there is a problem. He's a new QB in a new system with new receivers. You have to see Jay's comfort level throwing to these guys. Again if you read the interview transcript he also said that he and Turner have been on the same page this entire offseason on what they'd like to do, but Jay also stated that he thinks he should have input on these WR's because he's the one that is throwing to them on Sunday's. If he doesn't feel comfortable with one of the guys out there then he should say something, it's called feedback.

                  Secondly, McDaniels was the one that decided to open up trade conversations about Matt Cassel and then proceeded to lie to Jay when he confronted him about the trade. No coach in their right mind considers trading their All-Pro QB for a guy who still is unproven at the NFL level, regardless if he is the "better fit for the system." McDaniels was ******* stupid for considering this trade and it back fired on him. Jay lost trust in his coach and wanted out. Did Jay jump the gun? Sure he did, I think he could have cooled off for a couple weeks and maybe this thing blows over, but Jay believed that he was lied to by the coach and since he didn't trust him he asked for a trade. Denver had their franchise QB in place, I don't see why McDaniels felt the need to weigh other opportunities for the position. Matt Cassel may be a good QB down the road but Jay Cutler is one of the best young QB's in the game. He was the face of the franchise and he had solidified the most important position in football for a very good organization. No team in their right mind tries even considers trading that type of player for a player like Matt Cassel. McDaniels didn't even both seeing what Cutler could do in his system before doing this.

                  I think all Jay was asking for was honesty from the Head Coach and he felt that he couldn't even get that from him, which is why he asked for the trade.

                  I really could care less what you think of Cutler. Love him, hate him it doesn't really matter. But this story was a complete non-issue and you decided to bring up the fact that he thinks he's basically bigger than the team, which is completely untrue. Jay was asked a question and he answered it. I can guarantee you that he's not the only one who would say that he would like to have input on what WR's should be higher on the depth chart. Ask the Bear coaches and players what they think of him and you'll hear very good things so far about how he's been "just another guy." The coaches have raved about his leadership and work ethic so far. I know some will say that this is just an act and if things get bad he's going to turn 180 degrees but until that happens, why even make this story relevant? It's like people are trying to find things he says to bring him down because they don't like him.

                  Ugh really just do not feel like continuing down this road. Ultimately I think everyone is a little overreactive when it comes to Cutler...either not liking him for his off the field BS or being overly defensive and coming to his rescue. Let's just watch football.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by sweetness34 View Post
                    I find it funny you attack Jay on this when you probably have the biggest douche in the league under center as your QB.
                    Unlike Cutler, Rivers actually doesn't grab his crotch in front of a stadium when his team is losing. He's actually busy trying to help his teammate win unlike Jeff George Dos.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by The Great Jonathan Vilma View Post
                      ....someone doesn't like Cutler

                      Jay didn't want to play in Denver. That is his call. They are his emotions and his thoughts. The coach was a D-bag to him. The organization made it a public match. Jay simply didn't want to play for that coach. It wasn't a 'meltdown' unless you look at it from the Denver perspective. Jay was strong with his intentions and got out of that crap situation. Why doesn't he have a right to do that? Odds are there were things done to lead to that situation, and they aren't all on Jay.

                      Get some perspective? You don't think QBs get input on teams? I'm talking those QBs who are set on their teams, not someone in a battle or in question. This is something that is obvious. Read his quote - "I think they're definitely going to ask me. If they don't ask me, I'm going to tell them what I think because I've got to be the one throwing to them on game day, and I've got to trust them." I don't see what is wrong with this. He THINKS they are going to ask him. If not, he's going to provide his input, they can choose to take it or leave it. He is leading this offense, and he has stake in it too.

                      Not a shot or anything, but maybe you are the one who needs some perspective.
                      http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/...et-traded.html

                      "I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler told Fox Sports. "I didn't want to get traded. This wasn't me. They had been going back and forth saying things, wanting me to be their quarterback and then they didn't."

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by bearsfan_51 View Post
                        What's up with Chargers fans being so negative? Seriously. You live in the nicest city in America and your team has been a winner for the past 5-6 seasons. Go to the beach and chill out. I'd understand if you were from Detroit.
                        I call like it like I see it. And I've been on his case ever since that incident in SD in 2007. As a SD fan, I'm actually upset that Mr. Choker is gone.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by CC.SD View Post
                          Ugh really just do not feel like continuing down this road. Ultimately I think everyone is a little overreactive when it comes to Cutler...either not liking him for his off the field BS or being overly defensive and coming to his rescue. Let's just watch football.
                          The problem is, there is a lot of posturing and hypocrisy coming from the Cutler supporters.

                          They say he had a right to pout because McDaniels wasn't up front with him, or didn't like him, whatever. That a player needs to feel he can trust the coach. He wants job security.

                          Well, does anyone even remember how Cutler arrived in Denver? Shanahan moved up in the draft, months after Jake Plummer took them to the AFCCG, and subsequently replaced him after Thanksgiving of that season. The Broncos were 7-4 or 7-5 (can't remember) and still had a chance to make the playoffs.

                          Couldn't Plummer have reacted in the same way after they drafted Cutler? Couldn't he have skipped OTA's, ignored his bosses phone calls, and demanded a trade?

                          I can predict what the response from the other side would be. "BUT CUTLER IS SOOOO SO MUCH BETTER THAN PLUMMER!! HE WAS A PRO BOWLER LAST YEAR!"

                          Guess what, Plummer was also coming off of a Pro Bowl season. And three straight playoff appearances.

                          Mike Shanahan simply hated Jake Plummer, and Jake dealt with it, giving that man the last glimmer of success he'll ever taste in the NFL.
                          Last edited by San Diego Chicken; 08-14-2009, 04:25 PM.
                          aka KGB Chicken

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Shiver View Post
                            Jay Cutler is a *****.
                            Matt Ryan waxes his eyebrows.


                            Nobody cares about your stupid fantasy team.

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                            • #59
                              McDaniels doesn't owe it to his franchise QB to be completely honest? Are you ******* kidding me? If you want to keep your job in the NFL you have to be honest with your players to keep their trust. Everyone else (the media, fans, etc) doesn't really matter, but lying to your players is going to get you in hot water very quickly because in the end, it's how the players perform on the field that determines whether you keep your job.


                              Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

                              Originally posted by JBCX
                              Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Xenos View Post
                                Unlike Cutler, Rivers actually doesn't grab his crotch in front of a stadium when his team is losing. He's actually busy trying to help his teammate win unlike Jeff George Dos.
                                You either love Jay or you hate him but Rivers is just as much of a douche as Cutler is. Those two are outside of Favre probably the most disliked Quarterbacks in the league.

                                It also helps when you have LT/Turner running the rock and a beastly defense to rely on as well, although Rivers is a helluva QB.

                                This was much ado about nothing. He's cocky and says whatever is on his mind, this isn't a surprise to anyone. When something he says is actually relevant to him being a douche then fine but any good QB is going to give feedback to his coaches, especially one that is with a new team in which the WR's have been questioned.


                                Another sig courtesy of BoneKrusher

                                Originally posted by JBCX
                                Despite looking better against an underachieving Eagles team, I still think the Bears are one of the worst teams in the NFL. I smell a blowout victory by the Lions this week and a division sweep.

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